UK: When Diversity Becomes Discrimination: Embedded Anti-white racism

[BangkokReady]

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As you rightly said above, ‘the article implies’, it does a lot of implying while providing no ‘apparently available facts’ to substantiate what the article ‘implies’.

 

I’ve given an example above. 
 

The ‘fact’ of increased litigation is not an indication of any issues with recruitment, other causes, such as society becoming increasingly litigious might be a cause.

 

So yes you’re correct, ‘implies’ and ‘apparently available facts’ but not actual evidence, nothing that can be actually examined as cause and effect.

Though it plays well to some.

 

If you want to deny the evidence presented in the article, you're free to do so, but it means there isn't much to discuss with you.

 

"The evidence suggests this."

 

"I don't believe the evidence is real."

 

"OK then."

 

🤷‍♂️

[Photoguy21]

In the UK we don't want diversity we want the best person for the job.

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

If you want to deny the evidence presented in the article, you're free to do so, but it means there isn't much to discuss with you.

 

"The evidence suggests this."

 

"I don't believe the evidence is real."

 

"OK then."

 

🤷‍♂️

The article is replete with opinions and juxtaposition of statements with zero evidence of a link, the ‘implying’ you yourself identified.

 

I’ve given you one example, which you have twice failed to address.

 

Now here’s another.

 

“Everything has a price tag,” he explains. “Not just undergraduate degrees; postgraduate degrees as well.”

 

That’s a very serious allegation.

 

No evidence is provided to substantiate it.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The article is replete with opinions and juxtaposition of statements with zero evidence of a link, the ‘implying’ you yourself identified.

 

I’ve given you one example, which you have twice failed to address.

 

Now here’s another.

 

“Everything has a price tag,” he explains. “Not just undergraduate degrees; postgraduate degrees as well.”

 

That’s a very serious allegation.

 

No evidence is provided to substantiate it.

Attacking the messenger again even after evidence that its implications are based on fact. Shame on you.

[BangkokReady]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The article is replete with opinions and juxtaposition of statements with zero evidence of a link, the ‘implying’ you yourself identified.

 

I’ve given you one example, which you have twice failed to address.

 

Now here’s another.

 

“Everything has a price tag,” he explains. “Not just undergraduate degrees; postgraduate degrees as well.”

 

That’s a very serious allegation.

 

No evidence is provided to substantiate it.

 

Then we cannot discuss anything without documented and verified evidence?

 

I very much doubt that you keep this requirement when it works in your favour.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Then we cannot discuss anything without documented and verified evidence?

 

I very much doubt that you keep this requirement when it works in your favour.

Of course you can, but don’t claim opinions are facts or that correlation is causation.

You yourself stated ‘the article implies’, forgive me for pointing out it does so without providing evidence to backup what it implies.

 

 

[connda]

22 minutes ago, proton said:

Was at the bus station at Heathrow on Wednesday for and hour or so. The man doing the announcements sounded African and his accent was so thick I could only understand about one in three words, how did he get a job announcing departures and stops if his Englsih is so bad? This is England not Somalia.

Which reminds me of a joke, Benny Hill I believe.

A old woman runs to catch a lorry. 
The conductor, and turbaned man from Punjab states to the lady, "I'm sorry ma'am, but I'm Ram Cram Full."
To which the elderly woman retorts, "I don't care what your name is, I just want on the lorry!"

[mikeymike100]

4 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

Well, many of the patients, nurses, and doctors don't speak English as well, so no problem there...

Love it...good one!!

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Photoguy21 said:

In the UK we don't want diversity we want the best person for the job.

This is not only the best, most logical approach, it's also potentially life saving, depending on the industry.
 

 

[Photoguy21]

4 minutes ago, Stubby said:

This is not only the best, most logical approach, it's also potentially life saving, depending on the industry.
 

 

If you mean hiring based on diversity no it isn't the best. It is a person who ticks the box of diversity. They tried it in the RAF and now they have a bunch of useless people

[Stubby]

5 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

Shock, horror, disgusting!!!

 

On the other hand, having been born in a former British colony, and thus knowing how the British treated the local indigenous population, all I can say is - karma can be a bitch sometimes.

Don't you feel that you might just be influenced (subconsciously manipulated) by the news and sources you choose to follow? British history is not all bad you know, and few nations have a squeaky clean past. 
 

 

[Stubby]

5 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

If you mean hiring based on diversity no it isn't the best. It is a person who ticks the box of diversity. They tried it in the RAF and now they have a bunch of useless people

 

Yes, and how could anyone disagree that the best person for the job is the right person to take on, regardless of whether they're a man, woman, beast, gay, straight, or Australian.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course you can, but don’t claim opinions are facts or that correlation is causation.

You yourself stated ‘the article implies’, forgive me for pointing out it does so without providing evidence to backup what it implies.

 

 

More deflection, it implies based on facts widely known and easily researched. 

[Andycoops]

I was last in the UK in 2019 and felt like a foreigner in the country of my birth.

 

It was only my 4 visit since living in Thailand from 2008.

 

I understand it's now even worse so I won't be returning.

 

Decades of failed immigration policies the Westminster Muppets have alot to answer for but of course there is no accountability.

[WDSmart]

The UK should use the DEI model when hiring or promoting. This is (IMO):

- Know the racial makeup of the community in which the business or organization operates. This could be local or nationwide.

- Set forth a set of MINIMUM requirements;

- Consider ALL applicants that meet the minimum requirements;

When deciding which qualified applicant should get the job or promotion, consider race ONLY if the business 'or organization's workforce's racial makeup is not approximately the same as that of the community in which it operates. 

 

[BangkokReady]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course you can, but don’t claim opinions are facts or that correlation is causation.

You yourself stated ‘the article implies’, forgive me for pointing out it does so without providing evidence to backup what it implies.

 

I'm not making any such claim.  There are multiple pieces of evidence that support the overall point.  The evidence doesn't sound unrealistic and I don't see why they would lie.

 

If you don't want to believe the factual claims made in the article, that's up to you, but other people likely will believe them.

 

This means there's really not much of a discussion to have.  It's simply a case of people saying, "This suggests X", and you saying, "I don't believe this".  (Although you use a lot more words that necessary to make this point.)

[PJPom]

slightly off topic but pertinent, P I A   Pakistan International Airlines subjected all Pilots qualifications to scrutiny and found a frightening number were fake, their safety record was not impressive. In 2020 they were banned from flying to Europe, UK and USA , they are only just being allowed to return to the EU.     There was also the case of a University in India that changed the examination that had the same questions for many years, the Students revolted and refused to take the new exam, result was old exam reinstated.

These two countries are the source of many ' qualified " migrants and I think it validates some of the O P's impressions.

[Sir Dude]

I'm so proud of ASEAN Now posters that have allowed a thread to run further than 1 page without mentioning Trump... I'm impressed.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

I'm not making any such claim.  There are multiple pieces of evidence that support the overall point.  The evidence doesn't sound unrealistic and I don't see why they would lie.

 

If you don't want to believe the factual claims made in the article, that's up to you, but other people likely will believe them.

 

This means there's really not much of a discussion to have.  It's simply a case of people saying, "This suggests X", and you saying, "I don't believe this".  (Although you use a lot more words that necessary to make this point.)

There are very few factual claims in the article, it is almost entirely repeating secondhand opinions.

 

I have outlined two examples of claims in the article that are simply statements with zero backing them up.

 

Feel free to challenge the point I made with respect to either of them.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There are very few factual claims in the article, it is almost entirely repeating secondhand opinions.

 

I have outlined two examples of claims in the article that are simply statements with zero backing them up.

 

Feel free to challenge the point I made with respect to either of them.

 

 

More messenger attacking. There are no links to the implications made in the article that compensation claims are rising. But again that is a fact with numerous links to back it up. Plenty more examples.

[rough diamond]

33 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

I'm so proud of ASEAN Now posters that have allowed a thread to run further than 1 page without mentioning Trump... I'm impressed.

So you felt such an urgent need that you had to post that hated word!

Why?

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There are very few factual claims in the article, it is almost entirely repeating secondhand opinions.

 

I have outlined two examples of claims in the article that are simply statements with zero backing them up.

 

Feel free to challenge the point I made with respect to either of them.

 

 

From the article:

 

Tracy Brabin, Mayor of West Yorkshire, recently dismissed reports that white applicants had been blocked from applying to the police, calling them “incredibly misleading.” Yet in 2023, Chief Constable John Robins supported positive discrimination, stating that candidates from under-represented groups should “move forward” ahead of their white counterparts. The rationale? “Systemic issues around applications.”

 

More facts