34 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Mate, keep up with the discussion, I am fully aware of tattoo history..but obviously you are far too young to know that tattoos, up until maybe the nineties, early 200p, tattoos were mainly for the worst of society..most people, men and woman, did not have tattoos, then a feemww music artists started to get them, followed by movie actors, that trend took off...so stop trying to be a smart arse..you will fail.

I'm almost 69, and right with the discussion, showing where tattoos originated. I know full well that more have gotten tatts in the last few decades. Gangs are the ones who have the anger tattoos, and gangs have been around a long time. Quoting where they originated isn't being a smart ass, but just replying to another. Good people have been getting tattoos all along, not just the worst of society. Some people think those with tattoos are low class, and that's ignorance. That I know hundreds of people with them who are good people is my experience. Your experience may be different or skewed , that I don't know. 

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Nothing to do with intelligence. My dad had a genius IQ and he had one, as did a few others I know who are very intelligent business owners. 

55555 

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Tattoos have little to do with class. Class is how a person carries themselves and how they treat others. I've seen many un tatted people with major arrogance and a sociopathic personality and many with tattoos who were the nicest, most helpful people I've ever met. 

Meaning is you met in your life only a few people. 😂

(eg Beckham helps people? and got loads of ugly tattoos = he's classy? NO, never ever.)

Think again. Or go to Google 

On 8/8/2025 at 12:00 PM, ikke1959 said:

Indeed.. it is almost impossible to find someone who is not tattooed anymore.....

Only about 1/3 have them, but there's no real way to know when people are fully clothed who does or not. Being in gyms almost  all my life I'd say that's about right, and contrary to what some think, professionals and those very well off also have tattoos. They're not just for sailors, gangs, hookers and low class people. 

Just now, newbee2022 said:

Meaning is you met in your life only a few people. 😂

(eg Beckham helps people? and got loads of ugly tattoos = he's classy? NO, never ever.)

Think again. Or go to Google 

Meaning I've known hundreds of thousands, just like most everyone else who leaves their homes. You need to think again, as your life experience seems very limited. Like I just mentioned, I've been working out in gyms for 50 years, and have seen firsthand what types have tattoos. It's all, types, from all walks of life, and from the very rich to the very poor. Maybe you need to get out more.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Meaning I've known hundreds of thousands, just like most everyone else who leaves their homes. You need to think again, as your life experience seems very limited. Like I just mentioned, I've been working out in gyms for 50 years, and have seen firsthand what types have tattoos. It's all, types, from all walks of life, and from the very rich to the very poor. Maybe you need to get out more.

You've been working in gyms?!. That says everything.

Next.

Just now, newbee2022 said:

You've been working in gyms?!. That says everything.

Next.

Like I said, your life experience is limited.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Like I said, your life experience is limited.

I wouldn't ask what's limited with you?🤩😂

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Only about 1/3 have them, but there's no real way to know when people are fully clothed who does or not. Being in gyms almost  all my life I'd say that's about right, and contrary to what some think, professionals and those very well off also have tattoos. They're not just for sailors, gangs, hookers and low class people. 

1/3???? Than I can not count... It seems that everybody has one or more tattoos when you walk around... Even hidden sometimes they peak out under a sleeve or so.. Many more than you claim

3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I wouldn't ask what's limited with you?🤩😂

Laughing at your own foolishness isn't helping your cause. Explain to us what working in gyms means to you, seeing it "says everything".  To most others it means someone who trains others to improve their health and appearance. I actually said working out in gyms for 50 years. I trained others for 16.

1 minute ago, ikke1959 said:

1/3???? Than I can not count... It seems that everybody has one or more tattoos when you walk around... Even hidden sometimes they peak out under a sleeve or so.. Many more than you claim

I'm just going by the stats. From what I've seen, mentioning being a gym person for 50 years, that 1/3 seems about right. It's hard to tell if some fully clothed have any. Maybe certain areas have more with tattoos, especially here in tourist hooker areas. Those in the trade have many along with tourists that are attracted to that trade. Walking around any major cities in the summer is a way you can see more, but it's still only about 1/3, More definitely have them now than when we were teenagers. 

7 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

Real art will never be outdated, as tattoos will ...... indeed the decision you make is for a lifetime, even if you regret it you can't get rid of it anymore, while art you can put away on an attic

BS Tattoo’s are easy to remove nowadays. Expensive but can be removed. 

5 hours ago, Grusa said:

I believe that somewhere in middle Europe, sometime near the end of the middle of the last century, there was a fashion for human skin lampshades. If you put one, carrying a tattoo, in the attic, does it become art?

And she was executed for doing it.

On 8/8/2025 at 9:34 AM, ikke1959 said:

Nowadays everybody seems to be tattooed... Even young kids are mutilated for the rest of their lives.. I don't understand why, where does it come from?? In some tribes and countries it is a tradition that goes back for ages but here in Thailand it seems the more colors your skin has and the more pics on it the more beautiful it is....Are Thai people so unsatisfied with their bodies??

If they are dark-skinned, they are unsatisfied. The slightest tan and they freak out. 

Pale as a ghost, and they are beauty personified. 

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm almost 69, and right with the discussion, showing where tattoos originated. I know full well that more have gotten tatts in the last few decades. Gangs are the ones who have the anger tattoos, and gangs have been around a long time. Quoting where they originated isn't being a smart ass, but just replying to another. Good people have been getting tattoos all along, not just the worst of society. Some people think those with tattoos are low class, and that's ignorance. That I know hundreds of people with them who are good people is my experience. Your experience may be different or skewed , that I don't know. 

Not many university professors, surgeons ,dentists  lawyer etc with tattoos .

A lot of gang members, yakuza, hookers, pimps,boxers etc with tatts 

3 minutes ago, thecyclist said:

Not many university professors, surgeons ,dentists  lawyer etc with tattoos .

A lot of gang members, yakuza, hookers, pimps,boxers etc with tatts 

The only way to know that is if you saw them with gym clothes. That's what I was saying, that being in gyms for 50 years 3-5 times a week, you get to see a lot of people without dress clothes. Gang members have tatts for a few reasons, one to signify their gang. Yakuza also.

 

The rest of the world do it because they like art on their bodies, for any number of reasons. They shouldn't bother anyone unless they for some reason have a hangup about them, judging those who have them for whatever reasons they can come up with.

 

Many people dye their hair and some also don't like it. As long as it doesn't affect your life, which it doesn't, you let people do what they want, especially regarding their own bodies. Being prejudiced against people you don't know never is right. I also mentioned that I know many people with tattoos, and they are all family people, working, and not breaking any laws. 

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm just going by the stats. From what I've seen, mentioning being a gym person for 50 years, that 1/3 seems about right. It's hard to tell if some fully clothed have any. Maybe certain areas have more with tattoos, especially here in tourist hooker areas. Those in the trade have many along with tourists that are attracted to that trade. Walking around any major cities in the summer is a way you can see more, but it's still only about 1/3, More definitely have them now than when we were teenagers. 

I live in totally  not touristic area...and when I walk in the shopping mall it seems almost everyone is tattooed, same petrol stations, markets, and name it...so your stats are outdated I think

2 hours ago, Reddavy said:

BS Tattoo’s are easy to remove nowadays. Expensive but can be removed. 

so not many people can allow it to remove all their tattoos.... expensive, sometimes several treatments and sometimes not totally....and than I am not talking about the costs.

3 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

I live in totally  not touristic area...and when I walk in the shopping mall it seems almost everyone is tattooed, same petrol stations, markets, and name it...so your stats are outdated I think

The stats are for the US in general. It is actually a little higher as this link shows, especially in certain groups..............https://inkstudioai.com/blog/how-many-people-have-tattoos.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

The stats are for the US in general. It is actually a little higher as this link shows, especially in certain groups..............https://inkstudioai.com/blog/how-many-people-have-tattoos.

OK but I live in Thailand, so the figures in the US are not relevant

Woke up one morning in my hotel room in BKK, the lady I had brought back the night before had a shoulder to shoulder tattoo on her back that was thick cursive writing "Michael".

 

I said, "sweetheart the tattoo parlor got my name wrong".

21 hours ago, Dararasmi said:

The only difference between people with tattoos and those without is that people with tattoos don't care if you don't have any tattoos.

Naive comment, they want self justification for their inability for independent thought as much as others. 

19 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm almost 69, and right with the discussion, showing where tattoos originated. I know full well that more have gotten tatts in the last few decades. Gangs are the ones who have the anger tattoos, and gangs have been around a long time. Quoting where they originated isn't being a smart ass, but just replying to another. Good people have been getting tattoos all along, not just the worst of society. Some people think those with tattoos are low class, and that's ignorance. That I know hundreds of people with them who are good people is my experience. Your experience may be different or skewed , that I don't know. 

I standby my comment, but you seem to have miss part of my comment, where I said in my youngest days, I am now 71...you seem fixated on more recent times...I also know many people, young and old, some in my own family, that wish they'd never got tattoos in the first place

1 minute ago, Aussie999 said:

I standby my comment, but you seem to have miss part of my comment, where I said in my youngest days, I am now 71...you seem fixated on more recent times...I also know many people, young and old, some in my own family, that wish they'd never got tattoos in the first place

I stated that tattoos originated centuries ago, and know full well more and more get them nowadays. My main points in all this are that people that get tattoos aren't all low class, that all walks of life get them, for many different reasons as I've mentioned, that it's their business and doesn't affect anyone else, so they shouldn't care what others do, and that people who got tattoos in earlier days were not all sailors, gangs and hookers. 

23 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

so not many people can allow it to remove all their tattoos.... expensive, sometimes several treatments and sometimes not totally....and than I am not talking about the costs.

You did not mention anything about cost. You stated tattoos could not be removed when clearly they can be. So your post was BS. Simple 🤷🏼

8 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I stated that tattoos originated centuries ago, and know full well more and more get them nowadays. My main points in all this are that people that get tattoos aren't all low class, that all walks of life get them, for many different reasons as I've mentioned, that it's their business and doesn't affect anyone else, so they shouldn't care what others do, and that people who got tattoos in earlier days were not all sailors, gangs and hookers. 

Mate, geez, your age, or something else, is seriously affected you thinking...I never said all with tattoos were low class, just how many people do you know prior to say the 70s, certainly 60s, that had tattoos from middle class respectful families, do/did you know..I suggest very few, unless sailors, and those from the wrong side of the track...and be bloody honest.

24 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Mate, geez, your age, or something else, is seriously affected you thinking...I never said all with tattoos were low class, just how many people do you know prior to say the 70s, certainly 60s, that had tattoos from middle class respectful families, do/did you know..I suggest very few, unless sailors, and those from the wrong side of the track...and be bloody honest.

Nothing wrong with my thinking. Go back and see what I've been saying since the beginning. I know plenty of people who had tattoos when I was still in my teens, 20's and later. Your words,..........."but obviously you are far too young to know that tattoos, up until maybe the nineties, early 200p, tattoos were mainly for the worst of society..most people, men and woman, did not have tattoos".  Assumptions, like a few here make daily. Tattoos were not mainly for the worst of society. Thousands of military men had them, including my dad.

 

Musicians, bikers, celebrities, hippies and many more who were regular people, as tattoos again were always part of society. That you think most were the worst of society shows you knew very few people, and judged those with tattoos harshly.

 

Now, more gang members over the years have gotten them, and these aren't the best behaved people around, so the increase of those might have you thinking that it's the worst parts of society that has the most tattoos, but that would still be false, as there are hundreds of thousands of regular people from all walks of life that have them, and have had them for decades.

 

I started working out in 1974, and training people in 1979, in 6 gyms, and have seen thousands of people in the gyms I trained or worked at, and these were regular ordinary people, not the dregs of society, as most of the gyms I worked in or went to were not cheap dives but upscale clubs. What I didn't say was there were many with tattoos in the 60's, as I was only a preteen and teen then, and tattoos weren't something I would have seen as most people were fully clothed except on the beaches. You're close to my age, so you wouldn't have known either. 

4 hours ago, Reddavy said:

You did not mention anything about cost. You stated tattoos could not be removed when clearly they can be. So your post was BS. Simple 🤷🏼

The cost of tattoo removal varies significantly based on several factors, but you can expect to pay anywhere from $200 to $500 per session for laser removal. Larger, more colorful, and complex tattoos will require more sessions, potentially increasing the total cost from $1,000 to $10,000 or even more, according to GoodRx and Tatt2Away. 

 

How many people in Thailand can afford this if you have many tattoos??  Your comment is BS as you could easily find out on the internet but probably you don't know how to find it.....

 

here is another example: