August 5, 2025Aug 5 20 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said: While some reports focus on the financial implications, others suggest a broader shift in values and a desire for more fulfilling lives elsewhere." Obscenely rich people prioritising a broader sense of values and a more fulfilling life over just becoming richer? <giggle>
August 5, 2025Aug 5 So, it's unelected EU judges telling elected politicians what to do. Doesn't matter who you vote for, faceless ivory-tower types that are so far disconnected from reality tell world governments what to do. Countries should start leaving the ECHR on mass and dilute it's power, as it now longer fit for purpose and outdated. It's almost as if these lofty detached judges see no harm in a tsunami of illegal immigrants with nothing to offer (other than sponge off the taxpayer), and many are criminals and a threat to society/culture or even social cohesion. Strong is the delusion of so many now on such topics as the issue will never affect them in the champagne socialist leafy suburb lifestyle locations... protest and revolution is coming as people are getting p!ssed off about it.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 5 minutes ago, Sir Dude said: So, it's unelected EU judges telling elected politicians what to do. Doesn't matter who you vote for, faceless ivory-tower types that are so far disconnected from reality tell world governments what to do. Countries should start leaving the ECHR on mass and dilute it's power, as it now longer fit for purpose and outdated. It's almost as if these lofty detached judges see no harm in a tsunami of illegal immigrants with nothing to offer (other than sponge off the taxpayer), and many are criminals and a threat to society/culture or even social cohesion. Strong is the delusion of so many now on such topics as the issue will never affect them in the champagne socialist leafy suburb lifestyle locations... protest and revolution is coming as people are getting p!ssed off about it. That is not what has happened. Judges don't make any laws....elected politicians make the laws; judges just apply those laws. In this case the Italians tried a fast one. No one is telling them they can't send someone to Albania, but they must first show it is safe to do so.....storm in a teacup... I would point to the fact that this an article from the Daily Excess.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 Nothing suggested by the last failed British government, and the current, failing one has addressed the backlog of asylum claims beyond acknowledging there's a f**k ton of them. With every c**t and his dog touting the super-dooper, better, faster, cheaper abilities of AI, instead of hiring more staff to screen these asylum claims (staff who will probably work from home so nobody can tell if they're actually doing their job), why not let AI do the basic, front-end vetting, screening and filtering? It should then be easy to fill the rejection quota, clear the backlog and send the failures either back to where they came from, or home...or even Rwanda. This leaves the final cull to a human, in the office, working 9-to-5.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 2 hours ago, Thingamabob said: That still leaves the question as to why the UK making itself so attractive to illegals by giving them free accomodation, free health services, free recreational activity, and pocket money to name just a few of the benefits they are given, paid for by UK tax payers. Absolutely and meanwhile pensioners are being asked to pay more for everything despite the fact they have actually contributed to the UKs finances. Meanwhile around 450,000 pensioners who live overseas who made tax an NI contributions have their state pension frozen and many like myself still have to pay income tax!!!
August 5, 2025Aug 5 23 minutes ago, NanLaew said: If you still believe their only attraction is a life on, "benefits they are given, paid for by UK tax payers", you obviously aren't smart enough to appreciate their real attraction to the UK. Thank you for your comment. Tell us more. What is the 'real attraction' ?
August 5, 2025Aug 5 2 minutes ago, Thingamabob said: Thank you for your comment. Tell us more. What is the 'real attraction' ? The exact same attraction that saw Irish, Italian and many other immigrants cross the Atlantic to America over 100 years ago.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 1 minute ago, NanLaew said: The exact same attraction that saw Irish, Italian and many other immigrants cross the Atlantic to America over 100 years ago. Nonsense. The suggestion that today's decadent UK bears any resemblance whatsoever to the America of 100 years ago is ridiculous. The illegals are attracted to today's Britain by the benefits on offer, combined with the chance to pick up illicit, off the record, work.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 On 8/4/2025 at 9:00 AM, johng said: The Brexit has been sabotaged at every step along the long and torturous path, politicians doing their utmost to deny the will of the voters. Even today they do nothing to turn back the illegal boats crossing the channel from the safe country of France. UK is an Island should be easy to stop illegals arriving by boat Royal Navy anyone ? These are probably illegals in London here. Just a guess. But what do you expect from people cannot get jobs and have no skills?
August 5, 2025Aug 5 Italy is trying to save itself from being overrun and the woke EU systems are trying to shut them down. Egregiously, the EU thinks they know better than Italy. Offshore migrant processing is the key to protecting a country. The mantra, "this country was built by immigrants" has to end. Eventually all countries get overpopulated/overrun and have to act accordingly.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 44 minutes ago, Thingamabob said: Nonsense. The suggestion that today's decadent UK bears any resemblance whatsoever to the America of 100 years ago is ridiculous. The illegals are attracted to today's Britain by the benefits on offer, combined with the chance to pick up illicit, off the record, work. Unsurprisingly, I see the blinkers are heavy on this one. The UK looks like the same land of opportunity to many nationalities today as America presented to the Europeans at the start of last century. Back then of course, the majority of the 1.3 million immigrants that fronted up on Ellis Island were Caucasian or Christians or both.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 26 minutes ago, swerve said: Italy is trying to save itself from being overrun and the woke EU systems are trying to shut them down. Egregiously, the EU thinks they know better than Italy. Offshore migrant processing is the key to protecting a country. The mantra, "this country was built by immigrants" has to end. Eventually all countries get overpopulated/overrun and have to act accordingly. How can a country, like the UK, expect to carry on with an ageing and increasingly work shy native population?
August 5, 2025Aug 5 28 minutes ago, swerve said: Italy is trying to save itself from being overrun and the woke EU systems are trying to shut them down. Egregiously, the EU thinks they know better than Italy. Offshore migrant processing is the key to protecting a country. The mantra, "this country was built by immigrants" has to end. Eventually all countries get overpopulated/overrun and have to act accordingly. The judges are applying the EU law that elected officials have voted through.....they don't make the law. All Italy have to do is present evidence in accordance with the law that Albania is a safe country to send immigrants to....job done.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 49 minutes ago, Will B Good said: The judges are applying the EU law that elected officials have voted through.....they don't make the law. All Italy have to do is present evidence in accordance with the law that Albania is a safe country to send immigrants to....job done. Exactly. It's the same legal hokey-cokey that the last UK government had to do to allow them to eject their undesirables to Rwanda. Sound like the Italians got their carro davanti ai buoi.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 4 hours ago, Will B Good said: Judges don't make any laws.. Errrr, yes they do actually. By interpreting laws judges create precedent and can become more important than all the politicians who drafted the original law.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 3 hours ago, NanLaew said: How can a country, like the UK, expect to carry on with an ageing and increasingly work shy native population? Far better than with this mainly unproductive immigrant influx, much of which seems to hold low regard for the UK and its native peoples. Or do you really think all these new people won't age too? Forget the GDP argument. GDP/capita is already dropping. Guess why?
August 5, 2025Aug 5 1 hour ago, Cameroni said: Errrr, yes they do actually. By interpreting laws judges create precedent and can become more important than all the politicians who drafted the original law. They can also impede the democratic process.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 Just now, nauseus said: They can also impede the democratic process. Yes, indeed, as we saw in the US recently, but the same happened in the UK. Judges everywhere have huge political significance, in the EU too of course.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 1 hour ago, nauseus said: Far better than with this mainly unproductive immigrant influx, much of which seems to hold low regard for the UK and its native peoples. Or do you really think all these new people won't age too? Forget the GDP argument. GDP/capita is already dropping. Guess why? Unproductive? Like the 19% of NHS workers? Or those that fill one in five employment slots in public transport, public service and hospitality industry? Your comment on "low regard" is drenched in irony. Of course they'll age eventually. Everyone ages. Maybe that's why you hate everything? Go on tell me what's wrecking the GDP. It's those hotels full of illegals on benefits, isn't it. Where's my prize?
August 5, 2025Aug 5 1 hour ago, nauseus said: 2 hours ago, Cameroni said: Errrr, yes they do actually. By interpreting laws judges create precedent and can become more important than all the politicians who drafted the original law. They can also impede the democratic process. Including pissing in your cornflakes sometimes.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 1 hour ago, NanLaew said: Unproductive? Like the 19% of NHS workers? Or those that fill one in five employment slots in public transport, public service and hospitality industry? Your comment on "low regard" is drenched in irony. Of course they'll age eventually. Everyone ages. Maybe that's why you hate everything? Go on tell me what's wrecking the GDP. It's those hotels full of illegals on benefits, isn't it. Where's my prize? You are arguing for an age of moderate immigration that has long ended. i don't have a problem with much of that. My comment on "low regard" is drenched in reality - this comes from statements from the immigrants themselves. GDP will become irrelevant. And you want a prize?
August 5, 2025Aug 5 1 hour ago, NanLaew said: Including pissing in your cornflakes sometimes. On a roll?
August 5, 2025Aug 5 9 hours ago, nauseus said: truly leaving meant returning to the same status as before the UK joined the EEC. Yes, I know, so many problems with that, but with mutual and genuine goodwill they could have been sorted out. Fair play to you for answering the question directly; that is more than any other poster complaining about a fudged Brexit has managed to do. I'm not sure that it would actually be possible to roll back the UK to pre-EC days but - assuming that it is - I'm even less convinced that it would be in anyone's interest to do so. Firstly, we would be trading under something worse than WTO rules. The difficulties and negative impact of trading under the current 'Withdrawal Agreement' has been plain to see. Introducing further barriers to trade e.g. tariffs, would make a bad situation worse which would be in no one's interests. A move such as you suggest would also presumably involve getting rid of all legislation inherited from the EU. Once again, there are obviously logistical problems associated with this approach but, yet again, I question the desirability of doing so. For every 'bendy banana' law that is despensed with, another relating to food safety would also go. No doubt, there are bad laws which have been inherited from the EU, but a wholesale withdrawal of all EU law from the UK Stature Book is, imo once again, in no one's interest. Imo Brexit has achieved two successes to date: 1) A reduced tariff rate on exports to the US vis-a-vis the EU and 2) A trade deal with India. Given the lack of detail regarding all US tariff deals, it remains to be seen just how big a win that success proves to be: In a similar vein, judgement may need to be revised about the India-UK deal if the EU and India can come to an agreement. In any event, I don't consider either event sufficient justification for Brexit. To conclude, imo the reason why Brexit has failed - and will continue to fail - is not due to a flawed implementation strategy, rather it is due to a flawed concept.
August 5, 2025Aug 5 Leaving trade out of things (it's not the subject of the OP either), the attached gives some insight into how Brexit made control of our borders, a benefit that was front and center of the debate, harder to achieve. https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/60049/channel-crossings-why-britain-cannot-simply-send-back-migrants
August 6, 2025Aug 6 14 hours ago, Cameroni said: Errrr, yes they do actually. By interpreting laws judges create precedent and can become more important than all the politicians who drafted the original law. So they don't make laws....we agree.
August 6, 2025Aug 6 1 hour ago, Will B Good said: So they don't make laws....we agree. No, they make law. It's called case law. Precedents, which are the keys to interpreting laws.
August 6, 2025Aug 6 5 minutes ago, Cameroni said: No, they make law. It's called case law. Precedents, which are the keys to interpreting laws. Interpreting the laws made by......???
August 6, 2025Aug 6 3 minutes ago, Will B Good said: Interpreting the laws made by......??? Again, "case law". Also known in the English legal tradition as "Common Law". Common Law is a gigantic part of English jurisprudence and is made by judges. Read yourself more educated here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_law
August 6, 2025Aug 6 2 minutes ago, Cameroni said: Again, "case law". Also known in the English legal tradition as "Common Law". Common Law is a gigantic part of English jurisprudence and is made by judges. Read yourself more educated here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_law All based on the laws drawn up by..........?
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