The average IQ in Thailand is 89

NorthernRyland · Sunday at 03:27 AM

45 minutes ago, Ebumbu said:

So, as I understand you, you believe that certain races are intellectually inferior to White people, such as "people of color" in general. That seems like Africans, South Americans, Central Americans and others who have dark skin. Yes?

And, you believe that selective breeding of humans (eugenics) is a reasonable solution given the first point. Have I summarized your position accurately? If not, please correct me about your views.

Isn't that what we see? Why are they dropping the test requirements for certain races and not others? as others pointed out the Asian students don't have this problem.

Humans are still animals. If monkeys and dogs have different intelligences then the same can be true for human populations.

Ebumbu · Sunday at 03:42 AM

1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

Isn't that what we see? Why are they dropping the test requirements for certain races and not others? as others pointed out the Asian students don't have this problem.

Humans are still animals. If monkeys and dogs have different intelligences then the same can be true for human populations.

Your image claims there are no races. But your arguments are about the superiority of certain races. And you will answer no questions directly. So, reasoned debate become impossible. I'll try again.

Are you aware of the eugenics movement and would you say your ideas align with theirs? They seem to. But, when challenged, you post an analogy about dogs. Yes, dogs have breeds. Different breeds are not different races. How does that relate to human races? Would you plainly share your views on these race-related questions without being metaphorical?

- Is there a White race? Is the White race superior?

- Is there a Black race? How can we define it? What's the metric by which we can determine one's race? Do Blacks have lower IQs?

- Can someone appear to be White but actually be Black and vice versa? Do we need to check their DNA?

- Are Jews White?

- What race are you? Can you prove it?

- Is selective breeding of superior races a good idea or a bad idea?

- Putting aside the atrocities, was Hitler misunderstood in some ways?

- Did the Holocaust actually happen? I know there has been some debate about this. Where do you come down?

Let's speak plainly and avoid metaphor so we can understand and share knowledge.

Watawattana · Sunday at 04:09 AM

17 hours ago, LosLobo said:

You’re adding up districts that are already included in Hong Kong's total.

Hong Kong SAR is one city-region, not a collection of cities.

Kowloon, Tsuen Wan, Yuen Long, etc., aren’t separate cities — they’re parts of the city of Hong Kong SAR.

The site calls them “cities” for simplicity, but that’s misleading — they’re not cities, just districts within one city-region.

Hong Kong’s population is ~7 million — not 9.

That's exactly my point. Thank you for confirming and understanding my point.

NorthernRyland · Sunday at 04:19 AM

30 minutes ago, Ebumbu said:

Your image claims there are no races. But your arguments are about the superiority of certain races. And you will answer no questions directly. So, reasoned debate become impossible. I'll try again.

No you missed the point. It's mocking the idea that races don't exist and shows the double standard we apply to humans and not animals.

Sorry I'm not going to go through your list and confess to though crimes.

I'll just say this, I don't care what anyones IQ, I'm just saying not everyone is the same and not all populations are the same. That's just how the world appears to be so prepare accordingly.

Ebumbu · Sunday at 04:34 AM

1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

No you missed the point. It's mocking the idea that races don't exist and shows the double standard we apply to humans and not animals.

Sorry I'm not going to go through your list and confess to though crimes.

I'll just say this, I don't care what anyones IQ, I'm just saying not everyone is the same and not all populations are the same. That's just how the world appears to be so prepare accordingly.

What double standard does the image mock? Your posts are full of innuendo, but you won't clearly state your premises. We're supposed to understand -- by dog whistle.

Each of the dogs in your image is a separate breed. They can mate with other dog breeds. They are not separate races, but they are separate breeds. I have no idea what you are implying with the dog image, and you won't tell me.

But I understand you are literally a racist (eugenicist): meaning you place a great deal of importance on the idea of race -- even if you can't define how many races there are and how to test for race. You believe race should be considered when structuring our societies. You believe race should be involved when decided who our leaders should be. Feel free to correct me.

Let's assume you're right. So, to start, how many races are there? Let's start by naming them. Since races exist, we can number and identify them. Please share the race list with me. I lost my copy.

If I ask you to define race, or if I ask you how what metric can help us to identify which race a person belongs to, you post dog pictures. This is called arguing in bad faith. Lots of innuendo. Citations to prove a premise that is never clearly articulated.

Just remember: The United States is projected to become a "minority white" country around 2045, according to estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau. This projection is based on demographic trends, where the white population is expected to decline as a percentage of the total population, while the Hispanic, Black, Asian, and multiracial populations continue to grow. I hope you live to see it.

Yellowtail · Sunday at 04:36 AM

48 minutes ago, Ebumbu said:

Your image claims there are no races. But your arguments are about the superiority of certain races. And you will answer no questions directly. So, reasoned debate become impossible. I'll try again.

Are you aware of the eugenics movement and would you say your ideas align with theirs? They seem to. But, when challenged, you post an analogy about dogs. Yes, dogs have breeds. Different breeds are not different races. How does that relate to human races? Would you plainly share your views on these race-related questions without being metaphorical?

- Is there a White race? Is the White race superior?

- Is there a Black race? How can we define it? What's the metric by which we can determine one's race? Do Blacks have lower IQs?

- Can someone appear to be White but actually be Black and vice versa? Do we need to check their DNA?

- Are Jews White?

- What race are you? Can you prove it?

- Is selective breeding of superior races a good idea or a bad idea?

- Putting aside the atrocities, was Hitler misunderstood in some ways?

- Did the Holocaust actually happen? I know there has been some debate about this. Where do you come down?

Let's speak plainly and avoid metaphor so we can understand and share knowledge.

I do not believe you want to "speak plainly and avoid metaphor so we can understand and share knowledge.".

But if you do, please explain why apparently "At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam", even though they spend $22.424 per student and the median household income is $59,623.

To be clear, I do not for a moment believe it is because the majority of students are black and or poor.

Ebumbu · Sunday at 04:42 AM

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But if you do, please explain why apparently "At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam", even though they spend $22.424 per student and the median household income is $59,623.

I have no knowledge of this provincial issue. Any answer I might give would be a guess. But, in life, I've learned that many issues that seem simple at first glance are often multifactorial. When I need to solve a complex problem, I check that I'm not engaging in binary thinking. Life is rarely black and white. And Thailand, which we all cherish and love, is the epitome of "gray area" or ambiguity. You know the contradictions here -- I don't need to state them. It's a great place to learn to break out of binary thinking. Mai ben rai!

MarkBR · Sunday at 05:11 AM

2 hours ago, Ebumbu said:

So, as I understand you, you believe that certain races are intellectually inferior to White people, such as "people of color" in general. That seems like Africans, South Americans, Central Americans and others who have dark skin. Yes?

And, you believe that selective breeding of humans (eugenics) is a reasonable solution given the first point. Have I summarized your position accurately? If not, please correct me about your views.

One seemingly unrelated question, but it is relevant: are you of Irish descent? What is your ancestry? Has it been checked genetically? Let's make it interesting.

I am sure we can guess at NotherR6land's IQ score.😁

Yellowtail · Sunday at 05:14 AM

2 minutes ago, MarkBR said:

I am sure we can guess at NotherR6land's IQ score.😁

Can anyone not guess at anyone's IQ?

TroubleandGrumpy · Sunday at 05:32 AM

16 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

Do you understand that people from the same FAMILY and who went to the same schools have different IQ? It's at least 50% genetic and varies by population groups too for this reason.

The IQ test has nothing to do with where you were born and what family you are in. It was designed for kids - to identify the smart ones from the idiots. Many times there are brothers or sisters and one is a Tradie/Cleaner and the other is a Doctor/Lawyer. Genetics is only a small part of the IQ test results - otherwise of course brothers and sister would all be the same IQ. Education is the single biggest factor that affects IQ test results. That does not mean all kids all learn the same at the same school - some will want to learn and will work, and some do not and would rather party, screw or get some drugs. That is one reason why Asians who have been to schools in the West have a higher IQ that other groups - it is not genetic it is because they tend to be better focused on doing well at school - or they get beaten by their parents 🙂

TroubleandGrumpy · Sunday at 05:39 AM

16 hours ago, ukrules said:

That's nonsense. Your IQ is largely fixed late in adolescence, it's a measure of cognitive potential, nothing more and certainly not education.

Back when I was at school they made us all do an IQ test, this was in the 80s when we were 15 or 16 years old depending on when in the academic year you were born.

After about this age your IQ will generally not change much if at all. You might be able to spend your time practicing IQ test type questions and get better at the tests but that doesn't change anything other than your ability to do those type of quizzes.

I remember we were told during the test that there are many more questions that we can possibly answer in the alloted time - likely about an hour and that's how it's designed - they said don't allow yourself to get stuck on one question - if you don't know it and can't figure it out just leave it blank and move on to the next question.

I guarantee you that you are talking 'moonshine' mate. I want you to think about this - just for a minute - it wont hurt mate - I promise. Imagine you had never been to school at all and could not read or write - and that you did not know about not getting stuck on one question - and other things that you knew - how well would you have done in that IQ test when you were young?? Being educated gives you the ability to do better in IQ tests than not being educated - end of story. Someone with a decent brain who has not been educated at all will not do as well at an IQ test as an idiot that has been educated. That is my point - IQ test result are inherently biased towards those that have been educated - and it is not a true test of thinking ability or memory recall or rational and logical thought processes.

NorthernRyland · Sunday at 01:57 PM

8 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

The IQ test has nothing to do with where you were born and what family you are in. It was designed for kids - to identify the smart ones from the idiots. Many times there are brothers or sisters and one is a Tradie/Cleaner and the other is a Doctor/Lawyer. Genetics is only a small part of the IQ test results - otherwise of course brothers and sister would all be the same IQ. Education is the single biggest factor that affects IQ test results. That does not mean all kids all learn the same at the same school - some will want to learn and will work, and some do not and would rather party, screw or get some drugs. That is one reason why Asians who have been to schools in the West have a higher IQ that other groups - it is not genetic it is because they tend to be better focused on doing well at school - or they get beaten by their parents 🙂

You must think brains are like computers and if you load the same software on two brains you get the same output. Parents can't even raise their kids to be exactly the same, they have unique personalities and traits. Is this not variance in the human brain?

I don't think you're aware but there's been much science done on IQ and intelligence. No one thinks the genetics contribute zero. It's the same as any trait like hair color or height. Here's a random example:

https://www.psypost.org/groundbreaking-study-reveals-the-impact-of-genetics-on-iq-scores-over-time/

NorthernRyland · Sunday at 02:11 PM

9 hours ago, Ebumbu said:

What double standard does the image mock? Your posts are full of innuendo, but you won't clearly state your premises. We're supposed to understand -- by dog whistle.

How many more times do I need to say I think IQ is largely genetic and varies by population groups. This is well documented science. If you want to deny races exist and genetics have any impact on peoples minds then fine, I've said enough.

9 hours ago, Ebumbu said:

Just remember: The United States is projected to become a "minority white" country around 2045, according to estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau. This projection is based on demographic trends, where the white population is expected to decline as a percentage of the total population, while the Hispanic, Black, Asian, and multiracial populations continue to grow. I hope you live to see it.

The white population is declining every year now so there's no stopping the Brazilification now. The historic American nation is basically dead at this point. I'm watching that country crash and burn from Thailand and there's nothing I can do about it so I stopped caring.

Ebumbu · Sunday at 02:32 PM

7 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

The white population is declining every year now so there's no stopping the Brazilification now. The historic American nation is basically dead at this point. I'm watching that country crash and burn from Thailand and there's nothing I can do about it so I stopped caring.

You have finally made a declarative statement rather than an innuendo. Thank you. You've made it clear that Whiteness is critically important to future of the US. You are watching your country "die" as Whites become the minority. So, it becomes imperative to know:

1) How do we identify who is White? This is the crux of the matter! We must save our country! What is the Whiteness test? The future of our great nation is at stake. DNA test? Just an eyeball test? What happens if some Black looks White and sounds White? What a dilemma. Shall we see if they can play tennis? Help me out. What's the definitive test for Whiteness? Otherwise, the whole race thing falls apart, and that is unacceptable!

2) How many races are there? Please supply the list ASAP! What are the names of the races? And again, how do we identify them? I have some creative ideas. Hear me out: Dogs have breeding papers. If it's a reputable breeder, we can trust that the breed is legitimate. Perhaps we institute that for all US citizens. Whites need to be certified by their breeder. I'm just trying to brainstorm with you.

NorthernRyland · Sunday at 02:33 PM

9 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

But if you do, please explain why apparently "At 13 Baltimore City high schools, zero students tested proficient on 2023 state math exam", even though they spend $22.424 per student and the median household income is $59,623.

To be clear, I do not for a moment believe it is because the majority of students are black and or poor.

People have been trying to explain this for years. This is from 1998. It's a combination of many things and still there is no change today and no solutions.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-black-white-test-score-gap-why-it-persists-and-what-can-be-done/

NorthernRyland · Sunday at 02:41 PM

3 minutes ago, Ebumbu said:

You have finally made a declarative statement rather than an innuendo. Thank you. You've made it clear that Whiteness is critically important to future of the US. You are watching your country "die" as Whites become the minority. So, it becomes imperative to know:

I don't need to define white and who the European people are. I'm done playing this game "if you can't define white to my liking then white people don't exist and you can be replaced". It's so tiresome.

If the Thai people are replaced with Indians and Russians then reduced to a minority, Thailand ceases to exist. Do I need to define what a Thai person is for you to understand what this means for the country? Of course not.

Ebumbu · Sunday at 03:07 PM

6 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

I don't need to define white and who the European people are. I'm done playing this game "if you can't define white to my liking then white people don't exist and you can be replaced". It's so tiresome.

If the Thai people are replaced with Indians and Russians then reduced to a minority, Thailand ceases to exist. Do I need to define what a Thai person is for you to understand what this means for the country? Of course not.

The idea of cultural or ethnic "purity" is a myth that doesn't hold up when you review the history of human migration, mixing, and interbreeding. Even in places that are considered "homogeneous" today, such as many African nations, there has been a long history of intermarriage that wrecks any notion of purity. This is true for every population on Earth.

Humans have been migrating and intermingling for tens of thousands of years. From early human ancestors migrating out of Africa -- and through millennia of trade, war, and conquest, people have mixed across borders and continents.

Genetic diversity within your beloved Europe is immense, and there’s no single genetic marker that identifies someone as “White” in a definitive way. Europe’s population has been shaped by migration, invasion, and cultural exchanges for thousands of years. This had led to genetic overlap between groups that we now define as "White" totally scrambled with the DNA of others who were not considered White. This continues as we speak.

And, as the world becomes smaller due to the availability of air travel, this trend of intermarriage will render your vaunted White purity meaningless in every sense, including visually. It's already meaningless in any scientific sense. There's more genetic diversity between Africans than there is between Africans and Europeans. How can that be? Well, the entire human race migrated from the African continent. In this sense, we are all Africans.

“The genetic diversity within Africa is greater than that found within the rest of the world combined.”
— Sarah Tishkoff, geneticist, University of Pennsylvania

“The level of genetic variation within any population is large, but it is largest within African populations... Most variation (85%) occurs within populations, not between them.”

— Cavalli-Sforza, L.L., Menozzi, P., Piazza, A. (1994). The History and Geography of Human Genes. Princeton University Press.

“Studies of DNA show that all humans are 99.9% genetically identical. Of the small amount of variation, 85–90% occurs within populations, not between racial groups. The greatest genetic diversity is found within Africa.”

— International Human Genome Sequencing Consortium (2001). Nature.

“The observation that there is more genetic variation within Africa than outside it has been repeated across dozens of studies. Africans are, in this sense, the most genetically diverse people on Earth.”

— Editorial. (2004). Nature Genetics, Vol. 36, p. 316

Goodnight, and may all your Christmases be White.

TroubleandGrumpy · Monday at 05:24 AM

15 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

You must think brains are like computers and if you load the same software on two brains you get the same output. Parents can't even raise their kids to be exactly the same, they have unique personalities and traits. Is this not variance in the human brain?

I don't think you're aware but there's been much science done on IQ and intelligence. No one thinks the genetics contribute zero. It's the same as any trait like hair color or height. Here's a random example:

https://www.psypost.org/groundbreaking-study-reveals-the-impact-of-genetics-on-iq-scores-over-time/

I do think and you are not thinking rationally and logically. You are saying a woman with a beautiful head of hair that has been created after years of expensive hair treatments (like a model or movie star) has exactly the same hair as her sister who never looked after it much and is a drug addicted homeless person.

What you are given at birth is the 'base' and what is done with that in your life makes a huge difference. The issue - the point - the fact - is that IQ tests were initially designed for teenagers in the western education system - to tell who is really smart and who is not - for allocation to the A and B and C classes in High School. The fact is that the basis for an IQ test fails to take account of the affect an education that already has had on that person's ability to do the test - because it was designed based on all participants having the same education already.

Listen carefully this time - I am saying that the IQ Tests do NOT accurately measure a person's intelligence. If you practice IQ Tests you will get better results - fact fact fact. This below is based just on a small amount of practice - if a person has years of doing things like those in an IQ test - they will have a massive boost in their IQ Test results. Hence what I said before - there are far too many over-educated idiots in the western world who think they are smart and intelligent.

Performance on cognitive tests does improve with practice. For example, a study found that just taking a common nonverbal reasoning test twice increases scores by roughly the equivalent of eight IQ points.

https://theconversation.com/iq-tests-can-you-improve-your-score-by-practising-233153

One day there will be a 'test' that accurately measures a person's brain functions - physically and chemically probably. It will not involve completion of written tests - it will be a 'plug and play' method.

ecline · Monday at 06:15 AM

On 6/20/2025 at 10:13 PM, MarkBR said:

Would love to apply it to MAGA. Results might be interesting.

Really? And what would you expect it to show? (As if I cannot guess)

wombat · Monday at 06:30 AM

mines way below that...i mean look at the dribble i post ffs!

ukrules · Monday at 07:31 AM

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Performance on cognitive tests does improve with practice. For example, a study found that just taking a common nonverbal reasoning test twice increases scores by roughly the equivalent of eight IQ points.

You will likely know that it's based on standard deviations from the mean of some foreign population and is recalibrated every 10 or 20 years to match the current population in order to keep that mean at 100 so it's always 100 regardless of any change over time - and it does change over time - if the entire population changes over time then how dumb or smart you need to be to get a 100 score will also change.

So the real question is - what population is used to calculate the 100 score and that depends on the test.

8 points is half a standard deviation - that's inside the 'noise zone', hence all those countries reporting averages of averages slightly above or below 100 are irrelevant - also some of them don't even use the same kind of tests, you think China or South Korea don't calibrate their tests based on their own population and to make the results look nice and shiny?

Toby1947 · Monday at 07:43 AM