39 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Long time ago we managed to erradicate smallpox, but nothing since.

Except you forgot these also have all but disappeared (until anti-vaxers showed up) in USA:

Measles (2000)

Neonatal tetanus (2000)

Congenital rubella syndrome (2004)

Respiratory diphtheria (2009)

12 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Except you forgot these also have all but disappeared (until anti-vaxers showed up) in USA:

Measles (2000)

Neonatal tetanus (2000)

Congenital rubella syndrome (2004)

Respiratory diphtheria (2009)

Nonsense, measels has and is around in many places and never vanished, and the others on that list have only been erradicated in certain areas. This post is a huge pile of trolling freshy-laid steaming BS. Don't believe it, then Google each one... nothing to do with anti-vaxers.

18 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Except you forgot these also have all but disappeared (until anti-vaxers showed up) in USA:

Measles (2000)

Neonatal tetanus (2000)

Congenital rubella syndrome (2004)

Respiratory diphtheria (2009)

 

2 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Nonsense, measels has and is around in many places and never vanished, and the others on that list have only been erradicated in certain areas. This post is a huge pile of trolling freshy-laid steaming BS. Don't believe it, then Google each one... nothing to do with anti-vaxers.

As written my post referred to only USA.  There was not a single case of measles that was not imported into USA for several years, starting in 2000.  That means there was no measles virus circulating inside USA.   All cases were due to an infected person entering USA. That's why it was declared as eradicated inside USA.  The CDC took measles very seriously and tracked and traced the source of any cases.

 

No wonder you're confused.... your reading comprehension is subpar. 

21 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

 

As written my post referred to only USA.  There was not a single case of measles that was not imported into USA for several years, starting in 2000.  That means there was no measles virus circulating inside USA.   All cases were due to an infected person entering USA. That's why it was declared as eradicated inside USA.  The CDC took measles very seriously and tracked and traced the source of any cases.

 

No wonder you're confused.... your reading comprehension is subpar. 

This is a great example of how trolling ASEAN now is with some of the resident trolls.... so many times it's attack the poster and try to belittle them instead of disagreeing with the content of posts. This is unhealthy and a negative for the forum... fine if you disagree with the content, but no reason to attack the poster with personal insults. I know we can't say anything about moderation, but, well, okay. Another troll on the ignore list.

6 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

This is a great example of how trolling ASEAN now is with some of the resident trolls.... so many times it's attack the poster and try to belittle them instead of disagreeing with the content of posts. This is unhealthy and a negative for the forum... fine if you disagree with the content, but no reason to attack the poster with personal insults. I know we can't say anything about moderation, but, well, okay.

 

The problem, as ever, lies in the endless repetition: the regurgitated memes, the lazy copy-paste jobs from fringe websites, all devoid of credible sourcing or verification. This is the lifeblood of conspiracy theories - unfounded, unexamined, and unrelenting. Hence the need for this sub-forum: a sandbox for fringe thinking.

 

But what’s become unbearable is the sheer volume. The same tired nonsense recycled ad nauseam. How many times must we endure the same idiocy paraded as insight? The memes are stale, the arguments disingenuous, and the intent rarely more than noise. It’s not debate - it’s spam. Meme after misinformation after meme, all lobbed by those seemingly mentally incapable who believe they are free-thinkers.

 

Eventually, we have to stop being polite and call it what it is: idiocy.

 

And if you dare glance at the anti-vaxx threads, you’ll see the same predictable circle-jerk - four or five usual suspects high-fiving their own delusions. Any meaningful engagement is drowned out by the sheer volume of rubbish, so others, quite sensibly, no longer bother. It’s not a conversation; it’s an echo chamber, shrill and vacant.

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The problem, as ever, lies in the endless repetition: the regurgitated memes, the lazy copy-paste jobs from fringe websites, all devoid of credible sourcing or verification. This is the lifeblood of conspiracy theories - unfounded, unexamined, and unrelenting. Hence the need for this sub-forum: a sandbox for fringe thinking.

 

But what’s become unbearable is the sheer volume. The same tired nonsense recycled ad nauseam. How many times must we endure the same idiocy paraded as insight? The memes are stale, the arguments disingenuous, and the intent rarely more than noise. It’s not debate - it’s spam. Meme after misinformation after meme, all lobbed by those seemingly mentally incapable who believe they are free-thinkers.

 

Eventually, we have to stop being polite and call it what it is: idiocy.

 

And if you dare glance at the anti-vaxx threads, you’ll see the same predictable circle-jerk - four or five usual suspects high-fiving their own delusions. Any meaningful engagement is drowned out by the sheer volume of rubbish, so others, quite sensibly, no longer bother. It’s not a conversation; it’s an echo chamber, shrill and vacant.

Okay fine, attack the content until it goes away or is proven wrong, but no reason for personal insults... that's BS and something I don't do. I might say what someone says is BS, but I don't attack them personsally in a vicious way saying all sorts of judgemental things about them... as when you do that, you lose the argument.

5 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Okay fine, attack the content until it goes away or is proven wrong, but no reason for personal insults... that's BS and something I don't do. I might say what someone says is BS, but I don't attack them personsally in a vicious way saying all sorts of judgemental things about them... as when you do that, you lose the argument.

 

Personally, I judge each member on their individual merit. Even in the anti-vaxx threads, there are contributors who present well-reasoned arguments, supported by thorough research and offered in the spirit of intelligent discourse. I respect those posters, and I’m happy to engage with them. They're the ones worth debating - people from whom you can actually learn something even if the information is not something to be agreed with.

 

Then there are the others: the outright fools. The ones who endlessly regurgitate the same misleading, cherry-picked, half-baked nonsense. They don't even bother cleaning up the fragments they copy and paste from fringe websites - it’s just a wall of noise, stacked on top of more noise, all layered with misinformation.

 

They take slivers of truth, twist them out of shape, and use them to push narratives that are, at best, disingenuous, and at worst, dangerous. It's stupidity laced with ignorance, and the result is a toxic mess.

 

You might have a higher threshold for tolerating fools, but when someone appears to be deliberately trolling, or simply piling on misinformation to drown out any rational discussion, patience wears thin fast.

 

Try your hand at one of the 'flat earth' threads. See how long you last before thinking, “This person is an absolute idiot"...   I'm sure you'll find yourself posting how ridiculous the content is - and yes, that wouldn't be a personal attack, though its obvious such comments are made by complete fools. 

Guess we are done here.

54 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

This is unhealthy and a negative for the forum..

As is the whole topic!

42 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Okay fine, attack the content until it goes away or is proven wrong, but no reason for personal insults... that's BS and something I don't do. I might say what someone says is BS, but I don't attack them personsally in a vicious way saying all sorts of judgemental things about them... as when you do that, you lose the argument.

you clearly didn't read my post well.  I pointed that out.  LOL...  I read each post a couple of times before responding.  Initially I didn't and managed to embarrass myself.

3 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

I must refer you to Dr Daniel Roytas. A quote;

 

The claim that colds and flu are contagious, may be one of the greatest ever blunders of medical science. Prepare to be shocked as this book brings to life the buried data that can no longer be ignored.

 

Can You Catch a Cold.

or

www.CanYouCatchaCold.com

 

 

I Roytas your pen name?   You should be paying AN the going rate for advertising.  You're constantly flogging self-published rubbish and trying to pass it off as non-fiction.

8 minutes ago, DezLez said:

As is the whole topic!

I don't agree Sir. It is a great topic. One to make one think. It can also lead to debate.

 

Many people, some of them well known (not just to me), do not support the MSM narrative on vaccines. Which is basically the WHO and their government's narratives. It is right that we put their points across. 

 

The debates here could well mean that a person changes his/her mind about future vaccines for the family. And may encourage any who are not sure, to do their own research.

17 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

I Roytas your pen name?   You should be paying AN the going rate for advertising.  You're constantly flogging self-published rubbish and trying to pass it off as non-fiction.

Dr Roytas has recently wrote a best selling book. His research dives into 100+ years of experiments. And they put the strong case that it is extremely difficult to for one to pass an illness to someone that is well. Yet his findings are rubbished here on this thread.

 

These experiments were not some back-street, in the dark, events. Many were done by the US military; the US Navy particularly. Yet the pro-vaxxers here want to say his findings are not significant.

 

As @SirDude has pointed out, there is constant attack on posters, while debate, on the content of the posts, is sidelined.

 

Measles kills child amid declining vaccine rates

Alder Hey Children’s Hospital warns that infections are rising, with it treating 17 patients with the virus since June

Telegraph Reporters

13 July 2025 9:36am BST

A child in Liverpool has died after contracting measles, it has been reported.

The child, who has not been identified, was ill with measles and other health problems and receiving treatment at the Alder Hey Children’s Hospital.

Measles kills child amid declining vaccine rates

Alder Hey Children’s Hospital warns that infections are rising, with it treating 17 patients with the virus since June

Telegraph Reporters

13 July 2025 9:36am BST

A child in Liverpool has died after contracting measles, it has been reported.

The child, who has not been identified, was ill with measles and other health problems and receiving treatment at the Alder Hey Children’s Hospital.

2 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

This is a great example of how trolling ASEAN now is with some of the resident trolls.... so many times it's attack the poster and try to belittle them instead of disagreeing with the content of posts. This is unhealthy and a negative for the forum... fine if you disagree with the content, but no reason to attack the poster with personal insults. I know we can't say anything about moderation, but, well, okay. Another troll on the ignore list.

Measles kills child amid declining vaccine rates

Alder Hey Children’s Hospital warns that infections are rising, with it treating 17 patients with the virus since June

Telegraph Reporters

13 July 2025 9:36am BST

A child in Liverpool has died after contracting measles, it has been reported.

The child, who has not been identified, was ill with measles and other health problems and receiving treatment at the Alder Hey Children’s Hospital.

3 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Except you forgot these also have all but disappeared (until anti-vaxers showed up) in USA:

Measles (2000)

Neonatal tetanus (2000)

Congenital rubella syndrome (2004)

Respiratory diphtheria (2009)

Measles kills child amid declining vaccine rates

Alder Hey Children’s Hospital warns that infections are rising, with it treating 17 patients with the virus since June

Telegraph Reporters

13 July 2025 9:36am BST

A child in Liverpool has died after contracting measles, it has been reported.

The child, who has not been identified, was ill with measles and other health problems and receiving treatment at the Alder Hey Children’s Hospital.

3 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

Nonsense, measels has and is around in many places and never vanished, and the others on that list have only been erradicated in certain areas. This post is a huge pile of trolling freshy-laid steaming BS. Don't believe it, then Google each one... nothing to do with anti-vaxers.

Measles kills child amid declining vaccine rates

Alder Hey Children’s Hospital warns that infections are rising, with it treating 17 patients with the virus since June

Telegraph Reporters

13 July 2025 9:36am BST

A child in Liverpool has died after contracting measles, it has been reported.

The child, who has not been identified, was ill with measles and other health problems and receiving treatment at the Alder Hey Children’s Hospital.

3 hours ago, Sir Dude said:

Nonsense, measels has and is around in many places and never vanished, and the others on that list have only been erradicated in certain areas. This post is a huge pile of trolling freshy-laid steaming BS. Don't believe it, then Google each one... nothing to do with anti-vaxers.

Measles kills child amid declining vaccine rates

Alder Hey Children’s Hospital warns that infections are rising, with it treating 17 patients with the virus since June

Telegraph Reporters

13 July 2025 9:36am BST

A child in Liverpool has died after contracting measles, it has been reported.

The child, who has not been identified, was ill with measles and other health problems and receiving treatment at the Alder Hey Children’s Hospital.

Measles is back again and killing children in the UK and the USA.

Measles kills child amid declining vaccine rates

Alder Hey Children’s Hospital warns that infections are rising, with it treating 17 patients with the virus since June

Telegraph Reporters

13 July 2025 9:36am BST

A child in Liverpool has died after contracting measles, it has been reported.

The child, who has not been identified, was ill with measles and other health problems and receiving treatment at the Alder Hey Children’s Hospital.

Here's an extract from today's Daily Telegraph a very reputable newspaper. 

I remember a time when this forum would NOT ALLOW ANTI -VAXERS and CONSPIRACY THEORIST to take over the platform for their own. We used to have moral, principled moderators. But alas they have gone. Now we have a lunatic fringe of people obsessed with Trump

( Get over it! He won) And these antivax conspiracy theorists. ( Get over it. They work!)

How about something about Thailand but not another fight in Pattaya. 

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

As @SirDude has pointed out, there is constant attack on posters, while debate, on the content of the posts, is sidelined.

I criticized your post's content and the reputation of the authors you are always flogging.  That's well within the AN guidelines and is not an attack on your person.  You must have mentioned the Roytas book at least 6 times.

 

That seems to show a commercial intent, does it not?  I believe that intent contravenes AN guidelines and it should earn you a well deserved vacation... an owl would remember how that works.

An oldie but goodie (written almost 20 years ago) by Walter Last .   Nothing of importance here for most of the members......... but a few of the outsiders might enjoy reading this.

http://www.whale.to/a/last1.html

 

note:  those interested in detox/preventative cures ...... iodine is one i recommend

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Dr Suzzane Humphries.

Arsenic.

Mercury.

DDT.

Grandma Suzzanne is definitely spreading toxic information.... if she succeeds in bamboozling anyone into skipping vaccination she should suffer for her transgressions.

 

Arsenic does become toxic at a certain level.  I'm aware that the healthier types of rice that include the bran and the germ do contain higher levels of arsenic.

 

DDT is mostly banned already for agricultural use.  It can still enter the food chain but in much reduced quantities for decades now.

 

Do you  have links to peer reviewed studies linking these specific toxins to recent cases that are normally attributed to a viral infection?  Otherwise your oft-repeated claims are all just rumors.

 

No sane person is disputing that those are toxic chemicals.  But without data linking them to cases that knowledge is only tangential.

3 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The debates here could well mean that a person changes his/her mind about future vaccines for the family. And may encourage any who are not sure, to do their own research.

 

Which is why your repetitive copy and pasted misinformation must be countered - its dangerous if someone is stupid enough to pay attention to you - your information can get them or their family / children killed. 

 

Diseases which are preventable by Vaccines with Approximate CFR or severity if left Untreated / Unvaccinated (i.e. stiddles favourite line - "nature has the answers"....

 

Tetanus:

10–70% (higher in newborns and elderly)

Diphtheria:

5–10% (up to 20% in children under 5)

Pertussis (Whooping Cough):

1–4% in infants; <1% in older children/adults

Measles:

0.1–0.3% (up to 10% in malnourished populations)

Mumps:

: <0.1% (very rare, but can cause deafness/meningitis)

Rubella:

Rarely fatal in children; 20%+ chance of severe birth defects if pregnant mother infected

Polio:

~2–5% (paralytic cases), up to 70% in bulbar polio

Meningococcal disease:

10–15% (even with treatment; higher untreated)

Pneumococcal disease:

5–35% depending on severity and type

Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b):

3–6% (meningitis), up to 100% untreated

Hepatitis B:

~15–25% risk of death from liver disease long-term

Hepatitis A:

0.1–2% (higher in older adults)

Rabies:

~100% once symptoms begin

Yellow Fever:

20–50% (severe cases)

Tuberculosis (TB):

~15–50% (depending on form and access to care)

Rotavirus:

~2% in infants (can be much higher in low-resource areas)

Influenza (seasonal):

<0.1% overall; up to 5–10% in severe outbreaks

COVID-19:

~1–2% early pandemic; varies by age & comorbidities

HPV (Human Papillomavirus):

Very low acute CFR, but causes ~300,000+ cancer deaths/year

Cholera:

25–50% if untreated (mostly from dehydration)

The creator of human beings issued his decision on this health issue thousands of years ago.  All you have to do is read it.  And implement it.

 

He calls self mutilation in the name of health an abomination.  This is why a religious exemption for vaccination exists. 

 

Self mutilation in the name of health is a pagan practice that rears its ugly head periodically because it is so profitable.  The pagan's theory recommends self mutilation via slicing and piercing of human flesh, child sacrifice, and grotesque poisoning treatments.  Sound familiar?  For payment of course.  Sick patients who approve of the experts self mutilating theories are more profitable.

 

During those periods of abomination the Holy Bible and it's teachers were silenced as it cut into profits.   Sales and profits exploded higher with each approved mutilation.   Those knowledgable to the scam, who didn't inject poison in the name of health, are bad for business.

 

What is even better is we are all endowed innately with the ability to stay healthy.  The preposterous theories of viruses can be disposed of in the garbage can.

 

But you have to enter the spiritual world to access it.  Elijah provides good clues in 1 kings 17 and 18.  He drank of the Cherith brook, doused his alter with living water, and sacrificed the pagan bull of false theory with fire.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

I criticized your post's content and the reputation of the authors you are always flogging.  That's well within the AN guidelines and is not an attack on your person.  You must have mentioned the Roytas book at least 6 times.

 

That seems to show a commercial intent, does it not?  I believe that intent contravenes AN guidelines and it should earn you a well deserved vacation... an owl would remember how that works.

Yes, yes yes! But, did you read the book?

27 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Diseases which are preventable by Vaccines with Approximate CFR or severity if left Untreated.

I do not agree with you Sir.

 

I have not seen evidence that vaccines, any vaccines, can do anything but cause harm and suffering. You are pro-vaxx, I'm anti-vaxx.

 

But you are not willing to hear me out. When I quote my sources you rubbish them.

2 hours ago, rumak said:

An oldie but goodie (written almost 20 years ago) by Walter Last .   Nothing of importance here for most of the members......... but a few of the outsiders might enjoy reading this.

http://www.whale.to/a/last1.html

 

note:  those interested in detox/preventative cures ...... iodine is one i recommend

Thanks for that link. Read through the whole essay. For me one part stood out as especially worth highlighting; although there are quite a few. The whole thing was interesting to say the least.

 

"One of the methods increasingly used to denigrate natural therapies is for the pharmaceutical industry to finance shoddy research on natural remedies and then proclaim them to be ineffective or harmful. This is only partly intended to influence the general public but mainly to provide the justification for health authorities to outlaw and greatly restrict natural remedies."

 

Over the last 50years I have came across this over and over again. This trend started way back in the early 1900s, when natural medicine was outgunned by big money interests.

19 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Thanks for that link. Read through the whole essay. For me one part stood out as especially worth highlighting; although there are quite a few. The whole thing was interesting to say the least.

 

"One of the methods increasingly used to denigrate natural therapies is for the pharmaceutical industry to finance shoddy research on natural remedies and then proclaim them to be ineffective or harmful. This is only partly intended to influence the general public but mainly to provide the justification for health authorities to outlaw and greatly restrict natural remedies."

 

Over the last 50years I have came across this over and over again. This trend started way back in the early 1900s, when natural medicine was outgunned by big money interests.

 

"the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil" ....

 

and......."outgunned"  is an apt description concerning the subject of natural "health care".

 

6 hours ago, rumak said:

 

"the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil" ....

 

and......."outgunned"  is an apt description concerning the subject of natural "health care".

 

 

Indeed!

 

When all said and done the reason Big Pharma took over, and has remained in control of world health, is because of the love of money.

 

As was pointed out continuously in the link you posted; any opposition is ruthlessly squashed. However, some years later, some research is revisited and given a new lease of life. But only, it seems, if the white-coats deem it in their interest.