5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

And of course Epstein was not into "child sex abuse", he had sex with teenagers, he liked younger girls, but not one of them was pre-pubscent. To accuse him of being a kiddie fiddler is just wrong.

 

In criminal cases, someone under 18 may be referred to as a “child” even if they are post-pubescent or legally allowed to marry in some states......so "child sex abuse" is correct.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No I don't actually, because those files most likely contain untrue, defamatory and wrong information. Only that should be released which is proven beyond a doubt to be true.

 

And of course Epstein was not into "child sex abuse", he had sex with teenagers, he liked younger girls, but not one of them was pre-pubscent. To accuse him of being a kiddie fiddler is just wrong.

 

Clearly it was just Epstein and Maxwell who were involved, and Virginia Giuffre of course who admitted she recruited other girls, as well as some of the other girls. This notion that he "trafficked girls" to others is total nonsense. Just as it was with Diddy who did the freak-offs for himself and his gf. His parties were nothing like the freak offs. All these things get mashed up in the public imagination which appears to have some trouble in separating fact from fantasy.

Yep.

 

Covering up for Pedos.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

9 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Why has she been moved to Camp Fed?....first sex offender ever to moved from a State prison to a Federal facility.

 

Very appropriate, she had issues with other inmates in the previous prison

 

 

Now that nails you 100% as a wind-up merchant....

 

.....a sex offender sentence to 20 years is moved to Camp Fed because she had issues with other inmates.......

 

 

You're killing me.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

In criminal cases, someone under 18 may be referred to as a “child” even if they are post-pubescent or legally allowed to marry in some states......so "child sex abuse" is correct.

 

No it's not, we must be intellectually honest. Even when the law creates a legal fiction for policy reasons and states a 15 year old is a "child", she's not a pre-pubescent kid, and Epstein was very clearly not into sex with children in the sense of pre-pubescent girls. He liked younger teenagers, like Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry. Not kids. I mean let's not distort reality.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yep.

 

Covering up for Pedos.

 

Sorry to disappoint you, there are no "pedophiles" in this case. Not in the true sense of pedophilia, ie sex with prebuscent girls.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Sorry to disappoint you, there are no "pedophiles" in this case. Not in the true sense of pediophilia, ie sex with prebuscent girls.

It’s a bit of a tell when you engage in semantics to defend sex abusers of children.

 

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

No it's not, we must be intellectually honest. Even when the law creates a legal fiction for policy reasons and states a 15 year old is a "child", she's not a pre-pubescent kid, and Epstein was very clearly not into sex with children in the sense of pre-pubescent girls. He liked younger teenagers, like Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry. Not kids. I mean let's not distort reality.

 

 

 

What is your obsession with pre-pubescent children?

 

At 12/13/14/15, a young person is a child, not a legal fiction.....and nothing to do with being or not being pre-pubescent.

 

You are not to be going around trafficking them or having sex with them.

 

 

There is of course one very good reason an individual might not want the Epstein files released.

 

No matter how remote that reason might be, we should not discount it entirely.

5 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Now that nails you 100% as a wind-up merchant....

 

.....a sex offender sentence to 20 years is moved to Camp Fed because she had issues with other inmates.......

 

 

You're killing me.

 

The only "wind-up" show here is by those who claim Donald Trump was a pedophile and that he's refusing to release files becuse he'd be incriminated, all of which is total nonsense.

 

The one surviving witness has now clearly exonerated Trump of any wrong-doing and still you lot persist in this baseless pedophilia hoax. 

 

It's pitiful and silly really.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There is of course one very good reason an individual might not want the Epstein files released.

 

No matter how remote that reason might be, we should not discount it entirely.

 

Indeed. 

 

But when you look at the other rumours/videos surrounding Biden and children, it's not that remote. 

17 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

Far be it for me to defend Trump but there is previous on this subject.  Have you forgoten that JFK appointed his own brother RFK as AG " for all the people " ?

 

Far be it for me to point out this is "whataboutism," a lame deflection technique.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The only "wind-up" show here is by those who claim Donald Trump was a pedophile and that he's refusing to release files becuse he'd be incriminated, all of which is total nonsense.

 

The one surviving witness has now clearly exonerated Trump of any wrong-doing and still you lot persist in this baseless pedophilia hoax. 

 

It's pitiful and silly really.

 

What is pitiful and silly really is ignoring the more-than-100 victims, but defenders of pedophiles shun actual facts like Superman shuns Kryptonite.

9 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

 

What is your obsession with pre-pubescent children?

 

At 12/13/14/15, a young person is a child, not a legal fiction.....and nothing to do with being or not being pre-pubescent.

 

You are not to be going around trafficking them or having sex with them.

 

 

 

Anyone who has sex with pre-pubscent children is clearly a pedophile and true "kiddie-fiddler" in the true sense of the word. However, when you get to teenager territory then you quickly come into a gray area, because the age of consent varies widely in many countries around the world and indeed in many states in the US at the time of Epstein's crimes.  Indeed in Florida, before the age of consent was revised to 18 the age of consent was 10 years old, I'm not joking, look it up.

 

So, there is a difference to sex with a minor and child sex abuse, which the law clearly differentiates.

 

It's totally disingenous to suggest that Epstein was a pedophile, he had sex with very young teenagers, yes, but he was not a pedophile in the true sense.

 

Obviously, I don't around trafficking or having sex with any of them, I like 25 year olds, but that's hardly the point.

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No it's not, we must be intellectually honest. Even when the law creates a legal fiction for policy reasons and states a 15 year old is a "child", she's not a pre-pubescent kid, and Epstein was very clearly not into sex with children in the sense of pre-pubescent girls. He liked younger teenagers, like Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry. Not kids. I mean let's not distort reality.

Epstein was convicted for girls down to 14 years old, and I just wonder why you defend him for being with minors. After all Epstein was Trump best friend for years, and he (Trump) bragged about he liked young girls, to young girls. All the proofs are there, but still you guys denies it. Strange, very strange

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/1180481/dl

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The only "wind-up" show here is by those who claim Donald Trump was a pedophile and that he's refusing to release files becuse he'd be incriminated, all of which is total nonsense.

 

 

And you know the files will exonerate him because.........no don't tell me....

 

1) He said he's innocent and he would never lie....why would he?

2) Maxwell said he only read books at parties (ignorng he bid for a pardon)

3) He isn't in any of the files.....how could he be if he's innocent

4) A 1000 FBI agents just spent three weeks Tipexing his name out of all the files and destroying any videos of him.

 

Which would you go for????

 

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Anyone who has sex with pre-pubscent children is clearly a pedophile and true "kiddie-fiddler" in the true sense of the word. However, when you get to teenager territory then you quickly come into a gray area, because the age of consent varies widely in many countries around the world and indeed in many states in the US at the time of Epstein's crimes.  Indeed in Florida, before the age of consent was revised to 18 the age of consent was 10 years old, I'm not joking, look it up.

 

So, there is a difference to sex with a minor and child sex abuse, which the law clearly differentiates.

 

It's totally disingenous to suggest that Epstein was a pedophile, he had sex with very young teenagers, yes, but he was not a pedophile in the true sense.

 

Obviously, I don't around trafficking or having sex with any of them, I like 25 year olds, but that's hardly the point.

And here you are, not willing to admit there is a law to protect children from predators who think they are not kids. Even defends other people who are convicted. 

4 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

What is pitiful and silly really is ignoring the more-than-100 victims, but defenders of pedophiles shun actual facts like Superman shuns Kryptonite.

 

There were no "victims", Virgiina Giuffre admitted she consented to sex for money. Epstein sent her to learn massage in Chiang Mai and provided financially for her. After that she became rich by extorting Prince Andrew for 20 million pounds and anyone else she could sue. She even tried to sue Alan Dershowitz knowing full well she never had sex with him, just for the cash. Giuffre was a common whore and a vile liar.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And I don’t mind at all when you post them online the forum for all to see.

Thank you. Most kind.

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Indeed. 

 

But when you look at the other rumours/videos surrounding Biden and children, it's not that remote. 

I don’t think Biden has ever been linked to Epstein’s heinous crimes.

 

Nevertheless, release the Epstein files and let those in them deal with the consequences regardless of who they are, their political affiliation or indeed social status.

 

Anyway, nice try Jonny.

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

And you know the files will exonerate him because.........no don't tell me....

 

1) He said he's innocent and he would never lie....why would he?

2) Maxwell said he only read books at parties (ignorng he bid for a pardon)

3) He isn't in any of the files.....how could he be if he's innocent

4) A 1000 FBI agents just spent three weeks Tipexing his name out of all the files and destroying any videos of him.

 

Which would you go for????

 

 

How about "The only surviving witness has just completely exonerated Trump"?

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Anyone who has sex with pre-pubscent children is clearly a pedophile and true "kiddie-fiddler" in the true sense of the word. However, when you get to teenager territory then you quickly come into a gray area, because the age of consent varies widely in many countries around the world and indeed in many states in the US at the time of Epstein's crimes.  Indeed in Florida, before the age of consent was revised to 18 the age of consent was 10 years old, I'm not joking, look it up.

 

So, there is a difference to sex with a minor and child sex abuse, which the law clearly differentiates.

 

It's totally disingenous to suggest that Epstein was a pedophile, he had sex with very young teenagers, yes, but he was not a pedophile in the true sense.

 

Obviously, I don't around trafficking or having sex with any of them, I like 25 year olds, but that's hardly the point.

You’re beginning to make my flesh creep.

The statement in the #2 post this topic is that Ms. Maxwell "(told) Blanche that Trump had never done anything in her presence that would have caused concern."

 

That statement makes no reference as to what may have occurred that would have caused concern but NOT in Ms. Maxwell presence whether she knows about it or not.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

There were no "victims", Virgiina Giuffre admitted she consented to sex for money. Epstein sent her to learn massage in Chiang Mai and provided financially for her. After that she became rich by extorting Prince Andrew for 20 million pounds and anyone else she could sue. She even tried to sue Alan Dershowitz knowing full well she never had sex with him, just for the cash. Giuffre was a common whore and a vile liar.

You are blinded by your personal hate for women as we see in every thread about hookers, bar ladies, ladies you dating it is personal for you. Get some help you are out of line completely, and Im afraid many of same characters are drawn to places like Thailand because of the low risk of being caught red handed. 

Just now, jerrymahoney said:

The statement in the #2 post this topic is that Ms. Maxwell "(told) Blanche that Trump had never done anything in her presence that would have caused concern."

 

That statement makes no reference as to what may have occurred that would have caused concern NOT in Ms. Maxwell presence whether she knows about it or not.

 

If you take an objective lense, clearly having sex with children or minors would give anyone cause for concern. So clearly that never happened.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’re beginning to make my flesh creep.

Just added another very sick &#^$7@*$& to my ignore list. Beyond disgusting!

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The statement in the #2 post this topic is that Ms. Maxwell "(told) Blanche that Trump had never done anything in her presence that would have caused concern."

 

That statement makes no reference as to what may have occurred that would have caused concern NOT in Ms. Maxwell presence whether she knows about it or not.

 

If you take an objective lense, clearly having sex with children or minors would give anyone cause for concern. So clearly that never happened.

 

Either you are obtuse, ignorant or a troll. Or all of that

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

How about "The only surviving witness has just completely exonerated Trump"?

She hasn’t.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

She hasn’t.

 

So you're going to beat this dead horse that Trump is a pedophile and is not releasing the Epstein files because he'd incriminate himself for infinity. 

 

Up to you. But of course now we have eye witness evidence that it never happened. Like most conspiracy theorists you'll have a lot of company, but reason and truth won't be keeping you company.

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t think Biden has ever been linked to Epstein’s heinous crimes.

 

If that were true, why didn't he release the files? He had plenty of opportunity.

 

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Nevertheless, release the Epstein files and let those in them deal with the consequences regardless of who they are, their political affiliation or indeed social status.

 

Agreed. So why didn't Biden do it?

 

More than a little fishy.

 

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

There were no "victims", Virgiina Giuffre admitted she consented to sex for money. Epstein sent her to learn massage in Chiang Mai and provided financially for her. After that she became rich by extorting Prince Andrew for 20 million pounds and anyone else she could sue. She even tried to sue Alan Dershowitz knowing full well she never had sex with him, just for the cash. Giuffre was a common whore and a vile liar.

Actually it was HM the former Queen who helped Andrew to come up with a reported 12 million pounds extorted by Giuffre. At the time there was a fake picture doing the rounds of Andrew with his left arm around Giuffre's waist. The problem with the picture was that Andrew's left arm would have to have been twice as long as his right arm  order to encircle Giuffre's waist, a fact mysteriously ignored by the MSM.