13 minutes ago, jas007 said:

You're seriously asking me to post sources for an attack so secretly planned that Russia had no clue it was planned?

You are the one making you made it seem you knew what you were talking about

 

13 minutes ago, jas007 said:

And only NATO has the technical expertise to accomplish such an attack.

How do you know?

 

14 minutes ago, jas007 said:

So yes, for people intent on starting WWIII, it was a genius move.  

So you agree with me thats its a move by Zelinsky to involve us further

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I'm sure the US didn't like it. That much should be obvious. But I think we're now at a point where what's good and what's bad doesn't much matter.  The way you win WWIII is to not play the game.  Otherwise, everyone loses. 

When WW3 starts let us know.  And it'll be Russia that starts it.

37 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

These were not FPV drones. FPV drones are drones that use fibre optic cables which makes them immune to electronic counter measures. 

Just to be clear, not all FPV drones use fiber optic cables.  Just some of them and for special purposes, not without limitations.  

 

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Who said it would be Putin? 

 

What do you figure would have happened if one of those "nuclear capable" aircraft had been sitting on the tarmac fully armed and ready and gone "boom"?  I'm not confident in the safeguards that would prevent that from happening, much less the safeguards that would prevent an automatic nuclear response if it did.

 

I also think it strange that Zelensky does provocative stuff right after he meets with US warmongers.  Like right before that White House meeting where he was asked to leave...  And after meeting with numbnuts Graham.

 

 

Do you support Putin's invasion of Ukraine? 

4 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

"THE WEST IS SO AFRAID OF RUSSIA"

 

Of course. The Americans are terrified of Russia sending nukes their way. Why do you think they want a nuclear dome? That's the only reason America has not put boots on the ground in Russia, as they would have done if Russia were not a nuclear power.

 

Americans don't want to die. This is a very smart and sensible policy. Which is also followed by most Western countries, except French face slappee, who only talked but did nothing either.

 

The West is afraid of Russia's nuclear weapons. And rightly so.

 

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No but Ill fire one up while I respond. Tell us what tactical  purpose this attack served?

 

The constant imaginings of plots and conspiracies  are textbook indications of cannabis induced paranoia. Oher comments are so unhinged as to suggest a state of cannabis induced delirium. 

13 hours ago, rabas said:

Putin can stop the war any day he wants. Repeat often.

 

So can Zelensky.  See how that works?

 

4 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

When WW3 starts let us know.  And it'll be Russia that starts it.

 

No, if WW3 starts, it will definitely be Ukraine, Britain and the US that started it. Thankfully Trump, a man of peace, is in charge.

6 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

The main one, no casus belli. 

 

Lol, yes, that's why the US spent 8900000 billion USD on arming Ukraine. They have no interest in this war at all, do they?

 

Lol. You're one joker.

45 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Russia had to address the Ukraine problem to ensure it's own survival. NATO encroaching on the European plains further would have made Russia indefensible. For Russia a neutral Ukraine was a matter of existence but of course even Russia will not die for Ukraine, if the war should go really badly they woud just unpack the horror weapons and defeat Ukraine that way.  There is no need for that though since immediately  before this Ukrainian terrorist attack within Russia the Russian armed forces were winning  the real battles in Ukraine.

Made up reason. Why didn't they make a big stink about Finland  joining NATO after being non-aligned for years. A country with a longer border and a more powerful army.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, if WW3 starts, it will definitely be Ukraine, Britain and the US that started it. Thankfully Trump, a man of peace, is in charge.

Absolute nonsense.  Literally the ONLY PEOPLE who ever talk about nukes and WW3 are Russia and their Western simps.  THE ONLY PEOPLE.  This thread demonstrates it in spades.

 

Anytime Russia wants to end its third invasion of Ukraine, it can.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You are the one making you made it seem you knew what you were talking about

 

How do you know?

 

So you agree with me thats its a move by Zelinsky to involve us further

For what it's worth, I absolutely do know what I'm talking about. You can believe me, or not. 

 

I know NATO provided the targeting. That's no big secret. Ever hear of Palantir?  Ever hear of Starlink?  All the contracts are public information.  And if you understand how those companies work, you'll understand how they select targets.  

 

As for a move by Zelensky to "involve us further"?  Let me rephrase that for you. It was a move by NATO to involve Ukraine further.  They call it a proxy war for a reason. 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Lol, yes, that's why the US spent 8900000 billion USD on arming Ukraine. They have no interest in this war at all, do they?

 

Lol. You're one joker.

If you can't argue honestly, then please shut up.

2 minutes ago, jas007 said:

For what it's worth, I absolutely do know what I'm talking about. You can believe me, or not. 

I dont. But is seems you support nuclear war and obviously, UKraine.

14 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So can Zelensky.  See how that works?

 

But when he gives up: their country is annihilated, the gulags are set up, a puppet is installed, the FSB runs the country, the economy and political system are destroyed, thousands will be killed and the rest "re-educated."

 

When Russia gives up, it goes back to its own internationally recognized borders and the killing stops.

 

See how that works?  The peace of the slaughterhouse isn't much of a peace, for Ukrainians.

 

EDIT:  You can downvote this, but you know it's true.

14 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

 

Do you support Putin's invasion of Ukraine? 

Why do you keep asking that question over and over ?

 

I'm definitely on the Russian side.

It is the right and justified side.

Just feel sorry for innocent Ukranians that did not choose for this

provoked proxy war.

11 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

Do you support Putin's invasion of Ukraine? 

Yes of course he does.  As does Cameroni, etc.  But they will never admit it.  They only want peace, you see.  They only want to avoid WORLD WAR 3!

1 minute ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Yes of course he does.  As does Cameroni, etc.  But they will never admit it.  They only want peace, you see.  They only want to avoid WORLD WAR 3!

I just did 😋

10 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

 

Do you support Putin's invasion of Ukraine? 

 

Not at all.  Nor would I support the USA going in and taking Baja from Mexico.  But the Mexicans in Baja would benefit immensely if we did.

 

This isn't 1939 and a war of annihilation to make room for the Master Race.  Personally, I don't care what flag they salute. 

The war is over.  Has been for over 2 years.  It's time for the dying to stop and the rebuilding to start. Long past time.

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Russia has no intention to attack Finland, stop talking nonsense.

oh i am sure russia does not want to attempt to invade Finland.

What i meant was the fact that when Putin invaded The Ukraine it caused Finland and Sweden to join NATO.

That in itself caused Russia to have an even longer border with NATO.

At least one of the excuses for invading The Ukraine back fired on a giant scale.

 

 

7 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

Made up reason. Why didn't they make a big stink about Finland  joining NATO after being non-aligned for years. A country with a longer border and a more powerful army.

One of Putin's "victories" has been enlarging NATO.  Another one that I just learned this morning?  Getting Poland and the Baltics to withdraw from the Ottawa convention on land mines.  Turns out when your neighbor is a psychopath who continually invades you and its other neighbors... people take measures to protect themselves.

 

WINNING

1 minute ago, FlorC said:

I just did 😋

Yes you did!  Well done!  A rare honest man 🙂

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I dont. But is seems you support nuclear war and obviously, UKraine.

I'm not sure why you would think that matters this point, one way or the other. 

 

But for what it's worth, what makes you think I support nuclear war?  Quite the opposite, actually. There would be no winner. As for Ukraine? I feel sorry for Ukraine and its people. They're being used and abused. That's been the case for years.  Many don't seem to know that.  Many do, though.  

4 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

Russia is a paper Tiger. 

A paper tiger that as of now is defeating Ukraine. Reality is without massive support from the west Ukraine cannot win militarily. Some tanks here and there, some cruise missiles, some jets aint going to change the tide. If no agreement is made during the summer months the map is going to look a lot different. Already >100 km² has been taken in Sumy in around a week to ten days. The failed incursion into to the Kursk Oblast has all but disappeared (only around 5 km² now held out of what was once 1000 km² ) and the eastern front is continuing to move west. Can't see where you get "paper tiger" from. Maybe it was just a thought bubble without any rational thought behind it.

17 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The constant imaginings of plots and conspiracies  are textbook indications of cannabis induced paranoia. Oher comments are so unhinged as to suggest a state of cannabis induced delirium. 

Tell us what tactical purpose this attack served instead of the usual flaming we see from your crowd

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

A paper tiger that as of now is defeating Ukraine. Reality is without massive support from the west Ukraine cannot win militarily. Some tanks here and there, some cruise missiles, some jets aint going to change the tide. If no agreement is made during the summer months the map is going to look a lot different. Already >100 km² has been taken in Sumy in around a week to ten days. The failed incursion into to the Kursk Oblast has all but disappeared (only around 5 km² now held out of what was once 1000 km² ) and the eastern front is continuing to move west. Can't see where you get "paper tiger" from. Maybe it was just a thought bubble without any rational thought behind it.

 

Zelensky's reticence is forcing Putin to exceed his stated goal.  He was content with the pacifying the Donbas region.  Said so before the operation.  They could force him to go all the way to Kiev (and take Odessa).

 

22 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Just to be clear, not all FPV drones use fiber optic cables.  Just some of them and for special purposes, not without limitations.  

 

Agree. My mistake. 

14 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

Why didn't they make a big stink about Finland  joining NATO after being non-aligned for years. A country with a longer border and a more powerful army.

 

Because Russia has no interest to invade Finland whatsoever. Finland is not on the  great European plains which is a MUCH larger entry point than the Finnish border which is much easier to defend.

19 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So can Zelensky.  See how that works?

 

How? Complete capitulation?

Just now, mikebike said:

How? Complete capitulation?

 

By acknowledging that the war is over and has been for over 2 years.  Complete capitulation would be giving up Kiev and Odessa.  Which he may force Putin to take if he keeps sniping around the edges.

 

It's time for the dying to stop and the rebuilding to begin.