Why are Trump supporters so unwilling to criticize even some of his policies?

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2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/president-biden-says-hell-shut-the-u-s-mexico-border-if-given-the-ability-what-does-that-mean

 

 

Biden was referring to a deal that he had negotiated with the Republicans in Congress that would have given him the authority.

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3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I did think that it was rather inappropriate when he mocked Zelensky's choice of attire 

Thanks for reinforcing my point.

[Mike_Hunt]

10 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Your point?

 

The OP claims that Fox News brainwashes Trump voters.  If you assume all viewers of Fox News vote for Trump, only 3.88% of Trump voters watch Fox News. 

[Mike_Hunt]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Biden was referring to a deal that he had negotiated with the Republicans in Congress that would have given him the authority.

 

Yet, he took action in June due to his falling poll numbers.

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Just now, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Yet, he took action in June due to his falling poll numbers.

Actually, you're forgetting that it was the Mexican government that was really responsible for the massive slowdown in immigration. And still is.

[worgeordie]

13 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Really?   FoxNews has 3 million viewers, and 77,284,118 peopled voted for Trump.

 

Knowing this info. Does your post make sense? 

Many of the voters are regretting voting for him now ,the die hard

Magas will continue to believe his B/s ,and continue to be scammed

by him ,many people have lost everything due to his cons , the Crypto

as a good example ...

 

regards Worgeordie  

[Mike_Hunt]

9 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Many of the voters are regretting voting for him now ,the die hard

Magas will continue to believe his B/s ,and continue to be scammed

by him ,many people have lost everything due to his cons , the Crypto

as a good example ...

 

regards Worgeordie  

You said they were all brain washed by FoxNews.  You where wrong? 

[Mike_Hunt]

11 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, you're forgetting that it was the Mexican government that was really responsible for the massive slowdown in immigration. And still is.

You are in spin cycle. 

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

The OP claims that Fox News brainwashes Trump voters.  If you assume all viewers of Fox News vote for Trump, only 3.88% of Trump voters watch Fox News. 

Lol, that's not how the viewer numbers work.

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Just now, Mike_Hunt said:

You are in spin cycle. 

The military's involvement came into full force in 2023, with nearly 15,000 federal and state forces deployed at 301 checkpoints along Mexico's southern and northern borders, according to government data...

Migrant caravans leaving from Mexico's southern border, which usually gather hundreds of people travelling by foot to the U.S. border, are being disbanded by Mexican officials.

From January to August 2024, migration authorities intercepted more than 950,000 undocumented migrants in the country, 132% more than in the same period the previous year.

This was the highest number of encounters recorded in 10 years, according to Context analysis of government data.

https://www.context.news/money-power-people/whats-mexico-doing-to-stop-migration-to-the-us

[Terrance8812]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I am a lifelong Democrat and during the 20 years that Clinton, Obama, and Biden were in office I regularly criticized some of their policies that I did not agree with. We are never going to agree with everything that a president does. Having said that I am wondering why Republicans are so unwilling to criticize anything that Trump does.

 

It seems like the even the most ignorant things that he does are not open to criticism from his supporters. I hear a few people here and there saying they're unhappy about this they're unhappy about that, but it appears to be very tiny numbers of people. 

 

Where is the courage in that? How does independent thinking come into an equation where no criticism seems to be acceptable? 

 

I understand his administration members lying over things like classified information to try to cover him, but I don't understand his supporters accepting the mistakes that he's making, and they appear to be quite numerous, to a reasonable mind. 

 

 

I like your question because, for a long time, I had wondered the exact same thing myself but never made a post about it because I wouldn’t expect to get a useful answer from any of the Trump diehards. So I didn't see any point in asking. 

 

Like you, I have always remained objective, even when I supported a particular political candidate or leader in the past. So it was very hard for me to understand why, in Trump’s case, nobody who favors him can ever find any fault with anything he does. But if you look at it more closely, it starts to make a lot of sense why this happens to be the case.

 

1. They are not political supporters. They are cult followers: There is a distinct difference between the two. A supporter can back a politician while still remaining objective and holding them accountable for their faults and mistakes. A cult follower, on the other hand, will defend their leader without question, even at their own expense, and to the point of personal demise.

 

2. They believe everything he says, even when it’s a lie: Since 90% of what he says is false, they are simply following the lies. This is why they cannot find any fault in anything he says or does because they only accept the narratives that he provides to them as the truth. Thus, they are buying into a version of something that does not represent reality. If they see a picture of the smallest crowd in history, but he tells them it is the biggest, they believe it without question. And why? Because of reason number one above.

 

3. Many of them have no real connection to American life or its consequences: The majority of the cult followers on this forum are a unique bunch of Trumpians. At least two-thirds are not even Americans, so they do not fully understand what it is like to be one. Many of them had never even heard Trump’s name before he ran for president, so they have no personal knowledge of his history or how his family's criminal enterprise destroyed the lives of poor people in New York over the three decades prior to 1990 in order to build their wealth.

As for the one-third who are American, many of them are likely living in Thailand, where his economic, foreign, and social policies have no immediate effect on them. In short, nearly all the Trump cult followers here have no real skin in the game. That allows them the luxury to idolize an image of an orange person in a far-off white castle, one they wish were real, one they wish represented a world they would want to live in, and without facing any consequences of that fairy tale being fake. This puts nearly all of them in a unique position.

 

If you read what most of his diehard cult followers write in support of him, the majority speak in off-topic subjects, deflect from the truth, provide no evidence for their claims, and merely repeat the same mantras and lies he throws out over and over. To me, this demonstrates a complete lack of independent thinking and, in many cases, an inability to even distinguish fact from fiction.

 

In real life, these are not the types of people I would ever spend my time with, so it took me a long time to understand how this phenomenon even exists. I don’t come across these types of people in my everyday life. But reading what they write on this forum has taught me a lot. It was difficult to comprehend at first, but it has been very eye-opening. I think if one applies the three reasons I listed above, the whole situation then becomes much easier to comprehend.

 

Even when reading topics from them unrelated to politics on this forum, I have noticed that their perspectives and viewpoints often follow the same sort of irrational patterns. 
 

So it's a sad, but real situation that one must accept, which means if you expect to ever get a reasonable or sensible reply from any of them when discussing politics then you, as I have, will find it nearly impossible. 

[connda]

I support some of Trump's policies.
I don't support some of Trump's policies.

So - does that make me a "Trump supporter?" 

Personally I don't understand ideologues.  I assume you were a "Biden supporter."  So did you support all of Biden's policies?  My guess?  Probably not.  However, ideologues tend to see the world in binaries: black and white; good and bad; left or right.  Which is too bad because the world isn't binary - but - some people are.

A Trump ideologue would support all of Trump's policies.

A Biden ideologue would support all of Biden's policies.
A Republican ideologue would support all Republican policies.
A Democrat ideologue would support all Democrat policies.

In my humble opinion: Ideologues are a danger to a functioning society. All of them.

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9 minutes ago, connda said:

I support some of Trump's policies.
I don't support some of Trump's policies.

So - does that make me a "Trump supporter?" 

Personally I don't understand ideologues.  I assume you were a "Biden supporter."  So did you support all of Biden's policies?  My guess?  Probably not.  However, ideologues tend to see the world in binaries: black and white; good and bad; left or right.  Which is too bad because the world isn't binary - but - some people are.

A Trump ideologue would support all of Trump's policies.

A Biden ideologue would support all of Biden's policies.
A Republican ideologue would support all Republican policies.
A Democrat ideologue would support all Democrat policies.

In my humble opinion: Ideologues are a danger to a functioning society. All of them.

But the fact is that most Trumpistss here in aseannow.com march in unison with Trump even if that means a 180 degree reversal. Or crazy stuff like annexing Canada,

[Mike_Hunt]

21 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Lol, that's not how the viewer numbers work.

Prove me wrong. 

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Who posted this the other day?

 

What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

 

Well perhaps the proof is in trumps policy’s is wrecking the economy wrecking the education system wrecking the institutions that have made this country the success it WAS we as the wealthiest nation cannot help the starving anymore…trump dodge….stabbing our allies in the guts betraying Ukraine….heck there’s your evidence it’s so blatant it’s even beginning to penetrate the thick skulled imbeciles that got him elected.

[Mike_Hunt]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Well perhaps the proof is in trumps policy’s is wrecking the economy wrecking the education system wrecking the institutions that have made this country the success it WAS we as the wealthiest nation cannot help the starving anymore…trump dodge….stabbing our allies in the guts betraying Ukraine….heck there’s your evidence it’s so blatant it’s even penetrating beginning to penetrate the thick skulled imbeciles that got him elected.

1) The market is down some.  OK

2) He is not wrenching education. 

3) It's not our job to support Ukraine into perpetuity. 

 

[LosLobo]

35 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Dude, you have yet to apply critical thinking to this form. I'll outthink you any day of the week and twice on Tuesday.

 

You are not an intelligent person.  

And yet, I’m still waiting. You haven’t addressed my post from earlier today in another 'form' (sic), where I dismantled one of your illogical arguments—a fruit salad of nearly ten logical fallacies.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

 

It seems like the even the most ignorant things that he does are not open to criticism from his supporters

 

It is probably because left wing extremists like yourself criticise absolutely every decision he makes, especially if it involves trying to prevent antisemitism, or support for terrorist organisations; you might want to try a little introspection …. but I doubt it

 

 

[Dan O]

3 hours ago, Sigmund said:

Most europeans would dream of having a head of state like Trump. Mainly in Germany, France or in the UK or most of the nordic countries. That is also a fact fortunately or unfortunately - like it or not.

Not sure who your talk to but I have a number of European and Nordic friends and they all say the same thing, Trump is an f'n idiot.  He's ruining alliances and can't be repaired easily and destroying global supply chains with his tariffs. Not one supports anything he's doing and they say everyone back in their countries feel the same. They are all very nervous about his thinking and friendship with Putin because he's being played for the fool he is.

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2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

1) The market is down some.  OK

2) He is not wrenching education. 

3) It's not our job to support Ukraine into perpetuity. 

4) You're a thick-skulled imbecile. 

Actually he is damaging education. Higher education for one. He's dramatically cut funding for research. Graduate students come from all over the world to pursue their studies here. Those are people that the USA didn't have to put a dime into to get an university degree. Now they'll be going elsewhere. And before the morons start going on about covid or transgender studies. those are but specks in the world of research. The alliance between universities and high tech industries has put the United States at the forefront of business developments. That will start to go away now as scientists look to other countries for support.

[Tug]

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

1) The market is down some.  OK

2) He is not wrenching education. 

3) It's not our job to support Ukraine into perpetuity. 

4) You're a thick-skulled imbecile. 

Market lost 12% of its value since he’s been back in office (so far). #2 yes he is#3 it is our ideal as Americans to foster and support democracy and sovereignty throughout the world they asked for our help we should continue to give it not sell out a struggling brave nation for some sick photo op trump wants.#4 I could say the same to you,at least I’m not fool enough to vote foe a mentally ill trust fund baby to run the country.

[Digitalbanana]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Anecdotal evidence can be defined as testimony that something is true, false, related, or unrelated based on isolated examples of someone's personal experience. It is distinctly different from scientific evidence, or proof based on findings from systematic observation, measurement, and experimentation.

Spoken like a true deflector.The woman in the video looked true and not false to me. Real evidence if you like.

[Mike_Hunt]

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Actually he is damaging education. Higher education for one. He's dramatically cut funding for research. Graduate students come from all over the world to pursue their studies here. Those are people that the USA didn't have to put a dime into to get an university degree. Now they'll be going elsewhere. And before the morons start going on about covid or transgender studies. those are but specks in the world of research. The alliance between universities and high tech industries has put the United States at the forefront of business developments. That will start to go away now as scientists look to other countries for support.

He is not damaging education.    Have you seen what the left has done to education over the past 30 years/ 

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Just now, Mike_Hunt said:

He is not damaging education.    Have you seen what the left has done to education over the past 30 years/ 

Typical right wing pavlovian response. I'm referring to hard science. Ya know, physics, chemistry, biology, climatology. geology, hydrology and so on and so forth. For example, Johns Hopkins had to let thousands of people go thanks to the cuts.

[Mike_Hunt]

Just now, Tug said:

Market lost 12% of its value since he’s been back in office (so far). #2 yes he is#3 it is our ideal as Americans to foster and support democracy and sovereignty throughout the world they asked for our help we should continue to give it not sell out a struggling brave nation for some sick photo op trump wants.#4 I could say the same to you,at least I’m not fool enough to vote foe a mentally ill trust fund baby to run the country.

 

A market slump happened under Joe Biden.   Where in a tizzy about this? 

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1 hour ago, TedG said:

No typo.   Canada is the hat of the USA. 

Really? "Canada is nothing by the hat of the USA"?

[Mike_Hunt]

4 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

Spoken like a true deflector.The woman in the video looked true and not false to me. Real evidence if you like.

That's one person.  It's called anecdotal evidence.    Does this represent the left? 

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

15 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

And yet, I’m still waiting. You haven’t addressed my post from earlier today in another 'form' (sic), where I dismantled one of your illogical arguments—a fruit salad of nearly ten logical fallacies.

 

You don't post anything with substance or fact.   I'll give you a chance to start by replying to this post with something of substance.   I bet you can't. 

[Dan O]

3 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

A market slump happened under Joe Biden.   Where in a tizzy about this? 

Do you know why the market slumped at that point in time? 

[cjinchiangrai]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Do you have any evidece to support your claim?

Maybe some evidence would suffice, but thank you for playing. Just look at literacy rates and the red states, or fundamentalist religion and the red states.