On 6/1/2025 at 8:25 AM, connda said:

However, this puts us on the brink of a nuclear war this evening. 

 

Some human beings are so miserable that they're secretly wishing for a nuclear war. 

 

12 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

It doesn't matter when it was "historically" Ukraine

Sure it does. Thanks for confirming your lack of historical knowledge

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Some human beings are so miserable that they're secretly wishing for a nuclear war. 

 

If you ask me it's a matter of greed and delusion. Big bucks are made from war and big bucks are at stake, no doubt about it.  And yet the same people trying to start this war are seemingly oblivious to the fact that if they succeed, all their efforts will be for naught. They can't hide in their bunkers forever. 

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraines-drone-attack-in-russia-shows-kyiv-felt-it-had-nothing-to-lose-13377952
ukr drones hit 40 aircraft

 

 

2 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

I'll disagree with both of you and say it doesn't matter.  Bombers are a legitimate military target in war.  There's no need to justify it, neither is there any need to cry "TERRORISM" when legitimate military targets (like bombers) are destroyed.

 

And here's my reminder that Putin intentionally, daily, routinely targets civilians, and the dread retaliation Mr. Dinsdale says is coming will, as always, 100% falls on civilians.

 

Keep this in mind:  Ukraine hits military aircraft and you guys call them terrorists, and Russia hits hospitals and you guys call them heroes.

This ain't WWII or the Vietnam war mate. The most effective bomb being used by Russia are the FAB's and they're being dropped by SU 34's from behind the front lines.

BTW how do you explain the bridges being blown up. One collapsing onto a train and the other with a train on it.

As for "you guys" let me point out once again (as I have to for the dimwitted every now and again) I just call it as I see it. No side taken. As for "intentionally, daily, routinely targets civilians" This is a bit of an overreach. Yes, civilians are killed. Are they directly targeted? This is another thing. There's such a thing in the international laws of war as legitimate targets and acceptable collateral damage i.e. killing non-combatants. Believe me my opinion on this war is it needs to stop and Putin is an rshole and so is Zelensky and so is the EU and so were the war mongers in the Biden administration.

20 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Sure it does. Thanks for confirming your lack of historical knowledge

You yourself know there are plenty of arguments on Ukraine's side, even if you like Russia's better.

 

What an utterly stupid reply, Yagoda.  For a guy who prides himself on being some kind of Ukrainian history expert, you sure lost the forest for the trees; plus my answer is completely correct.   Send in the clowns... nevermind, they're here 🤡🤡🤡

7 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It's an attack on Russia's nuclear strategic assets and hence could be viewed by the Kremlin as an attack on Russia's national security.

The attack was carried out exactly 29 years to the day after Ukraine handed over dozens of the same strategic bombers to Russia, along with up to 2,000 strategic nuclear warheads and 176 ICBMs in exchange for a promise not to be attacked, under the Budapest Memorandum.

6 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraines-drone-attack-in-russia-shows-kyiv-felt-it-had-nothing-to-lose-13377952
ukr drones hit 40 aircraft

 

The operation – codenamed Spiderweb – launched swarms of drones to strike four airfields, according to Ukraine’s SBU security service, which released video appearing to show jets in flames at the Belaya airbase in Siberia – over 2,600 miles from the Ukrainian front line

The damaged Russian aircraft included nuclear-capable Tu-95 and Tu-22 strategic bombers, which Moscow now uses to fire long-range missiles at Ukraine.

The strikes appear to be the most damaging Ukrainian drone attack in more than three years since Russia’s full-scale invasion. It would be a significant setback for Moscow with Ukrainian media reporting early damage estimates exceeding $2bn (£1.5bn).

The SBU launched the attack on the Siberian military base on Sunday, an SBU official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.

 

8 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraines-drone-attack-in-russia-shows-kyiv-felt-it-had-nothing-to-lose-13377952
ukr drones hit 40 aircraft

 

 

Poor man's Pearl Harbour.

2 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

The attack was carried out exactly 29 years to the day after Ukraine handed over dozens of the same strategic bombers to Russia, along with up to 2,000 strategic nuclear warheads and 176 ICBMs in exchange for a promise not to be attacked, under the Budapest Memorandum.

That's an interesting fact. Seem like it's been in the planning for around 18 months. I must say a very impressive plan and operation.

25 minutes ago, impulse said:

Don't you mean after the coup?  

The Communists' attempted coup failed -- that was 1991 dude.  Spectacular footage online.

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

You're right, but after a while, much of that subsided and history moved on. As for the "free speech" issue?  Probably still problematic, but then again, take a look at what the so-called USA Democrats were in the process of accomplishing. Free Speech?  Nope. Anything they didn't like was labeled "misinformation." They even wanted to establish a misinformation Czar, remember?  That project was shelved, at least temporarily, but they're still trying.  And  remember Hillary? Didn't she recently say something about re-education camps?  

 

Free speech is an issue in every country.  

 

Democrats were wrong to want to create a misinformation czar. The solution is more free speech.

 

But there is indeed lots of misinformation being spread by the likes of the MAGA crowd, Fox News (they got sued for it to the tune of almost $800 million), and the liar-in-chief himself.

I'm outta here. Another TV food fight.

Another thumbs down for above war map post. What a moron you are. A person posts almost up to date war maps with a neutral assessment and the response is a thumbs down from an anonymized idiot. Is it thumbs down because you think it's all propaganda and doesn't fit that intellectually stagnant organ between your ears? No man enough to actually reply? Pitiful.

24 minutes ago, jas007 said:

If you ask me it's a matter of greed and delusion. Big bucks are made from war and big bucks are at stake, no doubt about it.  And yet the same people trying to start this war are seemingly oblivious to the fact that if they succeed, all their efforts will be for naught. They can't hide in their bunkers forever. 

Notice how to the Socialists the USA is the great war monger, except in this one. Destabilization is part of the revolutionary playbook. 

The more I read about this operation the more my admiration for the Ukrainian forces grow. It was like something out of a James Bond movie.

And make no mistake, this is a very serious blow to Putin, militarily and politically.👍

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/01/europe/ukraine-drones-russia-airbases-intl

 

"The operation, more than a year and a half in the making, involved drones being smuggled into Russian territory and hidden in wooden mobile houses atop trucks, according to the security source. The roofs were then remotely opened, and the drones deployed to launch their strikes.
“The ‘office’ of our operation on Russian territory was located directly next to FSB headquarters in one of their regions,” Zelensky said on X."

 

50 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Thank god somebody tried to answerthe question. Please show us where strategic nuclear bombers are being used against Ukraine

 

Please show us the source of that allegation

 

Russia is a scumbag country run by a scumbag, fighting over their scumbag "breakaway" territory run by a scumbag in an area where all the mouth breathing scumbag eurotrash kill each over and over for ethnic reasons, if they arent killing jews first. 

 

None of you Ukraine fanboys know a whit about the history of this area, and how stupid Western policy was after the breakup of the Soviet Union.

"...mouth breathing scumbag eurotrash...."

 

Take a deep breath and maybe crank up the A/C a notch if you can afford it. Those hot flashes can hit hard I'm told.

21 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

You yourself know there are plenty of arguments on Ukraine's side, even if you like Russia's better.

Since what year, flamer?

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Since what year, flamer?

Can you point out the "flamer" bit please...........?  🤔

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

"...mouth breathing scumbag eurotrash...."

 

Take a deep breath and maybe crank up the A/C a notch if you can afford it. Those hot flashes can hit hard I'm told.

Hot flashes. What a childish flame from the head troll. By your avatar, you seem to be seeking ovaries more than I.

1 minute ago, transam said:

Can you point out the "flamer" bit please...........?  🤔

That's a tall ask. This poster sees flames everywhere.

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Poor man's Pearl Harbour.

 

Except for no ships, no island, no harbor, and no pearls. But most important, Putin is already deeply engaged of a horrific war of territorial aggression of his own making.  

 

So It more resembles a Hiroshima of drones. End stage finding out.

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Poor man's Pearl Harbour.

 

Except for no ships, no island, no harbor, and no pearls. But most important, Putin is already deeply engaged in a horrific war of territorial aggression of his own making.  

 

So It more resembles a Hiroshima of drones. End stage finding out.

53 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Which is why Ukraine insisted on "security guarantees". However, when Johnson flew in to tell Zelensky that the West would not support any deal with Russia it was clear that there would be no security guarantees, so Zelensky had no choice but to fight as Johnson asked him to.. Of course Johnson ended the peace deal.

 

Massive, and very prolongued peace negotiations that had gone into four rounds were abruptly ended 3 days after Zelensky welcomed Boris Johnson. 

 

You have to read the evidence like an adult. Very obviously Johnson ended the peace deal. Without security guarantees he knew Ukraine could not sign. Without Western backing it was impossible for Ukraine to sign.

 

Of course Zelensky has to make it look like a principled decision, Russia were war criminals, etc etc, but the crux of the matter obviously was that Johnson flew in precisely with the aim to abort the peace talks and to exhort Zelensky to fight Russia instead.  Zelensky's denials are not worth the paper they're written on. He just wants to make himself look good. He can hardly admit that he was railroaded by the West into war, can he?

 

The fact is there were long peace negotiations at the start of the war, when Russia offered to end the war if Ukraine would become neutral and forego NATIO, as well some territories Russia considered hers. Ukraine would have signed if they had received security guarantees, ie had the West backed the deal, but Johnson made clear the West would not. So Ukraine had no option but to fight. For obvious reasons Zelensky would not admit that is was happened, but the head of the Ukrainian delegation has admitted it.

 

"Elsewhere in the interview, Arakhamia brought up former U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson's surprise visit to Kyiv in April 2022. He said Johnson encouraged Ukraine to not "sign anything" with Russia and "just fight.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-offered-end-war-if-ukraine-dropped-nato-bid-kyiv-official-1847373

 

Seems you’ve served up a word salad of logical errors: post hoc, circular reasoning, cherry-picking, suppressed evidence, ad hominem, motive fallacy, false dilemma, appeal to certainty, and contextomy — all tossed together and served like it makes a coherent case.

• Assertions aren’t arguments. Repeating “very obviously” doesn’t make something true. That’s appeal to certainty — a shortcut for when evidence is missing.

• Sequence isn’t causation. Johnson visited. Talks ended. That’s post hoc — assuming A caused B just because B came after A. It’s a timestamp, not a chain of cause and effect.

• Assumptions aren’t proof. You start with “Zelensky must be lying,” then use that assumption to reject anything he says. That’s circular reasoning — the argument eats itself.

• Selective quoting isn’t analysis. You cherry-pick one line from Arakhamia, but ignore the part where he said Ukraine didn’t trust Russia and saw their offer as vague. That’s not oversight — that’s suppressed evidence.

• Ignoring Bucha isn’t strategy — it’s evasion. You skip over mass graves, civilian executions, and a collapse in trust like they’re background noise. That’s contextomy — removing what breaks your narrative.

• Speculating on motives isn’t a rebuttal. Claiming “Zelensky just wants to look good” is textbook ad hominem and motive fallacy — attacking the man because the facts don’t help you.

• False dilemmas don’t strengthen weak arguments. Saying Ukraine had “no choice” but to fight is a false dichotomy — as if public outrage, national will, and agency all vanished overnight.

If you’re going to claim someone “ended peace talks,” you need to show how — not just when.
 

You’re not making a case. You’re defending a belief — stitched together from selective fragments, imagined motives, and logic errors.
 

Until then, you’re not proving a thing — you’re just trying to put lipstick on a pig.

 

Going to be a long summer for Vladimir P. 

5 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Except for no ships, no island, no harbor, and no pearls. But most important, Putin is already deeply engaged of a horrific war of territorial aggression of his own making.  

 

So It more resembles a Hiroshima of drones. End stage finding out.

 

Hardly, Hiroshima was massive destruction on an impresssive scale, here a few planes caught a bit of fire. How is this in any way resembling Hiroshima?

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Except for no ships, no island, no harbor, and no pearls. But most important, Putin is already deeply engaged in a horrific war of territorial aggression of his own making.  

 

So It more resembles a Hiroshima of drones. End stage finding out.

"Except for no ships, no island, no harbor, and no pearls."

 

Au contraire. Lots and lots of pearls feverishly clutched by the Putin stooges on this forum.

5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

If you’re going to claim someone “ended peace talks,” you need to show how — not just when.

 

I did several times, by showing how the head of the Ukrainian delegation reported that Johnson came to visit Kiev to tell Zelensky not to sign and to fight, corroborated by several sources both from the US and Ukraine. Three days later the protracted peace talks were binned.

 

I note you have nothing further than word theatre.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Hardly, Hiroshima was massive destruction on an impresssive scale, here a few planes caught a bit of fire. How is this in any way resembling Hiroshima?

"Hiroshima of Drones"............🙄

19 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

The more I read about this operation the more my admiration for the Ukrainian forces grow. It was like something out of a James Bond movie.

And make no mistake, this is a very serious blow to Putin, militarily and politically.

Yes to the first bit (actually the SBU) but as for the second bit this will be a blow more to those who should have protected the assets than Putin but you're welcome to exist in your own little world.