If there is no life after death...

[Stocky]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Much is guesses by paid scientists.

You expect them to work for free!?

[novanova]

45 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Also the damage that comes from believing the universe and everything in it, with all the diversity, species, things that make life possible to exist on this planet, all came from a big bang that happened all by itself from nothing, instead of there being a creator which makes a lot more sense, even to half of the scientists.

That is "The Argument of First Cause", which was debunked over 300 years ago.

 

Are you really saying that an entity with incredible powers must be the cause of the universe? So, what is the cause of that astounding entity?

 

If you hadn't had your brains pickled by religious lunatics, you would see the irrationality your position

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Much is guesses by paid scientists.

Exactly what KhunLa said, hypocritical when it comes to realism, because you want to believe something else, science must be wrong..

 

There is no controversy between religion and belief! One need evidence, the other not

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Stocky said:

You expect them to work for free!?

No, but people get grants having others believe what they say.

[novanova]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

As would faith and hope. Hoping there is something after has many living food lives. No hope would have many doing things they wouldn't do otherwise, killing people they didn't like, raping women because they can, and hurting others in countless ways. Raising children to believe isn't poisoning them but giving them hope. They can always decide what they want to do when they reach adulthood.

Bertrand Russell: "Faith. The name given to a belief for which there is no evidence".

 

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church is the largest, longest-running and most successful paedophile organisation. How anyone can support them is beyond me.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Hummin said:

Exactly what KhunLa said, hypocritical when it comes to realism, because you want to believe something else, science must be wrong..

 

There is no controversy between religion and belief! One need evidence, the other not

Science is right in many things. Things they have proven. Guesses and hypotheses aren't proven. There is no way to prove otherwise, so that's where most of us uses faith. People being hypocritical means they say one thing and live another way. Belief isn't hypocritical but actions are.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, novanova said:

Bertrand Russell: "Faith. The name given to a belief for which there is no evidence".

 

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church is the largest, longest-running and most successful paedophile organisation. How anyone can support them is beyond me.

Show me a link for that, as that's a really out there assumption. There are pedophiles in all religions, and non believers. No one entity has the hold on that. People support because they believe, and priests carry the word. That there's a lot of money involved isn't a good thing, but priests aren't rich.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Science is right in many things. Things they have proven. Guesses and hypotheses aren't proven. There is no way to prove otherwise, so that's where most of us uses faith. People being hypocritical means they say one thing and live another way. Belief isn't hypocritical but actions are.

Okay, do you believe God first hand controls earth with all its life? 

 

When we see evidences of frozen life wakes up after 46 000 years. Life from the permafrost In Siberia. Couldn't it just be infested from other parts of the universe? 

 

Eternal life lays in the dna itself, not our consciousness 

 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-revive-46000-year-old-roundworms-from-siberian-permafrost-180982620/

[JackGats]

If there were life after death, death wouldn't be called death.

[novanova]

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Science is right in many things. Things they have proven. Guesses and hypotheses aren't proven. There is no way to prove otherwise, so that's where most of us uses faith. People being hypocritical means they say one thing and live another way. Belief isn't hypocritical but actions are.

In the absence of sufficient supporting evidence, *suspend judgement*.  Unfashionable, but it's the right way to go.

 

This "faith" stuff is total bs, and very damaging.

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Show me a link for that, as that's a really out there assumption. There are pedophiles in all religions, and non believers. No one entity has the hold on that. People support because they believe, and priests carry the word. That there's a lot of money involved isn't a good thing, but priests aren't rich.

A church by men and boys, and there is evidences many of the priests is gay men in dresses. 

 

It is so obvious in the daylight, church with so much rituals, colours and .....

 

Doesn't mean every priests or most priests do wrong, but it's a horrible institution. Many of the same believers condems gay, cross dressers as well people who openly live as a different sex. 

 

Hypocrisy? 

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Okay, do you believe God first hand controls earth with all its life? 

 

When we see evidences of frozen life wakes up after 46 000 years. Life from the permafrost In Siberia. Couldn't it just be infested from other parts of the universe? 

 

Eternal life lays in the dna itself, not our consciousness 

 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-revive-46000-year-old-roundworms-from-siberian-permafrost-180982620/

I believe there are possibly other life forms in the universe, but still all created by God.

[GarryP]

34 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO the only life we have after death is what we create in our lifetime, be it children, songs, sculptures, endowments etc.

 

The vast majority of us are forgotten in 2-3 generations.

I'll be forgotten in a few months. 

[novanova]

11 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Show me a link for that, as that's a really out there assumption. There are pedophiles in all religions, and non believers. No one entity has the hold on that. People support because they believe, and priests carry the word. That there's a lot of money involved isn't a good thing, but priests aren't rich.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country

[save the frogs]

my last post.

in my opinion, folks are combining too many disparate complex issues into one conversation, leading to confusion.

good luck. 

 

 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Hummin said:

A church by men and boys, and there is evidences many of the priests is gay men in dresses. 

 

It is so obvious in the daylight, church with so much rituals, colours and .....

 

Doesn't mean every priests or most priests do wrong, but it's a horrible institution. Many of the same believers condems gay, cross dressers as well people who openly live as a different sex. 

 

Hypocrisy? 

A few Catholic priests have been caught of course. I haven't seen any in dresses though. Gays are said to be wrong in Christian beliefs, but judging them isn't ours. Again, there are pedophiles all over, right next door to many, and they aren't priests.

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, novanova said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country

That shows that many have done wrong. It isn't a pedophile organization and wouldn't exist if it was.

[fredwiggy]

7 minutes ago, novanova said:

In the absence of sufficient supporting evidence, *suspend judgement*.  Unfashionable, but it's the right way to go.

 

This "faith" stuff is total bs, and very damaging.

Faith is what keeps many acting better than if they had nothing to believe in. many do wrong in life, and change for the better because of that faith. No faith or belief in God, imagine the crimes committed.

[quake]

Have a read here .

It's only a short thread .

But I'm sure all your questions, have had some kind of answer.

But you may not like what some people say. 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1095135-do-you-believe-in-god-and-why/

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That shows that many have done wrong. It isn't a pedophile organization and wouldn't exist if it was.

It is an organization that is an magnet to potential abusers. And we also know there is often more cases that never will share daylight. 

 

Many cases has also been hidden by the church to avoid bad reputation. Many priest just been covered up for, who should had been in jail

[GarryP]

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

As would faith and hope. Hoping there is something after has many living food lives. No hope would have many doing things they wouldn't do otherwise, killing people they didn't like, raping women because they can, and hurting others in countless ways. Raising children to believe isn't poisoning them but giving them hope. They can always decide what they want to do when they reach adulthood.

Now that's a load of <deleted>. You do not need to believe in any religion to be a moral and good person. When I die, I will be dead. I know that, but that gives me no impulse to do harm to others, steal things, be a tw@t, etc.

 

Look at the extremist muslims who certainly do believe in an afterlife and that killing others is a good thing and will get them a better afterlife than those who don't. Or is their god a lie, while yours is the truth? You can't have it both ways. The only way to do that would be to prove that your god exists, which you can't do.

 

Indoctrination in religious beliefs does more harm than good. 

[Quentin Zen]

If my old brain remembers correctly, churches are built and pay no taxes or get some crazy tax breaks in America.   Then they ask for money all week, but they gotta keep the lights on!!!!   It's such a big business, I can't take that stuff seriously.  Money and exploitation, but they do help the poor, generally do good for a community, and I think good for little kids (no contact, just in the congregation).   i won't protest to take them down, but if I was Trump, I would get that church money.   If I think they are a business, then I'm not buying what they are selling.  

 

Life after death?  90% no.  I think we all know this, and that's what gives us anxiety.  No life after death, but we are still here.  A person.  I think it's super important to treat kids the best, give more than take (when you get older, of course!! young kids like to take), and be proud of what you have accomplished.   No regrets.   We've all done bad stuff in the past, so just try to be a better person going forward.  

 

exercise, less beer, give more, laugh more, read more, do more......sleep better.    repeat.    One thing we know for sure, our current form won't come back, so at least try to have people think highly of you when you are gone.....  

[fredwiggy]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is an organization that is an magnet to potential abusers. And we also know there is often more cases that never will share daylight. 

 

Many cases has also been hidden by the church to avoid bad reputation. Many priest just been covered up for, who should had been in jail

I don't disagree but again, it's not the Catholic church that is doing this but certain priests. They get coverage about these crimes because of their status. If you research known pedophiles and in countries where they are registered, you'd be surprised how many live right near you.

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, GarryP said:

Now that's a load of <deleted>. You do not need to believe in any religion to be a moral and good person. When I die, I will be dead. I know that, but that gives me no impulse to do harm to others, steal things, be a tw@t, etc.

 

Look at the extremist muslims who certainly do believe in an afterlife and that killing others is a good thing and will get them a better afterlife than those who don't. Or is their god a lie, while yours is the truth? You can't have it both ways. The only way to do that would be to prove that your god exists, which you can't do.

 

Indoctrination in religious beliefs does more harm than good. 

 

4 minutes ago, GarryP said:

Now that's a load of <deleted>. You do not need to believe in any religion to be a moral and good person. When I die, I will be dead. I know that, but that gives me no impulse to do harm to others, steal things, be a tw@t, etc.

 

Look at the extremist muslims who certainly do believe in an afterlife and that killing others is a good thing and will get them a better afterlife than those who don't. Or is their god a lie, while yours is the truth? You can't have it both ways. The only way to do that would be to prove that your god exists, which you can't do.

 

Indoctrination in religious beliefs does more harm than good. 

I never said you had to believe in any religion or even God to be a good person. People twist religion to satisfy their agendas, knowing others follow like sheep if they think God wants them to do things wrong. Everyone has the same God. Some are true hypocrites and only use it for power. You don't have to belong to any religion to believe in God.

[novanova]

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That shows that many have done wrong. It isn't a pedophile organization and wouldn't exist if it was.

Rubbish.

 

That the Catholic Church has willfully and knowingly engaged in many thousands of instances of cover-ups of paedophilia and child abuse is hard fact.

 

Example: When i lived in NY (around 2000-2005) the police attempted to investigate many paedophile priests. The local church authorities went palms-up... those priests had left! Couldn't be found!

 

Then the truth came out... the Canadian paedophiles were being moved to the US, and the American paedophiles were being moved to Canada. All official, organised cover-ups.

 

Example: my mother (an atheist, of course - she had a brain) went to a convent. In 1942, the nuns bashed a girl to death. All covered-up, no prosecutions. After all, what are friends for?

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I don't disagree but again, it's not the Catholic church that is doing this but certain priests. They get coverage about these crimes because of their status. If you research known pedophiles and in countries where they are registered, you'd be surprised how many live right near you.

 

Oh, we had some teachers we suspected, and a few families, but I Came from a very safe and transparent environment when I was growing up, and later in life never  come across anyone as far I know. 

 

But I'm sure if we knew everything and everyone it would be a different picture. 

 

I still believe the church have huge dark numbers hanging above them.

 

The church as an institution have done alot harm against the humanity, especially indigenous people.

 

Also had a hand in politics, and also justify brutal wars as necessary. 

 

However I also see the positive some religious have done, and also with religion most people got the chance to study and educate themselves. Poor people who didn't have any rights or possibility to get an education because they where poor.

 

 

 

[novanova]

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 

I never said you had to believe in any religion or even God to be a good person. People twist religion to satisfy their agendas, knowing others follow like sheep if they think God wants them to do things wrong. Everyone has the same God. Some are true hypocrites and only use it for power. You don't have to belong to any religion to believe in God.

"Everyone has the same God"

 

What sort of fantasy-land do you live in?

[fredwiggy]

10 minutes ago, novanova said:

"Everyone has the same God"

 

What sort of fantasy-land do you live in?

Asking that, I could ask you the same thing.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Very few believes big bang came from nothing, if any, except those who want it to be something else. 

 

It was a chain reaction, and still is

I'm pretty sure they're now realizing that the "Big Bang" didn't happen exactly as advertised.  It's not as if the entire matter of the universe was at one time condensed down to the size of a basketball and then blew up.  It's something that happened everywhere, all at once.  And the current universe could be but one of many.  Or, the current universe could evolve in cycles.  

 

The most recent Webb telescope observations have discovered other universes, perhaps.  Or galaxies apparently older than the current universe.  It's upending traditional theory. 

[fredwiggy]

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

Oh, we had some teachers we suspected, and a few families, but I Came from a very safe and transparent environment when I was growing up, and later in life never  come across anyone as far I know. 

 

But I'm sure if we knew everything and everyone it would be a different picture. 

 

I still believe the church have huge dark numbers hanging above them.

 

The church as an institution have done alot harm against the humanity, especially indigenous people.

 

Also had a hand in politics, and also justify brutal wars as necessary. 

 

However I also see the positive some religious have done, and also with religion most people got the chance to study and educate themselves. Poor people who didn't have any rights or possibility to get an education because they where poor.

 

 

 

The church has also has missionaries who have taken chances with their lives, to spread the word of God, saving many souls from whatever damnation there might be. Every business has done harm and good, especially politics.