USA Obama Warns U.S. Teeters on Edge of Autocracy While Urging Hope and Civic Unity

[Wrwest]

40 minutes ago, Terry Juhlin said:

 

Sorry but there are 27 Amendments in the U.S. Constitution that cannot be ignored, revoked or denied. Take a look at Europe and see all the restrictions that have been placed on their residents. Name another country in the world that has  (1) Freedom of Speech, Freedom to Assemble 2.  The Right to Keep and Bear Arms 4. Unreasonable Search and Seizure Etc. Etc Etc.

 

Name another country in the world that has a Bill of Rights that offers the Freedom that all Americans have? 

Wow! You want to completely ignore your #1 and #4 not being directly challenged by the trump administration currently? This is one American who will not be entering the USA to have my electronic devices "searched" for information. What happened to your #3?

[Thingamabob]

One thing clearly going well for Obama is that Michelle still looks good in a skirt.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Tolerance and freedom of speech are the pillars of democracy and Trump has violated these essential democratic components with heavy-handedness, overeach and often illegal. Authoritarian regimes typically do not tolerate dissent or freedom of speech. Trump's regime is exhibiting those authoritarian characteristics. The free world support principles and beliefs associated with liberal democracies. Those were the values that was once American values too. Not now but fortunatey those who normalize Trump's authoritarian behavior are in the minority. 

Tolerance isn't opening the border and allowing criminals into the country and then supporting them with taxpayer money. Freedom of speech? You must be kidding after the Biden years during Covid. Censorship and the denial of freedom of speech was front and centre. Not tolerating dissent? You mean like protecting federal employees from rioters and anti-ICE protestors. Liberal democracy? There was an election. Trump won.

Exactly what are the authoritarian characteristics you talk about? People have the right to lawfully protest. The press is free albeit a large part of it is funded by the left. People can vote. There's freedom of speech. Censorship has been lifted. Political opposition isn't suppressed. There's freedom of religion. The streets aren't controlled by the army no matter what the left tries to depict. There's freedom of movement and freedom of assembly. There is separation of power unlike the lawfare waged under Biden but there is interference from activist leftist judges .............etc.

So now it's your turn to list how Trump is violating liberal democratic principles. You simply parrot the loony left rhetoric.

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, hotsun said:

No he couldnt, because hes dumb

Obama is not dumb. He is reasonably bright, it’s just that he’s a leftist. 

 

 

[hotsun]

Just now, mogandave said:

Obama is not dumb. He is reasonably bright, it’s just that he’s a leftist. 

 

 

If he were smart he would have bowed out of the limelight as soon as his term ended

[mikeymike100]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

In fairness, Trump won the election with the quarter of billion help from Elon. He practically won it for Trump. 

In fairness, Harris raised 1.6x more overall, 2.5x more by campaign committee. 

Kamala Harris Campaign: Raised $2.9 billion total, $997.2 million by campaign committee.

Donald Trump Campaign: Raised $1.8 billion total, $388 million by campaign committee.

So if money was a factor, Kamala should of won?????

Money didn’t overcome voter discontent, bias, or Trump’s messaging.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Terry Juhlin said:

 

Sorry but there are 27 Amendments in the U.S. Constitution that cannot be ignored, revoked or denied. Take a look at Europe and see all the restrictions that have been placed on their residents. Name another country in the world that has  (1) Freedom of Speech, Freedom to Assemble 2.  The Right to Keep and Bear Arms 4. Unreasonable Search and Seizure Etc. Etc Etc.

 

Name another country in the world that has a Bill of Rights that offers the Freedom that all Americans have? 

Each country has their constitution reflecting the social and political character of their country.

 

All constitutions have freedom of speech, arms and elements of the US constitution  but the implementations are different in accordance to their constitution and legal framework. 
 

That said, Trump trampled on US constitution like revoking birthright citizenship, freezing federal spending, deploying military forces and illegal deportation based on their political views among many other non constitutional acts.

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Each country has their constitution reflecting the social and political character of their country.

 

All constitutions have freedom of speech, arms and elements of the US constitution  but the implementations are different in accordance to their constitution and legal framework. 
 

That said, Trump trampled on US constitution like revoking birthright citizenship, freezing federal spending, deploying military forces and illegal deportation based on their political views among many other non constitutional acts.

Which of these examples have been proven unconstitutional?

 

 

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, mikeymike100 said:

In fairness, Harris raised 1.6x more overall, 2.5x more by campaign committee. 

Kamala Harris Campaign: Raised $2.9 billion total, $997.2 million by campaign committee.

Donald Trump Campaign: Raised $1.8 billion total, $388 million by campaign committee.

So if money was a factor, Kamala should of won?????

Money didn’t overcome voter discontent, bias, or Trump’s messaging.

And why was the left not concerned about Zuckerberg dumping half a billion into the 2020 election to put Biden into office?

[Dave0206]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

More irony here, Obamas deportation record.

 

 

The Obama administration deported a record 438,421 unauthorized immigrants in fiscal year 2013, continuing a streak of stepped up enforcement that has resulted in more than 2 million deportations since Obama took office, newly released Department of Homeland Security data show.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/

Yes he deported plenty but that didn't suit the right wing you must remember he had the audacity to wear a beige suit

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Which of these examples have been proven unconstitutional?

 

 

All of those mentioned have been ruled by judges to be unconstitutional. His modus operani is to appeal. 

[Eric Loh]

20 minutes ago, mogandave said:

And why was the left not concerned about Zuckerberg dumping half a billion into the 2020 election to put Biden into office?

Didn't happen which was why no campaign finance charge was levied by the GOP.

[chondan]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Tolerance isn't opening the border and allowing criminals into the country and then supporting them with taxpayer money. Freedom of speech? You must be kidding after the Biden years during Covid. Censorship and the denial of freedom of speech was front and centre. Not tolerating dissent? You mean like protecting federal employees from rioters and anti-ICE protestors. Liberal democracy? There was an election. Trump won.

Exactly what are the authoritarian characteristics you talk about? People have the right to lawfully protest. The press is free albeit a large part of it is funded by the left. People can vote. There's freedom of speech. Censorship has been lifted. Political opposition isn't suppressed. There's freedom of religion. The streets aren't controlled by the army no matter what the left tries to depict. There's freedom of movement and freedom of assembly. There is separation of power unlike the lawfare waged under Biden but there is interference from activist leftist judges .............etc.

So now it's your turn to list how Trump is violating liberal democratic principles. You simply parrot the loony left rhetoric.

Exactly.  Well said.   It really sucked under Biden.  I questioned Biden's competence on the net in 2019 and was thrown off facebook.  "Fake news"  And MPLS, MN went from nice to a complete $hit hole during his reign.

[mogandave]

3 hours ago, Wrwest said:

Wow! You want to completely ignore your #1 and #4 not being directly challenged by the trump administration currently? This is one American who will not be entering the USA to have my electronic devices "searched" for information. What happened to your #3?

Kiddy porn?

[mogandave]

12 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

Yes he deported plenty but that didn't suit the right wing you must remember he had the audacity to wear a beige suit

I remember the left howling about Hegseth’s blue suit. 

 

The Obama Administration redefined turn-arounds to be counted as deportations. 

[blaze master]

5 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Kiddy porn?

 

One could always get citizenship in another country and then revoke their American citizenship.

 

 

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

 

One could always get citizenship in another country and then revoke their American citizenship.

 

 

But then the welfare checks stop

[dinsdale]

21 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

All of those mentioned have been ruled by judges to be unconstitutional. His modus operani is to appeal. 

By which judges though. It's absolutely clear to all that lawfare was used against Trump and now he's in office it's activist district court judges making rulings. Surely in a democratic system there is the right to appeal. How many of the appeals have been successful? Doesn't say much for the original rulings by leftists activist judges. 

[BangkokReady]

13 hours ago, Social Media said:

the country is “dangerously close to normalizing behavior” characteristic of authoritarian regimes

 

Stopping riots and looting, the true mark of an authoritarian regime.

[BangkokReady]

13 hours ago, Social Media said:

Obama also pointed to the widening gap between fact and fiction in American politics

 

Glad he's highlighting the state of the left-wing and MSM!

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Airalee said:

How much did Kamala spend?

Obviously not as much as Elon Musk.

[mogandave]

32 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

All of those mentioned have been ruled by judges to be unconstitutional. His modus operani is to appeal. 

Ruled by district judges and on appeal.

 

It seems the president has qualified legal advisors that believe what he is doing is constitutional. 

 

But per you, one judge, regardless of how biased they might be, should be the end of it.

 

If Gavin Newsom wants to allow looters and rioters to attack ICE officers, the President should be barred from doing anything to stop them. 

 

If a university president allows foreign students to commit mayhem on campus assaulting other students, and vandalizing buildings and statues, the president of the United States should be barred from doing anything to stop them. 

 

 

[mogandave]

11 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Obviously not as much as Elon Musk.

False

[mogandave]

18 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Glad he's highlighting the state of the left-wing and MSM!

Virtually no one believes anything the MSM says any longer.

 

The NYT, one the paper of record, has become’s the left’s Pravda. 

[mogandave]

43 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Didn't happen which was why no campaign finance charge was levied by the GOP.

Zuck did not dump half a billion into the 2020 election? 

 

 

[NoDisplayName]

14 hours ago, Social Media said:

Former President Barack Obama has voiced grave concerns about the direction of American democracy, warning that the country is “dangerously close to normalizing behavior” characteristic of authoritarian regimes.

 

Well, if it isn't the guy that executive ordered the execution of American citizens by drone strike without trial, warning us of the dangers of an authoritarian regime!

 

He gots bigger balls than Michael.

 

[NoDisplayName]

43 minutes ago, mogandave said:

It seems the president has qualified legal advisors that believe what he is doing is constitutional. 

 

"Legal advisors" are just lawyers paid to say what you want them to say.

 

had his legal whores to write up a memo making torture legal.

 

[0ffshore360]

6 hours ago, mogandave said:

Then hopefully, the free world will support the right in the coming midterms.

 

Why does the left claim to support democracy, but the never want to vote on any of their positions, like transing kids and open borders?

 

Why does the left not call a vote on whether people should be allowed to loot and riot and attack police and ICE officers? 

 

Why not vote on men in girls’s showers and sports? 

 

 

I find it odd to see someone  defend autocracy as a bastion of democratic principles .

Do those who identify as "left leaning" actually advocate transing kids as a political partisan ideology or unconditionally welcome open borders  or is that simple disingenuous  counter partisan propaganda you mindlessly subscribe to?

Is it socially advantageous to encourage unrestricted  autocracy that will eventuate in dictatorship not dissimilar to that of Iran or Afghanistan ?

Personally I have no objections to the limitation of legal recognitions pertaining to distortions of social norms any less than to witnessing the infiltration of fringe evangelical influences within the Oval Office .(Paula W ?)

Political extremism is a danger in all and any direction.

 

 

 

 

 

[mogandave]

40 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

"Legal advisors" are just lawyers paid to say what you want them to say.

 

had his legal whores to write up a memo making torture legal.

 

Clearly you know nothing about the legal system in the US

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Clearly you know nothing about the legal system in the US

 

A set of legal memoranda known as the "Torture Memos" were drafted by John Yoo as Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the United States and signed in August 2002 by Assistant Attorney General Jay S. Bybee, head of the Office of Legal Counsel of the United States Department of Justice. They advised the Central Intelligence Agency, the United States Department of Defense, and the president on the use of enhanced interrogation techniques—mental and physical torment and coercion such as prolonged sleep deprivation, binding in stress positions, and waterboarding—and stated that such acts, widely regarded as torture, might be legally permissible under an expansive interpretation of presidential authority during the "War on Terror. Wikipedia

 

Fun fact!

 

Gestapo chief Mueller wrote a similar memo authorizing "Verschaerfte Vernehmung", literally "enhanced interrogation," that allowed for many of the same techniques.