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Beyond the Veil: Philosopher Claims Heaven Is Real—and There Are Seven Levels of It


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The problem I have with a heaven predicatred on "moral maturity" is this:

 

Morality is perspective. Why would heaven be based on the perspective of humans of what is good and bad?

 

 

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But heaven and hell for which religion?

 

Christians only, is the Christian one divided between each  separate division of Christians, Catholic, Protestant. Orthodox etc, Buddhists (all variants), Hindus, Sikhs Moslems etc or one for all religions, or a separate one for each different religion?

 

How far back does this "Heaven and Hades go? To the Vikings. or further back into the pagan times. What about religion that worshipped animals?

 

It is very easy to claim something like that as no proof is necessary and nobody can prove that you are right or wrong. There will always be people who are willing to believe you.

 

Some religions permit you to be evil all your life, but one quick confession on your death bed and all is forgiven and you can go to heaven.

 

Really?

 

 

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Here's a quick philosophical question for the guy that puzzles me.  If your spouse dies before you do and you remarry, which one do you spend eternity with?

 

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3 minutes ago, impulse said:

Here's a quick philosophical question for the guy that puzzles me.  If your spouse dies before you do and you remarry, which one do you spend eternity with?

 

Both?

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4 minutes ago, saakura said:

Both?

 

I don't know.  Seems to be one of those imponderables. 

 

And what if there are 8 levels?  Or just 6?

 

 

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23 minutes ago, billd766 said:

But heaven and hell for which religion?

 

Christians only, is the Christian one divided between each  separate division of Christians, Catholic, Protestant. Orthodox etc, Buddhists (all variants), Hindus, Sikhs Moslems etc or one for all religions, or a separate one for each different religion?

 

How far back does this "Heaven and Hades go? To the Vikings. or further back into the pagan times. What about religion that worshipped animals?

 

It is very easy to claim something like that as no proof is necessary and nobody can prove that you are right or wrong. There will always be people who are willing to believe you.

 

Some religions permit you to be evil all your life, but one quick confession on your death bed and all is forgiven and you can go to heaven.

 

Really?

 

 

"Some religions permit you to be evil all your life, but one quick confession on your death bed and all is forgiven and you can go to heaven."

 

How dare you slander "the one true" church like this.

I believe it needs to be a lengthy confession.

Additionally, high probability of a penance of saying 10 "Our Fathers" and 10 "Hail Marys".

And, as precondition to all of this, having a truly contrite heart.

So not really so trivial.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, cdemundo said:

"Some religions permit you to be evil all your life, but one quick confession on your death bed and all is forgiven and you can go to heaven."

 

How dare you slander "the one true" church like this.

I believe it needs to be a lengthy confession.

Additionally, high probability of a penance of saying 10 "Our Fathers" and 10 "Hail Marys".

And, as precondition to all of this, having a truly contrite heart.

So not really so trivial.

 

 

 

Who says it is the one true church?

 

This is the whole problem with religion across the world.  Each religion claims to be the one true religion, and that their god is the one true god. Who decides what is true?

 

You, mw, somebody else, some unknown god who many people pray to but who never listens and never speaks to anybody.

 

I gave up on religion decades ago when I realised that.

 

You are more than welcome to believe in something that doesn't exist nut please don; push that stuff on to anybody else, especially onto children who know nothing different.

 

If you want people to believe you, lay out the proof. Find people who have died and come back to life and can prove it.

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Morality also changes and develops. So presumably what would have got you into heaven in the last 3 years could have prevented you going to heaven 70 years ago. If moral maturity is the threshhold to enter heaven.

 

It is not like morality has stayed the same for all eternity.

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Oh another delusion....

 

Mehdi Hasan asking Richard Dawkins if he was 's u r e' that God did not exist.

Dawkins replied: "I am as sure as you are sure that there are no Leprechauns and no Fairies'.

 

But delusions will remain. Lots of money in that...

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3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Who says it is the one true church?

 

This is the whole problem with religion across the world.  Each religion claims to be the one true religion, and that their god is the one true god. Who decides what is true?

 

You, mw, somebody else, some unknown god who many people pray to but who never listens and never speaks to anybody.

 

I gave up on religion decades ago when I realised that.

 

You are more than welcome to believe in something that doesn't exist nut please don; push that stuff on to anybody else, especially onto children who know nothing different.

 

If you want people to believe you, lay out the proof. Find people who have died and come back to life and can prove it.

You might want to see your family doctor, I suspect you are suffering from an irony deficiency.

This is not as rare as one might think.

 

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6 hours ago, impulse said:

Here's a quick philosophical question for the guy that puzzles me.  If your spouse dies before you do and you remarry, which one do you spend eternity with?

 

The two mothers-in-law.

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