On 3/26/2025 at 11:09 AM, AgMech Cowboy said:

Looks like a boy with long hair to me. His face is very male..ish. 

Obviously, he's a man.

On 3/26/2025 at 11:39 AM, jvs said:

Plus he is receiving a lot of tax payers money in subsidies !

Have a look at the fraud there!

 

Which fraud?  Specifically.

 

His companies' subsidies, almost all under Biden and all legitimate, have never been described as fraudulent.

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What do you mean and? 

I mean and what has that got to do with anything I wrote about his company paying nothing in federal income tax and him being on the inside in a position to manipulate government contracts, him firing all FDA staff reviewing Neuralink products and also firing inspectors general that are investigating his companies, all in the name of "DOGE".

I originally responded to someone who said the meme that Tesla paid zero in federal income tax can't be true. It IS true.

I really don't want to repost my last two posts. Nothing to do with his personal income tax.

And anyway, he only paid the $11b in taxes due exercising stock options that were going to expire in 2022 as he had absolutely no other choice. I can't find anything about his personal taxes since then. Can you? And if you look prior to 2021 it doesn't make good reading either.

Hypocrite. A fox in the hen house.

24 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

His "dark side"?  Where has that been documented and what could you ever know about it?

What I personally could know about it? 😳

29 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Huh?  One did, thirteen didn't.

And? What does that mean??? Nothing😂

On 3/26/2025 at 12:07 PM, thesetat said:

look at what happened though.. Trump got to be President making his son famous. He was not so extravagant prior to this. It is my thinking that publicity towards his gay side has created a monster and is encouraging him more to act out. 

Whose "gay side" (whatever that is)?   Are you suggesting that normal people have a homosexual side?

Loads of closed gay's here I see.

9 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

39 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Huh?  One did, thirteen didn't.

And? What does that mean??? Nothing😂

It means a lot more than your statement to which that was my response!

11 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

37 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

His "dark side"?  Where has that been documented and what could you ever know about it?

What I personally could know about it? 😳

Yes, what you could ever know about it, i.e. bugger all.

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Yes, what you could ever know about it, i.e. bugger all.

Look, there are a handful of very strange members on AN with very strange behaviour and very strange questions.

I'm not willing to go the path with them.

You'll like it or not. I don't care.

Good day.

57 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

I mean and what has that got to do with anything I wrote about his company paying nothing in federal income tax and him being on the inside in a position to manipulate government contracts, him firing all FDA staff reviewing Neuralink products and also firing inspectors general that are investigating his companies, all in the name of "DOGE".

I originally responded to someone who said the meme that Tesla paid zero in federal income tax can't be true. It IS true.

I really don't want to repost my last two posts. Nothing to do with his personal income tax.

And anyway, he only paid the $11b in taxes due exercising stock options that were going to expire in 2022 as he had absolutely no other choice. I can't find anything about his personal taxes since then. Can you? And if you look prior to 2021 it doesn't make good reading either.

Hypocrite. A fox in the hen house.

And the fact is he paid......$11 billion in Federal taxes. What difference does it make that it was because of stock options? Guess that meme of Tesla paying zero would lose its impact then eh?

 

On 3/25/2025 at 10:35 PM, newbee2022 said:

Well, you don't know his dark side. She does 

compared to what?

a lot of people have bums as dads. 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

And the fact is he paid......$11 billion in Federal taxes. What difference does it make that it was because of stock options? Guess that meme of Tesla paying zero would lose its impact then eh?

 

Wow, you don't get it. It doesn't matter what he paid in personal tax in a single year. The only year he has declared them was the year he paid $11b (or he said he paid $11b). This was because he had to exercise those stock options and pay tax or he would have lost them completely. He took the lesser of two evils.

Why won't he declare what he paid after 2021? Or before? He cherry picked that year because that year he had no choice but to stump up.

But the conversation is about Tesla who paid NOTHING in 2022 and 2024, and an average corporate tax rate of 0.4% over the three years. He's a patriot right? And so are you? What do you think about this man's company paying nothing and avoiding contributing to the American government which has now given him free access to manipulate investigations into his businesses and to gain an unfair advantage over competitors? You seem to keep missing out responding to that for some reason.

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Wow, you don't get it. It doesn't matter what he paid in personal tax in a single year. The only year he has declared them was the year he paid $11b (or he said he paid $11b). This was because he had to exercise those stock options and pay tax or he would have lost them completely. He took the lesser of two evils.

Why won't he declare what he paid after 2021? Or before? He cherry picked that year because that year he had no choice but to stump up.

But the conversation is about Tesla who paid NOTHING in 2022 and 2024, and an average corporate tax rate of 0.4% over the three years. He's a patriot right? And so are you? What do you think about this man's company paying nothing and avoiding contributing to the American government which has now given him free access to manipulate investigations into his businesses and to gain an unfair advantage over competitors? You seem to keep missing out responding to that for some reason.

No I got it. I read the link before I posted it and I made it really simple for you to........ 😴

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

And the fact is he paid......$11 billion in Federal taxes. What difference does it make that it was because of stock options? Guess that meme of Tesla paying zero would lose its impact then eh?

 

 

If Elon had not supported Trump, this story would never have been printed/published...nor would it be a post on this forum.

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No I got it. I read the link and I made it really simple for you to........ 😴

 

Ok, so you have no answer.

Boring.

3 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Ok, so you have no answer.

Boring.

I have the facts and now you're bored.....😀

14 hours ago, madone said:

You clearly value virtue-signaling and demonstrating your moral superiority more than education and making positive change.  

Well said. Too many supporters of the woke narrative respond to valid criticism with abuse and anger, which is why many of us don't consider them to be serious.

 

If they presented their viewpoint in a calm and rational manner they would get a better hearing than by insults.

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I have the facts and now you're bored.....😀

The fact that Tesla paid zero corporate income tax in 2022 and 2024, and an average of 0.4% over the three years. Those are the facts, thank you.

Just now, josephbloggs said:

The fact that Tesla paid zero corporate income tax in 2022 and 2024, and an average of 0.4% over the three years. Those are the facts, thank you.

I know  but of course the other facts are 

 

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

And the fact is he paid......$11 billion in Federal taxes. What difference does it make that it was because of stock options? Guess that meme of Tesla paying zero would lose its impact then eh?

 

 

On 3/26/2025 at 9:09 AM, seajae said:

hahahahaha, someone with a mental problem is trying to make BS statements to get ther 15 minutes of fame, shows how pathetic trans people really are, they suffer severe  mental delusions and try to push their lies etc on to everyone else, what a joke

Probably more so that she hates the guy with the fire of a thousand suns. He is kind of a priick. As a kid of Elon, she’s got an excuse for being mentally unbalanced—what’s the average ASEAN NOW user’s excuse?

13 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

You're missing the point, probably deliberately, as the cultists only believe in Elon. It is nothing to do with what other rich people do as they are outside of the government.

Musk is there, allegedly, to cut down on government wastage, reduce the deficit, reduce corruption blah blah. Yet his companies get awarded massive government contracts, they receive huge tax breaks and government support, he has many cases against his companies in the courts - he has fired all FDA staff reviewing Neuralink products and also inspectors general that are investigating his companies.

Do you really not see the contradiction or conflict of interest here?

It is not about little rich people fuzzily avoiding taxes, this is far deeper and more corrupt, and only the most blinkered cultists are unwilling see this. I just don't get it.

A rather fascinating phenomena is taking place right now. I'm a lifelong Democrat and during the 20 years of the Clinton, Obama and Biden Administrations I was openly critical of a multitude of their policies.

 

Right now that does not seem to be possible with the average Republican, criticism is out the window, total support, absolute fealty, and complete obedience to the most ridiculous policies imaginable are now the M.O. for the average Trump supporter.

 

It is a spectacularly pathetic thing to witness and it's downright embarrassing as an American. 

12 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He does not have a boss.

Well if you're insinuating the Elon is Trump's boss, you very well might be correct. 

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

A rather fascinating phenomena is taking place right now. I'm a lifelong Democrat and during the 20 years of the Clinton, Obama and Biden Administrations I was openly critical of a multitude of their policies.

 

Right now that does not seem to be possible with the average Republican, criticism is out the window, total support, absolute fealty, and complete obedience to the most ridiculous policies imaginable are now the M.O. for the average Trump supporter.

 

It is a spectacularly pathetic thing to witness and it's downright embarrassing as an American. 

Pretty sure this topic is about Musk........looks like you have Trump implanted in every thought

On 3/26/2025 at 9:37 AM, Thingamabob said:

Well, your sense of moral superiority is quite something to behold. Fact is, love him or loathe him, Musk has already achieved more in life than most of us could ever hope for. I'll give him credit for that.

He pretends to be a free speech guy but in reality, he wants to promote racism. He doesn't like free speech when he doesn't like the subject: Musk 'Pressured' Reddit CEO to Silence DOGE Critics, Leaving Moderators Outraged: Report

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

14 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He does not have a boss.

Well if you're insinuating the Elon is Trump's boss, you very well might be correct.

No, I was not insinuating that, I was stating a categorical fact the Musk does not have a boss.  You appear to be insinuating that Trump is Musk's boss, he isn't, Trump has not employed Musk.

On 3/26/2025 at 7:09 AM, Social Media said:

 

Vivian Jenna Wilson has once again taken aim at her father, Elon Musk, in a scathing public critique, calling the billionaire a “pathetic man-child” in a recent Teen Vogue interview

The only "pathetic man-child" is, actually, the one shown in the photo.    Almost as pathetic as those who lamely use the phrase "man-child" when trying to denigrate others as though it is a clever characterisation.

On 3/26/2025 at 11:52 PM, Packer said:

 

You kick him in the groin and he's okay?

 

 

You eat her out and she gives you a facial? 

My kinda movie...

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well said. Too many supporters of the woke narrative respond to valid criticism with abuse and anger, which is why many of us don't consider them to be serious.

 

If they presented their viewpoint in a calm and rational manner they would get a better hearing than by insults.

The reason they do that is because they know that in reality their views and arguments, even 'evidence' are flawed, as well that it is simply a fact that we talk about a super tiny minority of the population of which the majority has mental issues.

 

If it was any different, even remotely close, the world would never had to prove or deal with anything in the first place. It would been normal, it is not. The only solution is then by being very aggressive and using some specific random half baked science evidence, without context. More or less similar to how they proved covid was a real threat.

On 3/27/2025 at 8:11 PM, Bkk Brian said:

While Tesla paid no taxes Elon Musk paid $11 billion federal tax bill.

 

The only reason that happened is because Musk had no way to wriggle out of paying that bill. Essentially in 2012 he was granted stock options that had a 10 year life span. I guess he could  have waited another year, but how to tell how the stock would be doing then? So he cashed out and paid the tax.

https://inequality.org/article/a-perfect-storm-has-elon-musk-paying-11-billion-in-tax/