6 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Don’t be last to the negotiating table, China!

 

China appears to favour a different form of negotiation.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelshulman/2025/04/09/us-rally-at-risk-as-china-may-be-dumping-treasuries/

 

many years of procurement experience sees supplier risk mgt entering a new age

 

elections have consequences

China threatens to unleash $1.9 trillion 'tsunami' on the world in drawn-out tariff warfare with the U.S. 

winning.

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/china-threatens-to-unleash-1-9-trillion-tsunami-on-the-world-in-drawn-out-tariff-warfare-with-the-u-s/ar-AA1CE6jr?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=63e3b1cb5d4b4c3c9d5dfb9dce66291e&ei=31

On 4/11/2025 at 5:18 AM, placeholder said:

US President Donald Trump may have announced a delay in some of his tariff plans, but the first signs of an economically-damaging slowdown in global trade are already emerging as companies around the world hit their own pause button on orders and he continues to escalate his trade war with China.

Trump announced Wednesday that he would increase import duties on Chinese goods to 125% while also announcing a 90-day pause in plans to impose higher tariffs on dozens of other economies, hitting them with a flat 10% tariff instead. China earlier in the day had raised its own new tariffs on imports from the US to 84%

https://archive.ph/VXxQl

 

One update: Trump raised the tariff to 145%

Isn't that part of his plan? He wants things made in the US, not imported. Try and keep up.

I for one will be happy if the shops are not full of Chinese junk tech. It's got to the stage that's all there is to buy for some things.

16 hours ago, BLMFem said:

So who's gonna fill all those manufacturing job vacancies? There's already a huge problem filling existing vacancies? How you plan on doing that, "Frank"?

More illegal immigrants?

Ever heard of legal immigration? Duh. 

On 4/10/2025 at 4:06 PM, CallumWK said:

 

My guess is that China will just blacklist every US company. China doesn't need the US, since they account for less than 15% of the exports.
I read earlier today that they already found another source for the soy beans they import from the US.
Keep going Trump, you are winning (sarcasm of the highest level) but your cult still believes it.

Can you tell me the source of t he soy beans?

20 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

Thanks for confirming that in the YEARS it will take to build factories there will be pain for the US population.

You are apparently not aware that they don't build factories with bricks any more. Even very large buildings can be constructed in a short time. The main problem will be making the robots that will make the things in the factories. I doubt rich business people will be intending to employ a lot of people. I expect a large 3D printing business will be starting up shortly.

16 hours ago, BLMFem said:

So who's gonna fill all those manufacturing job vacancies? There's already a huge problem filling existing vacancies? How you plan on doing that, "Frank"?

More illegal immigrants?

You even included the solution in your own post. In case you missed it, it's the point above the one you drew a red line under.

2 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Can you tell me the source of t he soy beans?

 

Thought you were so well informed, but of course we know MAGA and information don't go together.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-makes-big-brazilian-soy-114706866.html

 

China Makes Big Brazilian Soy Purchase as US Trade War Worsens

 

(Bloomberg) -- Chinese soybean crushers scooped up an unusually large amount of Brazilian beans this week as the escalating trade war makes purchases of US crops unviable.

Importers bought at least 40 cargoes from Brazil in the first half of this week, according to people familiar with the matter, who asked not to be identified as they’re not authorized to talk to media. They booked the supplies to take advantage of a recent dip in Brazilian prices, which had rallied in previous months amid the fallout of worsening Sino-US tensions, the people said.

"We have the precedent from the trade war in 2018. At that time, one out of three rows was going to China, and after all the dust is settled, we have never gained back that full market share that we had. We’ve lost about nine percent of U.S. production that used to be exported to China that now isn’t, and our competitors in South America, mainly in Brazil, have filled that spot. China has partnered with them and invested in infrastructure and ports and rail and roads and bridges, and we’re not likely to get that back.”

https://www.sfntoday.com/2025/04/09/soybean-farmers-fear-losing-more-chinese-market-share/

 

 

2 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Can you tell me the source of t he soy beans?

Until 2012, China imported nearly half of its soybeans from the US, according to USDA data. However, in the last decade, Brazil emerged as the largest supplier of the product to China and the world.

In 2024, China's total soybean imports reached a record-high 105 million mt, with Brazil accounting for nearly 70% of the supplies and the US accounting for roughly 20%, the latest data from the General Administration of Customs of the People's Republic of China data showed.

https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/news-research/latest-news/agriculture/020625-us-farmers-could-permanently-lose-key-markets-amid-trumps-tariffs-diplomacy-trade

16 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Until 2012, China imported nearly half of its soybeans from the US, according to USDA data. However, in the last decade, Brazil emerged as the largest supplier of the product to China and the world.

In 2024, China's total soybean imports reached a record-high 105 million mt, with Brazil accounting for nearly 70% of the supplies and the US accounting for roughly 20%, the latest data from the General Administration of Customs of the People's Republic of China data showed.

https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/news-research/latest-news/agriculture/020625-us-farmers-could-permanently-lose-key-markets-amid-trumps-tariffs-diplomacy-trade

 

 

The difference between the US and China is that China's US imports are mainly agriculture products, which they can get from virtually any country in the world.

While the products the US imports from China, are mainly electronics or labor-intensive products, which the US can virtually get nowhere else, or produce themselves at the same cost.

On 4/11/2025 at 3:06 AM, CallumWK said:

 

My guess is that China will just blacklist every US company. China doesn't need the US, since they account for less than 15% of the exports.
I read earlier today that they already found another source for the soy beans they import from the US.
Keep going Trump, you are winning (sarcasm of the highest level) but your cult still believes it.

My guess is that you'e significantly underestimating the effect of US business on Chinese manufacturing and the Chinese economy as a whole.

 

Even if China "blacklists" every US company, that doesn't tell you much that's useful.  What about the indirect effect of the USA as a customer through the international supply chains?  Lots of the jobs in China rely on the USA as a customer, even if not a direct customer. To make up an example, assume a US company relies on parts supplied by a distributor in Mexico.  Will China also blacklist the Mexican distributor just because one of its customers is a US company?  If China started doing that, pretty soon most of the Chinese factories would be out of business.  

 

Face it: for China, global supply chains are both a blessing and a curse.  Retaliation isn't as simple as you seem to think.  Don't forget, China is already on the brink.  Unless, of course, you believe all the propaganda generated by the Globalists.  

 

One by one, Trump will slowly line up countries that are willing to negotiate about tariffs.  To believe that the entire world will somehow abandon the USA and somehow get along without it and the world's reserve currency is delusional. 

5 minutes ago, jas007 said:

My guess is that you'e significantly underestimating the effect of US business on Chinese manufacturing and the Chinese economy as a whole.

 

Even if China "blacklists" every US company, that doesn't tell you much that's useful.  What about the indirect effect of the USA as a customer through the international supply chains?  Lots of the jobs in China rely on the USA as a customer, even if not a direct customer. To make up an example, assume a US company relies on parts supplied by a distributor in Mexico.  Will China also blacklist the Mexican distributor just because one of its customers is a US company?  If China started doing that, pretty soon most of the Chinese factories would be out of business.  

 

Face it: for China, global supply chains are both a blessing and a curse.  Retaliation isn't as simple as you seem to think.  Don't forget, China is already on the brink.  Unless, of course, you believe all the propaganda generated by the Globalists.  

 

One by one, Trump will slowly line up countries that are willing to negotiate about tariffs.  To believe that the entire world will somehow abandon the USA and somehow get along without it and the world's reserve currency is delusional. 

Quite the contrary to what the anti americans here think, american consumerism is a powerful weapon that trump is using on its enemies

Nobel laureate Paul Krugman joined other economists Thursday in delivering some harsh words for President Donald Trump’s shifting tariff policies and those who think he’s doing a good job.

 

“Anyone sounding the all-clear on tariffs, or Trump economic policy in general, should be kept away from sharp objects and banned from operating heavy machinery,” Krugman, one of the country’s top economists, wrote in a Substack post titled “Trump Is Stupid, Erratic and Weak.”

 

Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen also had harsh words for Trump’s tariff policy Thursday. 

 

“This is the worst self-inflicted wound that I have ever seen in an administration impose on a well-functioning economy,” she told CNN.

Posts using derogatory and toxic nicknames or intentional misspelling of people’s names will be removed. If you don’t want your post to be removed, spell people’s names correctly, this applies to both sides of the political debate.

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Nobel laureate Paul Krugman joined other economists Thursday in delivering some harsh words for President Donald Trump’s shifting tariff policies and those who think he’s doing a good job.

 

“Anyone sounding the all-clear on tariffs, or Trump economic policy in general, should be kept away from sharp objects and banned from operating heavy machinery,” Krugman, one of the country’s top economists, wrote in a Substack post titled “Trump Is Stupid, Erratic and Weak.”

 

Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen also had harsh words for Trump’s tariff policy Thursday. 

 

“This is the worst self-inflicted wound that I have ever seen in an administration impose on a well-functioning economy,” she told CNN.

You think Krugman and Yellen actually know what they're talking about?  They'r'e both biased in the extreme. People who think like they do are part of the problem, not part of any viable solution. 

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

You think Krugman and Yellen actually know what they're talking about?  They'r'e both biased in the extreme. People who think like they do are part of the problem, not part of any viable solution. 

To hell with all of them. The amount of misinformation out there, primarily the experts, best thing to do for oneself is trust your instincts

24 minutes ago, jas007 said:

You think Krugman and Yellen actually know what they're talking about?  They'r'e both biased in the extreme. People who think like they do are part of the problem, not part of any viable solution. 

So Krugman and yellen don't know what they're talking about says an anonymous poster on a Thailand forum.

Lol.

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So Krugman and yellen don't know what they're talking about says an anonymous poster on a Thailand forum.

Lol.

I have more credibility than krugman in economics. I have bitcoin, he doesnt

24 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So Krugman and yellen don't know what they're talking about says an anonymous poster on a Thailand forum.

Lol.

Correct.  

2 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Correct.  

Leftists are very prideful of him as he embodies all their qualities. Consistently wrong enough where you can become rich counter trading his advice

26 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Leftists are very prideful of him as he embodies all their qualities. Consistently wrong enough where you can become rich counter trading his advice

 Remember George from Seinfeld?  

 

https://youtu.be/1Y_6fZGSOQI?si=cC_4j--ObDE9-4yZ

1 hour ago, hotsun said:

Quite the contrary to what the anti americans here think, american consumerism is a powerful weapon that trump is using on its enemies

American consumerism is pigs squealing at a trough.

 

The tit-for-tat between China and the USA has reached a level which means all trade between the countries will stop. So if China bans the export of all rare earths, America goes back to using wall telephones.

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

American consumerism is pigs squealing at a trough.

 

The tit-for-tat between China and the USA has reached a level which means all trade between the countries will stop. So if China bans the export of all rare earths, America goes back to using wall telephones.

China loses the american consumer, devastating. What does the US lose? If there were an answer to that then trump wouldnt have done it!

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

American consumerism is pigs squealing at a trough.

 

The tit-for-tat between China and the USA has reached a level which means all trade between the countries will stop. So if China bans the export of all rare earths, America goes back to using wall telephones.

In case you are unaware, China is not the only place on Earth that has "rare earths." Nor is it the only producer. 

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ever heard of legal immigration? Duh. 

OK, so the US will go from allowing a limited number of highly skilled immigrants to vast amounts of no/low skilled immigrants. Am I right?

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You even included the solution in your own post. In case you missed it, it's the point above the one you drew a red line under.

The post I replied to applauded the fact that Trump wants to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US. Making robots do the work instead of humans kind of defeats the whole purpose.

Agreed?

6 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

The post I replied to applauded the fact that Trump wants to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US. Making robots do the work instead of humans kind of defeats the whole purpose.

Agreed?

I don't think Trump understands that much. He wants manufacturing to return to the US. I doubt he understands that humans will not benefit.

 

I agree that it's a tragedy if humans are replaced by robots but that is the capitalist way- the rich get richer and everyone else gets screwed.

It's not going to end well either way.

14 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

OK, so the US will go from allowing a limited number of highly skilled immigrants to vast amounts of no/low skilled immigrants. Am I right?

??????? Allowing the present illegals to enter legally to do the same work they do now is not going change much except they get paid properly.

The skilled workers will still be allowed in.