Is President Trump Betraying MAGA By Legalizing Illegals?

[annotator]

Agriculture secretary pledges quick action on farm labor

The legislation proposes that undocumented farmworkers without criminal records be allowed to become “certified agricultural workers” and eventually a “lawful permanent resident.”

https://capitalpress.com/2025/07/07/agriculture-secretary-pledges-quick-action-on-farm-labor/

 

If they in the USA illegally, that makes them criminals.

 

[Yagoda]

19 minutes ago, annotator said:

Agriculture secretary pledges quick action on farm labor

The legislation proposes that undocumented farmworkers without criminal records be allowed to become “certified agricultural workers” and eventually a “lawful permanent resident.”

https://capitalpress.com/2025/07/07/agriculture-secretary-pledges-quick-action-on-farm-labor/

 

If they in the USA illegally, that makes them criminals.

 

What is the text of the bill that supports your assertion.

[annotator]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

What is the text of the bill that supports your assertion.

https://newhouse.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/newhouse-bipartisan-coalition-introduce-farm-workforce-modernization

 

Click here for a two-page summary of the bill.  

Click here for a section-by-section outline of the bill.

Click here for the full text of the bill. 

[NoDisplayName]

 

Handing out free TACO's to the illegal Mexicans?

 

Dass like rayciss, yo.

[Yagoda]

17 minutes ago, annotator said:

https://newhouse.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/newhouse-bipartisan-coalition-introduce-farm-workforce-modernization

 

Click here for a two-page summary of the bill.  

Click here for a section-by-section outline of the bill.

Click here for the full text of the bill. 

OK whats wrong with it?

[mogandave]

29 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

What is the text of the bill that supports your assertion.

He doesn’t know

[annotator]

28 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

OK whats wrong with it?

Really? When did you stop believing that illegals weren't criminals? So now America is going to reward them by legalizing them? I thought that's what MAGA was all about being against? But now it's OK? And what makes it worse is that President Trump wants the criminals who hire these criminals, to have a say in the process. I'm referring to the farmers who hire them. They should be jailed!

[Yagoda]

22 minutes ago, annotator said:

When did you stop believing that illegals weren't criminals?

Never.

 

Im asking for the terms and provisions that are objectionable? Or do you not agree in general that the government can waive prosecution in appropriate circumstances?

[MicroB]

4 hours ago, annotator said:

Really? When did you stop believing that illegals weren't criminals? So now America is going to reward them by legalizing them? I thought that's what MAGA was all about being against? But now it's OK? And what makes it worse is that President Trump wants the criminals who hire these criminals, to have a say in the process. I'm referring to the farmers who hire them. They should be jailed!

 

There is some talk that "undocumented" (illegal) workers will not be legalised. They might have a status more like indentured workers, which is one step away from being a slave. They'll get paid, so they have to pay taxes. I suspect a charge will be levied for their "room" (shared facilties) and transport (prison bus), which more or less leaves them with nothing. And no straightforward way to go home.

 

DHS is looking at the arrangements, which means this isn't a INS task to stamp passports (presuming they have passports). Its about ICE coordinating with the farmers and hoteliers to ensure surge demand (the harvest, holiday seasons) is met. Heaven forbid they don't want undocumented but "vouched for" Pablo and Miguel deciding to switch farms, so I guess they will be bussed in from the Federal but not Free accomodation, on Federal transport, the cost of which will be doc'd from their wage packet.

 

Denials by the Agriculture Secretary means nothing, because I suspect the left cheek doesn't know what the right cheek is doing. The Agriculture Secretary is probably in a bit of a panic, and party to crop data that might be alarming, and so is going through the motions of doing something and appearing tough.

 

 

[MicroB]

6 hours ago, annotator said:

Agriculture secretary pledges quick action on farm labor

The legislation proposes that undocumented farmworkers without criminal records be allowed to become “certified agricultural workers” and eventually a “lawful permanent resident.”

https://capitalpress.com/2025/07/07/agriculture-secretary-pledges-quick-action-on-farm-labor/

 

If they in the USA illegally, that makes them criminals.

 

 

An interesting turn of words.

 

Most countries in the developed world issue seasonal agriculture worker visas. The history behind these isn't to pull in cheap labour at the expense of local labour. Its about a reality that fruit etc needs to be picked within a narrow time frame, otherwise its worthless (rots in the fields), but there is a difficulty finding year around work for these "surge" agriculture workers. When economies were more agarian, this was a pretty normal set of circumstances; jobbing farm labourers moving around the country. In my family history, if I go back 2-300 years, thats all they were. And in Thailand, thats how many people, especially from the North, live their lives.

 

Doesn't work so well in an industrialised society, because now you have permanent, salaried jobs, and actual careers.

 

It was a tradition in the UK, following WW2, for such visas to be issued to Poles. Typically they were young people, attending agricultural college, and so a summer in UK, picking strawberries, hops etc would be considered a bit of their training.

 

But such workers would never be "permanent". Sounds like they are creating some new category, akin to indentured workers, where they are not working out of choice, and tied to a single employer no matter what.

 

[grumpyoldman]

Now these MAGA geniuses have decided the older folks whose Medicare they took away with their crap bill, can replace the migrant workers! Yea, old mother Hubbard out picking strawberries so she can get some health care coverage. Incredible. Republican cruelty has no bounds. Three more years of these jerks and they are out. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/08/politics/agriculture-secretary-medicaid-no-amnesty

[mogandave]

7 hours ago, grumpyoldman said:

Now these MAGA geniuses have decided the older folks whose Medicare they took away with their crap bill, can replace the migrant workers! Yea, old mother Hubbard out picking strawberries so she can get some health care coverage. Incredible. Republican cruelty has no bounds. Three more years of these jerks and they are out. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/08/politics/agriculture-secretary-medicaid-no-amnesty

More lies from the Democrats.

 

No one is losing Medicare, unless they are receiving it fraudulently. 

 

Everything about left is dependent on lying. 

 

 

[BLMFem]

16 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Never.

 

Im asking for the terms and provisions that are objectionable? Or do you not agree in general that the government can waive prosecution in appropriate circumstances?

"........waive prosecution in appropriate circumstances?"

 

Oh for frack's sake, just call it what it is; TACO.

[TedG]

16 hours ago, grumpyoldman said:

Now these MAGA geniuses have decided the older folks whose Medicare they took away with their crap bill, can replace the migrant workers! Yea, old mother Hubbard out picking strawberries so she can get some health care coverage. Incredible. Republican cruelty has no bounds. Three more years of these jerks and they are out. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/08/politics/agriculture-secretary-medicaid-no-amnesty

Do you know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid?   

[Chomper Higgot]

23 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Never.

 

Im asking for the terms and provisions that are objectionable? Or do you not agree in general that the government can waive prosecution in appropriate circumstances?

 
It’s fascinating watching you switch.

 

 

[Celsius]

So there's still a chance for Lia Thomas 

[annotator]

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 
It’s fascinating watching you switch.

 

 

For me, it's depressing. There are a few genuine MAGA supporters here, but it seems most of them simply put absolute trust in President Trump. I read that Laura Loomer said that America First is whatever President Trump says it is. So depressing.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, annotator said:

For me, it's depressing. There are a few genuine MAGA supporters here, but it seems most of them simply put absolute trust in President Trump. I read that Laura Loomer said that America First is whatever President Trump says it is. So depressing.

It’s a cult.

 

Trump is the cult leader.

 

That’s how cults operate.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 
It’s fascinating watching you switch.

 

 

From what to what? Where have I discussed guest worker issues before?

 

Its boring watching you make the conversation about me rather than the issues, with your usual lies to boot.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, annotator said:

But if you think it's a principle, what about if President Trump decides DEI is good for education and the economy? Or if he decides that trans women can compete against real women? You going to be okay with that too?

He wont. He believes in reality

[ericthai]

On 7/8/2025 at 8:49 AM, annotator said:

Agriculture secretary pledges quick action on farm labor

The legislation proposes that undocumented farmworkers without criminal records be allowed to become “certified agricultural workers” and eventually a “lawful permanent resident.”

https://capitalpress.com/2025/07/07/agriculture-secretary-pledges-quick-action-on-farm-labor/

 

If they in the USA illegally, that makes them criminals.

 

you guys are never happy..  Don't want illegal immigrants deported and then the US govt works on making changes to the immigration rules (long over due) to allow for legal immigration for workers you're unhappy with that.  

[ericthai]

On 7/8/2025 at 10:03 AM, annotator said:

Really? When did you stop believing that illegals weren't criminals? So now America is going to reward them by legalizing them? I thought that's what MAGA was all about being against? But now it's OK? And what makes it worse is that President Trump wants the criminals who hire these criminals, to have a say in the process. I'm referring to the farmers who hire them. They should be jailed!

maybe someone should go to jail for allowing them all in. 

[ericthai]

19 hours ago, grumpyoldman said:

Now these MAGA geniuses have decided the older folks whose Medicare they took away with their crap bill, can replace the migrant workers! Yea, old mother Hubbard out picking strawberries so she can get some health care coverage. Incredible. Republican cruelty has no bounds. Three more years of these jerks and they are out. 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/08/politics/agriculture-secretary-medicaid-no-amnesty

Medicare was taken away??? stop watching CNN!  I work in the medical industry in the USA (mainly Medicare and Medicaid) and there are no cuts to Medicare. Actually Medicare advantage plans will get an increase of 5.06% in 2026. 

 

Medicaid there are changes.

I agree with most of the changes, there are allot of people on Medicaid that shouldn't be on Medicaid.  I know several people on disability, Medicare and Medicaid and they work for cash under the table when they are supposed to be disabled and unable to to work. I've reported it, but nothing happens. 

[proton]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a cult.

 

Trump is the cult leader.

 

That’s how cults operate.

 

77 million votes is too large for a cult

[grumpyoldman]

12 hours ago, mogandave said:

More lies from the Democrats.

 

No one is losing Medicare, unless they are receiving it fraudulently. 

 

Everything about left is dependent on lying. 

 

 

WHOOOHOOOHAHAHA !!

 

If that isn't calling the kettle black.............Trump lies every time he speaks. Said on the campaign trail he wouldn't cut Medicare and what does he do?

 

It's not a lie to quote a Maga minions exact words, so you need to wake up and smell the roses Moses.

[grumpyoldman]

21 minutes ago, ericthai said:

Medicare was taken away??? stop watching CNN!  I work in the medical industry in the USA (mainly Medicare and Medicaid) and there are no cuts to Medicare. Actually Medicare advantage plans will get an increase of 5.06% in 2026. 

 

Medicaid there are changes.

I agree with most of the changes, there are allot of people on Medicaid that shouldn't be on Medicaid.  I know several people on disability, Medicare and Medicaid and they work for cash under the table when they are supposed to be disabled and unable to to work. I've reported it, but nothing happens. 

You're wrong.

 

See first bullet here, 12 million people.

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/08/medicaid-cuts-states

 

Sure it's best we give tax breaks to the ultra rich (gee wonder how much of a tax break the King of Grifters gave himself) than helping our hospitals pay for the poorest people in our nation.

[Yagoda]

34 minutes ago, grumpyoldman said:

You're wrong.

 

See first bullet here, 12 million people.

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/08/medicaid-cuts-states

 

Sure it's best we give tax breaks to the ultra rich (gee wonder how much of a tax break the King of Grifters gave himself) than helping our hospitals pay for the poorest people in our nation.

You don't care about poor people you care about power

[Patong2021]

On 7/8/2025 at 8:49 AM, annotator said:

Agriculture secretary pledges quick action on farm labor

The legislation proposes that undocumented farmworkers without criminal records be allowed to become “certified agricultural workers” and eventually a “lawful permanent resident.”

https://capitalpress.com/2025/07/07/agriculture-secretary-pledges-quick-action-on-farm-labor/

 

If they in the USA illegally, that makes them criminals.

 

 

Another one of your  nonsensical hateful right wing extremist rants.

Not all unauthorized foreigners in the country are in breach of a criminal law. Nor does a violation of immigration rules necessarily make one a criminal. Come back when you understand the concept of criminal intent, "mens rea".

A large number of migrant farm workers rely on farm worker brokers or large farm companies who take care of worker visas. The workers are told they are compliant, when they are not.

 

Migrant farm workers deliver the agriculture sector's profit. It has become obvious that unless the migrant labour is  accommodated, produce will rot in the fields and orchards.  The people of the USA refuse to do farm work. Nor can they be forced  to do it, nor do farmers want workers who are inefficient or who will damage more produce than they will properly harvest.

 

The Trump administration is addressing a problem. If iot is not addressed, the US population will see its food become more expensive and in short supply.

 

 

Some are subject to administrative

[annotator]

3 hours ago, ericthai said:

you guys are never happy..  Don't want illegal immigrants deported and then the US govt works on making changes to the immigration rules (long over due) to allow for legal immigration for workers you're unhappy with that.  

Who doesn't want illegal immigrants deported? You are confused.

 

[ericthai]

21 hours ago, grumpyoldman said:

You're wrong.

 

See first bullet here, 12 million people.

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/08/medicaid-cuts-states

 

Sure it's best we give tax breaks to the ultra rich (gee wonder how much of a tax break the King of Grifters gave himself) than helping our hospitals pay for the poorest people in our nation.

so again it's not Medicare... what you posted is Medicaid two different things.  People are dropping off and on Medicaid all the time. Mostly due to not doing the paper work to requalify.

However, I agree with most of the the change to Medicaid, so many people on the program that shouldn't be on it, just cause they know how to work the system.

Then you have people who are illegally in the country on Medicaid.