How Sweden’s Multicultural Dream Turned to a Nightmare of Gangs Violence, and Child Soldiers

[Eloquent pilgrim]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Don't think the basic problem is Islam though

 

It is 

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

3 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Historians will look back on the late 20th and early 21st centuries and conclude that the single biggest contributing factor to the demise and destruction of Western society was Islam …..… there, fixed your nonsense for you.

 

 

Throwing open their borders to muslim migrants will have the same effect on the countries inhabitants as the dubious gift of a blanket had on the Native Americans. Cheers lefties, you were well warned starting by Enoch Powell. 

[Watawattana]

2 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

And where exactly is multiculturalism working so much better …. thanks

 

 

I guess it depends a bit on the definition and boundaries around that word, but I'd say that in Hong Kong and Singapore multiculturalism is working so much better.  

 

No great issues in either place, indeed Singapore was built upon the foundation of multiculturalism, and seceded from Malaysia due to that country proactively advocating against that.  Yes there's Little India, Chinatown etc., but there is no social breakdown and generally everyone gets on.  I don't know anything about gangs and their activities in SG.

 

In Hong Kong there are South Asian gangs and Chinese Triads, but there's little impact on normal daily life unlike what is being seen in Sweden, and indeed the UK.  I live in a predominantly Chinese area without issue, and I don't like the generally expat areas as they are expensive and not very integrated (might be quite a few places like that in Thailand 😜).

 

Part of the reason why it works better in HK & SG I think is down to their Governments and criminal justice systems.  Bad behaviour is simply not accepted and it gets dealt with, unlike in the UK where a Facebook post is treated as a bigger crime than robbery, mass murderers are allowed to work in a prison kitchen so they can fashion weapons in order to seriously injure prison guards.  I'm sure there are parallels in Sweden.

 

Bottom line is that Sweden and the UK are broken societies because successive governments have failed, and failed badly, their citizens.  The US has gone a long way down that path by allowing free-flow immigration through lack of border enforcement and immediate repatriation.  Love him or loathe him, Trump is trying to address that and has started well.  Sweden and the UK need to learn from this.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

24 minutes ago, Watawattana said:

I guess it depends a bit on the definition and boundaries around that word, but I'd say that in Hong Kong and Singapore multiculturalism is working so much better.  

 

No great issues in either place, indeed Singapore was built upon the foundation of multiculturalism, and seceded from Malaysia due to that country proactively advocating against that.  Yes there's Little India, Chinatown etc., but there is no social breakdown and generally everyone gets on.  I don't know anything about gangs and their activities in SG.

 

In Hong Kong there are South Asian gangs and Chinese Triads, but there's little impact on normal daily life unlike what is being seen in Sweden, and indeed the UK.  I live in a predominantly Chinese area without issue, and I don't like the generally expat areas as they are expensive and not very integrated (might be quite a few places like that in Thailand 😜).

 

Part of the reason why it works better in HK & SG I think is down to their Governments and criminal justice systems.  Bad behaviour is simply not accepted and it gets dealt with, unlike in the UK where a Facebook post is treated as a bigger crime than robbery, mass murderers are allowed to work in a prison kitchen so they can fashion weapons in order to seriously injure prison guards.  I'm sure there are parallels in Sweden.

 

Bottom line is that Sweden and the UK are broken societies because successive governments have failed, and failed badly, their citizens.  The US has gone a long way down that path by allowing free-flow immigration through lack of border enforcement and immediate repatriation.  Love him or loathe him, Trump is trying to address that and has started well.  Sweden and the UK need to learn from this.

 

Thanks, some valid points, but of course as you say yourself, the muslims in Singapore are mostly indigenous; same with Hong Kong, where the majority of muslims are Indonesian and Chinese.

 

However, this ignores the elephant in the room, which is mass Islamic migration into Europe; and just naming Sweden and the UK as having broken societies is very selective. Maybe have a look at the fractured societies of France and  Germany, two countries that  have been on the receiving end of much of the imported terrorism.

 

You may find it difficult to tell me any country in Europe where multiculturalism that involves muslims is working.

 

As you say, Trump, despite his faults, is addressing this important issue in the US, something that is not unfortunately happening in my country, the UK.

 

 

 

 

[Watawattana]

58 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Thanks, some valid points, but of course as you say yourself, the muslims in Singapore are mostly indigenous; same with Hong Kong, where the majority of muslims are Indonesian and Chinese.

 

However, this ignores the elephant in the room, which is mass Islamic migration into Europe; and just naming Sweden and the UK as having broken societies is very selective. Maybe have a look at the fractured societies of France and  Germany, two countries that  have been on the receiving end of much of the imported terrorism.

 

You may find it difficult to tell me any country in Europe where multiculturalism that involves muslims is working.

 

As you say, Trump, despite his faults, is addressing this important issue in the US, something that is not unfortunately happening in my country, the UK.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, in HK there are lot of Indonesians (a lot of domestic helpers), most of the muslims I personally know and spend time with are men from Pakistan, Bangladesh or Malaysia.

 

I picked Sweden as that's the OP, I picked the UK as that's where I'm from.  Didn't want to post a 15-page essay covering the whole of Europe, with examples of some muslims who have integrated and some who have not, but I agree that I couldn't name a single European country that I could call culturally integrated, the old Yugoslavia is a great example of where it went spectacularly wrong.

[koolkarl]

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

why is it working much better in other countries?

only sweden seems to have these severe problems and it's probably due to sth else. 

 

Canada has the same nightmare as Sweden. 

[Packer]

I'm not reading all of that, but it's Muslim immigrants/male Muslim refugees, isn't it? 

[blaze master]

1 minute ago, koolkarl said:

Canada has the same nightmare as Sweden. 

 

Really ?  

[koolkarl]

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

 

Really ?  

And so does England and France.

[blaze master]

Just now, koolkarl said:

And so does England and France.

 

How is canada the same as those others. I just don't see it. 

[rattlesnake]

It isn't a "dream", it is a project and it has been very effectively implemented, as in all of Europe. The people at the helm are not incompetent, quite the contrary, they know exactly what they are doing.

[Magictoad]

7 hours ago, koolkarl said:

Multiculturalism won't work in a million years. Again prior incompetent politicians who were not qualified for the job and never held accountable are responsible for this mess.  There are parts of Stockholm, inhabited by muslims that the police are too afraid to enter.  Can you imagine?

Yes, unfortunately. 

[Magictoad]

26 minutes ago, koolkarl said:

Canada has the same nightmare as Sweden. 

The reason Sweden has the severe problem that other countries don't have is that their law is different.  In Sweden children aged 10 to 13 can't be prosecuted even for murder. Unlike the UK where they can be prosecuted.

[Magictoad]

7 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Absolutely correct; adherents of Islam have no intention of integrating, they don't want to live in a multicultural society, they want to conquer and subjugate western civilisation; despite what all the left wing bedwetters on this forum will say

 

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Unfortunately you are correct. 

[Screaming]

5 hours ago, black tabby12345 said:

Settlers' willingness to integrate into the new home.

Without it, Multiculturalism only makes a mess, creating divisions among the society.

And eventually leads to the destruction of the host countries.

 

While living as the expats/immigrants outside own home, the new comers should first learn how the locals  act, before the locals learn how the foreigners act.

 

Looks like Sweden ended up as the Unfortunate Case of the failed experiment.

So very true and the United States is another failed case. But the left wing socialist multiculturalist Democrats are trying to impede Trump's effort to remove some of the illegal criminals by using their appointed Federal judges.