8 hours ago, TedG said:

People like you.   I hope you are offended. 

Offend only possible by humans

8 hours ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

 

 

???

This problem could be solved in one day by eliminating all welfare payments to non citizens.  Every Western leader knows this but they do the owners' bidding and the owners want violent, 70 IQ heathens to destroy society from within so the owners can 'build back better'. They don't care what system is used, as long as they are in complete control. 

12 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

I wonder which country they'll move to as an option?

You make a very good point.

Well probably an easier one to get into to and get free benefits, like the UK?

13 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

EU laws do not offer that way

No, there is no absolute EU law preventing Germany from deporting illegal asylum seekers to a third country, but the process is heavily constrained by EU regulations, international human rights law, and practical challenges. The Dublin III Regulation allows transfers to other EU countries, and deportations to non-EU "safe third countries" are permissible if agreements exist and human rights standards are met.

32 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

No, there is no absolute EU law preventing Germany from deporting illegal asylum seekers to a third country, but the process is heavily constrained by EU regulations, international human rights law, and practical challenges. The Dublin III Regulation allows transfers to other EU countries, and deportations to non-EU "safe third countries" are permissible if agreements exist and human rights standards are met.

You mentioned some of the laws in your post by yourself🤣

16 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

You can "deport" an illegal migrant only if the recipient will take him/her back.

If this is not possible he/she will be your "guest".

Got it?

 

Does Thailand know that?

 

Reminds me of the last call announcement at the local bar years ago:

 

You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

 

7 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

You mentioned some of the laws in your post by yourself🤣

I mentioned the The Dublin III Regulation which allows transfers to other EU countries, and deportations to non-EU "safe third countries" are permissible if agreements exist and human rights standards are met.

 

So it can be done!      Which was my original point!

10 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

I mentioned the The Dublin III Regulation which allows transfers to other EU countries, and deportations to non-EU "safe third countries" are permissible if agreements exist and human rights standards are met.

 

So it can be done!      Which was my original point!

Well, that's not quite right:

Deportation to another third country is possible if the migrant has family ties there or holds a residence permit.

So it can't be done.

Good day

16 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Does Thailand know that?

 

Reminds me of the last call announcement at the local bar years ago:

 

You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

 

Well, not Thailand.

But I was referring to former posts. And it was about Europe/EU

5 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, that's not quite right:

Deportation to another third country is possible if the migrant has family ties there or holds a residence permit.

So it can't be done.

Good day

NO.....it can be done....

Deportation to a third country (outside the EU) is possible under German and EU law, but it’s not limited to cases where the migrant has family ties or holds a residence permit in that country. Those factors can facilitate deportation by establishing a connection to the third country, making it more likely to be deemed a “safe third country” under international law. However, Germany can also deport to third countries without such ties if:

 

Safe Third Country Status: The destination country is designated as safe, meaning it protects against persecution and inhumane treatment, per EU law and the European Convention on Human Rights.

 

Bilateral Agreements: Germany or the EU has an agreement with the third country to accept deportees, as explored in recent discussions about processing asylum claims outside the EU (e.g., similar to the UK-Rwanda model).

 

Legal Conditions: The deportation complies with due process, including assessing the individual’s circumstances to ensure no risk of harm.

 

Good Day🙄

 

 

14 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

agreement with the third country to accept deportees,

Well, that's what I post here since months.

The clause " if the recipient will accept"  is the most important.

If not....the "guests" will stay.

If it would be so easy - as you want to emphasize - we would have deportations every day. But we don't.

So the judicial problems are much bigger than your poorly copy/post attempts.

Don't worry, enjoy your day 

9 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Well, that's what I post here since months.

The clause " if the recipient will accept"  is the most important.

If not....the "guests" will stay.

If it would be so easy - as you want to emphasize - we would have deportations every day. But we don't.

So the judicial problems are much bigger than your poorly copy/post attempts.

Don't worry, enjoy your day 

Don't worry???? Why I should be worried??

 

Deportation to third countries is legally possible, the practical reality—dependent on recipient acceptance—means it’s far from routine. So yes it does not happen every day.

 

But your comment.....

"Deportation to another third country is possible if the migrant has family ties there or holds a residence permit.

So it can't be done."

Is factually incorrect!

 

You have a good one!

2 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Don't worry???? Why I should be worried??

 

Deportation to third countries is legally possible, the practical reality—dependent on recipient acceptance—means it’s far from routine. So yes it does not happen every day.

 

But your comment.....

"Deportation to another third country is possible if the migrant has family ties there or holds a residence permit.

So it can't be done."

Is factually incorrect!

 

You have a good one!

Well, if you insist on your ill information so be happy with it.

I don't care.

Just now, newbee2022 said:

Well, if you insist on your ill information so be happy with it.

I don't care.

The truth hurts??

This policy change by Germany is highly questionable. Germany must acknowledge its lack of diversity and take decisive steps to embrace it. Diversity is essential for the strength and resilience of humanity.

3 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

The truth hurts??

No, only your ignorance and incapability to learn makes we wonder.

Just now, newbee2022 said:

No, only your ignorance and incapability to learn makes we wonder.

So instead of a substantive rebuttal. You call people ignorant?? I wonder why?

18 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Again you show that you don't understand laws.

I'll explain it again to you (last time):

You can "deport" an illegal migrant only if the recipient will take him/her back.

If this is not possible he/she will be your "guest".

Got it?

 

There is an added issue.  If the person knows you are coming for them then they can just walk downthe road to a different country stay there for awhile and come back.

 

Unfortunatley either the whole EU has to agree or they have to bring back the borders

15 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

 

There is an added issue.  If the person knows you are coming for them then they can just walk downthe road to a different country stay there for awhile and come back.

 

Unfortunatley either the whole EU has to agree or they have to bring back the borders

Correct

20 hours ago, Cameroni said:

This is just virtue signalling by Merz, if he were serious about the migrant problem, he'd do what Trump did and deport a large number of people. But he lacks the testicular fortitude to do that. His change about lawyer access will only  impact a tiny minority of asylum applicants who were already denied aslyum. It' will have almost no effect, at most a few hundred people.

 

I have no statistical breakdown of Germany's asylum seekers, nor do I have precise numbers for the UK's. However, a recent report in UK media did suggest that the majority of them being put up in taxpayer-funded hotels are those who have already had their initial asylum claim rejected and are now on appeal. The average appeal time was quoted as being 'up to 12 months'.

 

The German approach of curtailing their right to appeal by restricting access to lawyers isn't enough. They should strictly time-limit the time allowed for both filing and hearing any appeal. If they cannot manage that, or if the lawyers find it all too challenging, then just make all asylum claims a process of one-strike and you're out. If you fail, you are deported.  This is also something that should be considered by the UK government.

 

Meanwhile, all European governments that are bearing the brunt of the costs and social upheaval of illegal migration should collectively take the lamentable failures of the ECHR (the UK's EHRC) laws back to those who created them, as their one-size fits-all human rights rulings are simply not fit for purpose. How can anyone sit in their legal ivory tower, witness what's happening and say that it is up to society and governments to make something that is fundamentally unwanted and unworkable, work?

1 hour ago, nick supreme said:

This policy change by Germany is highly questionable. Germany must acknowledge its lack of diversity and take decisive steps to embrace it. Diversity is essential for the strength and resilience of humanity.

 

While keeping in mind that criminality weakens the strength and resilience of humanity.

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

The German approach of curtailing their right to appeal

 

I don't think they are curtailing the asylum applicants right to appeal. They still have every right to appeal, they just need to find and pay their own lawyers.

 

Basically it's much too late now. The EU countries and the UK have signalled that they are willing to take foreigners, and you can hardly blame the destitute foreigners looking for a better economic life for wanting to go to the land of milk and honey, as they see it. You need to blame your local politicians who created this mess. It's not the lawyers, it's the politicians who put these laws in place.

 

Now, really, what would be required is a wholesale deportation effort a la Trump, do you think asylum claims in the US will go up and down with the politicis he's signalling? That's what the EU and UK should be doing if they really want to deal with the massive problem of estrangement of entire swathes of their own countries that are settled by foreign peoples. But no EU or UK politician has the courage to do what Trump is doing and embarking on mass deportations.

 

Fiddling with the system as it is will do very little, the waves will still be coming.  The ECHR is a good thing though, and you can't just have human rights for locals, they obviously apply to everyone, the only thing is they need to be interpreted properly and sensible calibrations need to be made there, obviously to not deport a criminal because he's trans and argues he'll be descriminated against makes a mockery of the whole notion of human rights.

16 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

While keeping in mind that criminality weakens the strength and resilience of humanity.

It's a troll account.

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

No, only your ignorance and incapability to learn makes we wonder.

 

The pot calls out loud again.

2 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

 

There is an added issue.  If the person knows you are coming for them then they can just walk downthe road to a different country stay there for awhile and come back.

 

Unfortunatley either the whole EU has to agree or they have to bring back the borders

 

There's an idea.

     I consider myself a liberal but I am all for border securty and the deportation of individuals who are found to be illegally in a country--any country.  I don't see this as a liberal or conservative position, just a common sense one.  Why should a country's taxpayers be asked to pay to support these people who are illegally in their country?   The money should be going to support the needs of its legal citizens, especially since so many countries are carrying large amounts of debt, budgets are stretched thin, and public services are being stretched to the breaking point in some cases. 

Germany’s chancellor wants to end the flow of illegals.  Now he is saying the welfare is too expensive. 

 

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/friedrich-merz-germany-welfare-spending-europe-39d01121?mod=Searchresults_pos2&page=1

 

A Politician Speaks the Unspeakable

Germany’s Friedrich Merz says the current welfare state isn’t affordable.

 

Some parts of Europe are starting to face reality. 

20 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

No, there is no absolute EU law preventing Germany from deporting illegal asylum seekers to a third country, but the process is heavily constrained by EU regulations, international human rights law, and practical challenges. The Dublin III Regulation allows transfers to other EU countries, and deportations to non-EU "safe third countries" are permissible if agreements exist and human rights standards are met.

 

Islamification of Europe is codified into law. Instead of going after the owners, Europeans blame the migrants for doing what Arabs do. 

 

 Find out who the owners are and BDS (boycott, divest, sanction) their businesses like the world did to Israel and brought them to their knees.  CEOs in the US are terrified, but they're just puppets for a small group who controls everything. 

On 8/26/2025 at 3:58 AM, newbee2022 said:

Well, that's not quite right:

Deportation to another third country is possible if the migrant has family ties there or holds a residence permit.

So it can't be done.

Good day

What you don't seem to grasp is that if you come to Germany you have to travel through a buch of save counties to get there. So if you are a refugee the Dublin agreement saxs you can be sent back to the Eu-Country you set foot in first... so usualy Greece, Italy and Spain