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Ukraine is winning the war

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BRUSSELS, Dec 3 (Reuters) - The European Union agreed on Wednesday to phase out Russian gas imports by late 2027 as part of an effort to end the bloc's decade-long dependency on Russian energy.

 

Representatives for EU governments and the European Parliament reached an agreement in the early hours of Wednesday on proposals set out by the European Commission in June to end shipments from the EU's former top gas supplier following Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

 

Under the agreement, the European Union will permanently halt the import of Russian gas and move towards a phase-out of Russian oil. Liquefied natural gas imports will be phased out by the end of 2026 and pipeline gas by the end of September 2027.

 

EU agrees on phasing out Russian gas imports by late 2027

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"Lies are slowly devouring us". How truth becomes a victim of war: Ukrainska Pravda decided to examine what the puzzle of big and small lies during the Russian-Ukrainian war consists of - UkrPravda

 

 

 

"It has changed," he says with sadness. "Those who came to the army – adequate, motivated people who wanted to change something – either died, or realized they were becoming part of this system. And so, if possible, they left the army; some even left the country, saying: ‘We don’t want to be here anymore, because this is not what we fought for.’" 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainska_Pravda

A strange technical failure has immobilized hundreds of Porsche vehicles across Russia, leaving owners unable to unlock their doors or start their engines — and prompting questions about whether the disruption was accidental or something more targeted.

 

Drivers in Moscow, Krasnodar, and several other regions began reporting identical problems late last week. Engines shut down without warning, fuel systems were blocked, and cars refused to unlock even with functioning key fobs. In many cases, vehicles became completely undriveable.

 

Russia’s largest dealership group, Rolf, said it received a surge of service calls after the cars “lost connection with their onboard alarm modules,” which connect to Porsche’s Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) via satellite. According to the company, all Porsche models and engine types appear to be vulnerable, and any affected car could potentially lock itself automatically.

 

Ukraine changing tactics? Hundreds of Russian luxury cars hit by mystery breakdown

 

Hundreds of Russian luxury cars hit by mystery breakdown© PJ McDonnell / Shutterstock.com

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Vehicles require partial disassembly to restart

Because the issue stems from the security system itself, a simple software update isn’t enough to fix it. Rolf told Russian media that restoring functionality requires manually resetting the VTS module — a process that often involves partially dismantling the car.

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

A strange technical failure has immobilized hundreds of Porsche vehicles across Russia, leaving owners unable to unlock their doors or start their engines — and prompting questions about whether the disruption was accidental or something more targeted.

 

Drivers in Moscow, Krasnodar, and several other regions began reporting identical problems late last week. Engines shut down without warning, fuel systems were blocked, and cars refused to unlock even with functioning key fobs. In many cases, vehicles became completely undriveable.

 

Russia’s largest dealership group, Rolf, said it received a surge of service calls after the cars “lost connection with their onboard alarm modules,” which connect to Porsche’s Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) via satellite. According to the company, all Porsche models and engine types appear to be vulnerable, and any affected car could potentially lock itself automatically.

 

Ukraine changing tactics? Hundreds of Russian luxury cars hit by mystery breakdown

 

Hundreds of Russian luxury cars hit by mystery breakdown© PJ McDonnell / Shutterstock.com

porche.jpg.65617ec890b0a85e8619294a1bd0804a.jpg

 

Vehicles require partial disassembly to restart

Because the issue stems from the security system itself, a simple software update isn’t enough to fix it. Rolf told Russian media that restoring functionality requires manually resetting the VTS module — a process that often involves partially dismantling the car.

 

Now, Stellantis, do your thing.

 

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And Tesla, while they are at it.

 

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On 8/25/2025 at 5:05 PM, Jingthing said:

To assert otherwise is to parrot Russian propaganda.

Don't fall for that. So many have, on this forum, President Trump and his vile ignorance and idiocy saying Ukraine has no cards, etc.

Hint -- look at the bigger picture beyond the tiny land gains Russia has made in the last 1000 days (tiny win, massive sacrifices).

The war is about much more than that.

Ukraine is not winning overwhelmingly; it remains an intense epic struggle, but on balance they are doing better than Russia and Putin has failed miserably to achieve his goals of his invasion of 2022.

Putin obviously wants Ukraine to surrender. Trump depending on his fickle mood at the time also wants Ukraine to surrender.

Countries that are winning, even modestly, are not ever going to surrender.

 

 

 

What is Rupert Murdock media, that you seem to trust so much, been saying about the Ukrainian's march on Moscow? Or is this more neocon propaganda like we heard about WMD in Iraq??? Surely with all the game changer equipment like Abrams, Challengers, F-16's, Leopards, Bradleys, Strykers, Rafales......... it should be imminent. 

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19 minutes ago, pegman said:

What is Rupert Murdock media, that you seem to trust so much, been saying about the Ukrainian's march on Moscow? Or is this more neocon propaganda like we heard about WMD in Iraq??? Surely with all the game changer equipment like Abrams, Challengers, F-16's, Leopards, Bradleys, Strykers, Rafales......... it should be imminent. 

What a load of silliness.

I have no affiliation to the politics of Murdoch.

What march on Moscow?!?

Ukraine has zero interest in marching on Moscow.

Ukraine is only trying to fight to be a sovereign separate nation from Russia.

Your sarcastic imminent snark is completely ridiculous.

 

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21 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

We're not judgemental here - anything goes ! 

Who is we...........?  🤗

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1 hour ago, transam said:

Who is we...........?  🤗

I was giving this place a rest out of respect for the oldies don't wake me up again ! Pattaya has had the first clean air since we got here a few days ago I intend to enjoy it. I helped a Russian woman with a pram get onto the baht bus yesterday good deeds are waiting to be done. 

I like Peter Hitchens, but I loved his brother even more for his eloquence, despite vehemently disagreeing with his stance on Iraq. Nuance is possible

 

PETER HITCHENS: Bundles of banknotes under beds and golden lavatories in their bathrooms... the truth about 'saintly' Ukraine is now clear for all to see. The myth has been exposed - DAILY MAIL + 

 

https://archive.ph/HRD7Q#selection-506.0-507.180

 

Is it time we looked behind this actually rather misleading image of Ukraine as a paradise of birdsong, goodness and sunshine, and began to treat it as a normal country? If we did that, would the leaders of Europe be so keen to commit themselves to a forever war on the shores of the Black Sea? For that is what they are now doing.
And on the face of it, it is very strange behaviour. Several EU leaders were very doubtful about George W Bush’s policy of offering Ukraine Nato membership. When they agreed it at the Nato summit in Bucharest in April 2008, they knew it broke pledges made to Moscow at the end of the Cold War.
They knew it risked conflict, which would certainly damage their economies and might lead to uncontrolled violence in our continent. But in the dying months of his presidency Bush wanted it, a lot, and pushed for it, hard. So they gave it to him.

30 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I was giving this place a rest out of respect for the oldies don't wake me up again ! Pattaya has had the first clean air since we got here a few days ago I intend to enjoy it. I helped a Russian woman with a pram get onto the baht bus yesterday good deeds are waiting to be done. 

Were you searching for a Russian to give a ..........:thumbsup:................😏

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Were you searching for a Russian to give a ..........:thumbsup:................😏

I'm assuming Russian she may well have been Ukrainian they are very similar slavic people's with a shared history,heritage and orthodox religion 

Like some of the US draft dodgers who inhabit this parish - hell no we won't go. 

 

Youth exodus — Ukraine's young people are increasingly quitting their jobs to go abroad - KYIV INDEPENDENT 

 

https://kyivindependent.com/youth-exodus-ukraines-young-people-are-increasingly-quitting-their-jobs-to-go-abroad/

 

The majority believe that the state should also step in to help, for example, by offering tax breaks or internship programs. With many young men fearing being recruited to the military amid the never-ending bloodshed, other options could include increasing the number of exemptions from the army or guaranteeing exemptions after they reach 25 years old, the mobilization age.

Rubikon is a genuine game-changer Russia has tapped straight into youth gamer culture and turned it into a drone-warfare pipeline. These operators never see the front lines, but their joysticks shape the battlefield. It’s the gamification of warfare, weaponised at scale

 

'Russians really scale'— How Moscow built a drone system that now threatens to end Ukraine’s front-line aerial dominance

New Russian drone initiatives have eroded Ukraine's early edge in UAV warfare, reshaping the battle for the skies - KYIV INDEPENDENT

 

https://kyivindependent.com/russians-really-scale-how-moscow-built-a-drone-system-that-now-threatens-to-tilt-the-balance-on-the-battlefield-in-ukraine/

 

Rubikon specializes in hunting down Ukrainian drone units — the pilots themselves, but also shooting their UAVs out of the sky.

Video montages — often multiple daily — frequently focus on Rubikon interceptions of Baba Yagas. These heavy bomber units based off of DJI Matrices but outfitted with thermal cameras have allowed Ukrainian units to terrorize Russian soldiers by night and have been a consistent area of Ukrainian aerial dominance in the nocturnal near-front, as rank-and-file Russian soldiers have lacked the night vision necessary to strike back. "Baba Yaga" comes from Russians naming it after a dread witch of folklore.

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3 hours ago, transam said:

Were you searching for a Russian to give a ..........:thumbsup:................😏

 

What a strange post from the resident Trot. Does he make a habit of asking the nationalities of women pushing prams? Is he assuming that the strange language he heard being spoken was Russian? Or a frankly racist (russcist) assumption that everyone speaking Russian must be Russian?

 

Or more likely, it a made up or embellished story. ie woman with pram didn't exist, or, for the purposes of the story, he decided she was a Russian.

1 minute ago, Roadsternut said:

 

What a strange post from the resident Trot. Does he make a habit of asking the nationalities of women pushing prams? Is he assuming that the strange language he heard being spoken was Russian? Or a frankly racist (russcist) assumption that everyone speaking Russian must be Russian?

 

Or more likely, it a made up or embellished story. ie woman with pram didn't exist, or, for the purposes of the story, he decided she was a Russian.

Could be.........😉

The other day a bloke on here said he told lies, so yes, we have all sorts on here................🤪

8 hours ago, pegman said:

Surely with all the game changer equipment like Abrams, Challengers, F-16's, Leopards, Bradleys, Strykers, Rafales......... it should be imminent. 

 

3 years in, Ukraine is still very much in the fight, facing an enemy, that on paper, out numbers it in every respect. Ukrainian resistance, bolstered by choice Western defence acquisitions (donated, or now, mostly purchased) has resulted in undeniable changes and tensions in Russian society that Putin had not anticipated. Its doubtful before 2022, he had planned for continued high double digit inflation, elevated interest rates, and enforced cut in the healthcare budget, having to deal with mutinies in his armed forces and attempted coups, having to empty the prisons to make up for losses in the military, having to modify nuclear delivery systems to deliver non-nuclear munitions, having to suffer territorial losses himself, catastrophic falls in exports of anything,  loss of one third of the Black Sea fleet and more. If in January 2022, he had stood up, ashen faced, to tell the Russian Duma that Russia had to prepare itself for a state of total war, resulting in the loss of many of the societal gains Russia had made since the fall of the USSR, I doubt he would be President now. So yeah, all of those systems had made a difference.

 

In 2008, Russia simply rolled over Georgia, smashed up Tblisi then <deleted> off. I imagine he thought this was how it was going to go this time around.

On 12/2/2025 at 11:36 AM, connda said:

I did not.  I posted the picture to reflect "conditions on the ground." Not the content of the Op-Ed which was written last April.  Ancient history now.

:angry: "Ukraine Is Winning!!! Slava Ukraine!!!"

:biggrin:  Pokrovsk is now Krasnoarmeysk as Russia takes the city and closes the Pakrovsk Caldron. Volchansk is now under Russian control.  The Russia "Meat-Grinder" grinds steadily Eastward swallowing Ukrainian armed forces and land with the current front breaking down hardened positions in Guliaipole as Russian troops head for Zaporizhzhia city. 
 

:angry: Meanwhile in Miami, Ukrainian negotiators: "We won't concede an inch of Eastern Ukraine, all of which is strategically insignificant. Ukraine Is Winning!!! We fight to the last AFU soldier.

:biggrin: Putin: "Fine by us.  A military solution to the SMO is agreeable.  See you in Kiev.  By the way.  How are those corruption investigations going!"  :wink: 

 

 “I certainly keep open the possibility that Putin could suddenly disappear,” he says.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/i-was-the-uk-s-last-soviet-union-ambassador-here-s-how-putin-can-lose/ar-AA1RBAyC?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

 Braithwaite questions whether Putin can “sustain this relentless loss of men for very little territorial gain”.

 

 

Trump has personally underlined this danger in a bid to persuade Putin to negotiate. Claiming there were “long lines waiting for gasoline” in Russia following Ukrainian attacks on its oil refineries, the US President said in October that the “economy is going to collapse” if the war doesn’t end.

 

2 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

 

What a strange post from the resident Trot. Does he make a habit of asking the nationalities of women pushing prams? Is he assuming that the strange language he heard being spoken was Russian? Or a frankly racist (russcist) assumption that everyone speaking Russian must be Russian?

 

Or more likely, it a made up or embellished story. ie woman with pram didn't exist, or, for the purposes of the story, he decided she was a Russian.

"He" who you are not engaging with as I am an ex-Trotskyite currently lives in Jomtien where Russians predominate especially on the baht buses (we shall stick to Bolt hereonin - it's filthy and we aren't impoverished and is much more pleasant. I did 1 year Russian language when at school in the 70s. She said "spaseeba" - thankyou. As she was on her own with a young child in a pram we could speculate maybe he is serving at  a well recompensed level in the war and is happy for his wife and young child to overwinter in their second home. Or he could be out whoring like the rest of you or somewhere in between. I have noticed that the Ukrainian Colonel Sanders lookalike and playboy who went around on a scooter with music blaring out has dissapeared in the last couple of years. 

 

Plus ther stats make it a reasonable assumption to make; 

 

 2024 (last year):

  • Russian visitors: 1,745,327 arrivals. nso.go.th
    (This number comes from the Thai Statistical Yearbook / Ministry of Tourism & Sports table “International Tourist Arrivals to Thailand by Nationality” for 2024; the yearbook notes data are current as of 6 Jan 2025.) nso.go.th

  • Ukrainian visitors: ≈ 44,956 arrivals (2024). Wikipedia
    (Ukraine’s arrivals are much smaller and commonly appear in the detailed country breakdowns; one compiled reproduction of the official 2024 country table shows Ukraine ~44,956.

Someone wrongly asserted up thread that China and Russia were falling out - far from it. 

 

Investigation: Secret visits to Moscow by China’s military expose deep defense cooperation, military procurement deals

The Kyiv Independent identified four dozen Chinese officers and defense industry employees who quietly visited Russia to negotiate military contracts during Russia's war in Ukraine

 

https://kyivindependent.com/investigation-chinese-military-officials-quiet-visits-to-moscow-exposed/

 

    After Russia launched its full-scale war against Ukraine, China decided to purchase Russian aircraft, combat vehicles, ammunition, and equipment to enhance its paratroopers.
    Chinese officers and representatives of defense manufacturers have repeatedly visited Russia to inspect examples of weaponry and negotiate deals.
    In 2023 and 2024, Beijing entered into several confidential contracts with Moscow to acquire Russian armaments, with the funds intended for Russian arms manufacturers being subject to international sanctions.
    The known deadline for implementing some of the contracts is 2027.
    The Kyiv Independent has identified several dozen Chinese military personnel and employees of arms manufacturers who continued to cooperate with the Russian arms industry, thereby violating international sanctions.

Also recent users with low posts counts with recent vistors count blocked can often be trolls or bad faith actors. Just saying -  I am who I am of 15 years standing ! My member is advanced. 

3 hours ago, sharot724 said:

 “I certainly keep open the possibility that Putin could suddenly disappear,” he says.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/i-was-the-uk-s-last-soviet-union-ambassador-here-s-how-putin-can-lose/ar-AA1RBAyC?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

 Braithwaite questions whether Putin can “sustain this relentless loss of men for very little territorial gain”.

 

 

Trump has personally underlined this danger in a bid to persuade Putin to negotiate. Claiming there were “long lines waiting for gasoline” in Russia following Ukrainian attacks on its oil refineries, the US President said in October that the “economy is going to collapse” if the war doesn’t end.

 

 

Germany was winning in WW1 until suddenly it wasn't. The Ludendorff Offensive gained Germany some land, inflicted more casualties on the Allies than on Germany. But Germany had nothing left in the tank when the Americans arrived.

 

It was the same in '44; German Wunderwaffen caused disarray among the Allied ranks, Bastogne, a key junction, looked destined to fall. It never did. The German plan was to seize Antwerp, which if they did, might have changed events (the offensive in the West would have ground to a halt because of logistics).

 

Russian reserves; there aren't any. Heavy armour has all but disappeared from the battlefield. Amazingly, 3 years in, the Ukrainian Air Force, with fresh aircraft and crews, is able to mount attacks to support ground units.

 

The IDF achieved complete air superiority over Iran in 4 days. The Russian VSK failed in 3 years. Allied Shock and Awe over Iraq virtually eliminated the Iraqi Air Force before a single tank had crossed the frontier. The inability of the Russian AF to achieve Air Superiority is a big mystery, up there with Goering's failure to press home his attacks on the RAF. Instead, the Russian AF has expended vast amounts of expensive munitions on relatively unimportant tagets (a block of flats or taking out IKEA is sad for the civvies, but thats one less $10m missile launched at an actual military target). Ukrainian armaments production hasn't moved to vast underground facilities like WW2. Its dispersed, and output has ratcheted up.

 

Its also a mystery that this hasn't lead to wholesale sackings in the Russian AF leadership. What is going on. Is this one branch of the Russian military that isn't entirely on board with the whole (mis)adventure of Putin's?

 

The Russian economy is largely propped up by state money; the contracts to support the military, everything from missiles to tins of soup. There is likely gargantuan grifting going on. So its a facade. If the government is forced to print money, the jig is up. Everything depends on the Russian access to its reserves.

On the night of December 4, Russians reported explosions in the city of Oryol and in Russia’s Stavropol Krai. In one of the cities, unknown drones reportedly attacked a chemical plant, according to Russian and monitoring Telegram channels. At around 2 a.m. Kyiv time, the SHOT channel reported that about 10 explosions were heard over Oryol within half an hour.

 

At the same time, social media reports indicated that explosions occurred in Nevinnomyssk in Russia’s Stavropol Krai. Russians counted at least six loud blasts. A little later, monitoring channels reported that, preliminarily, the Nevinnomyssk Azot chemical plant was hit. Judging by the footage, a fire broke out in the area of the facility.

 

This plant is considered one of Russia’s largest producers of nitrogen fertilizers and ammonia, as well as raw materials for explosives.

“Main products manufactured include ammonia, urea, melamine, ammonium nitrate, liquid nitrogen fertilizers (UAN-32), complex mineral fertilizers, acetic acid, and vinyl acetate,” one social media channel reported.

 

Drone attack hits Oryol and Stavropol Krai in Russia, sparks blaze at chemical factory

The plant is a regular supplier of chemical components to NPO Iskra – one of Russia’s largest machine-building enterprises and a developer and manufacturer of solid-fuel rocket engines and their components for various missile systems.

The plant also supplies raw materials for the production of powerful explosives – RDX and HMX – at the Sverdlov Plant in Dzerzhinsk, Nizhny Novgorod region.

These explosives, in turn, are used to produce artillery shells and warheads for missiles.

 

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2 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

 

Germany was winning in WW1 until suddenly it wasn't. The Ludendorff Offensive gained Germany some land, inflicted more casualties on the Allies than on Germany. But Germany had nothing left in the tank when the Americans arrived.

 

It was the same in '44; German Wunderwaffen caused disarray among the Allied ranks, Bastogne, a key junction, looked destined to fall. It never did. The German plan was to seize Antwerp, which if they did, might have changed events (the offensive in the West would have ground to a halt because of logistics).

 

Russian reserves; there aren't any. Heavy armour has all but disappeared from the battlefield. Amazingly, 3 years in, the Ukrainian Air Force, with fresh aircraft and crews, is able to mount attacks to support ground units.

 

The IDF achieved complete air superiority over Iran in 4 days. The Russian VSK failed in 3 years. Allied Shock and Awe over Iraq virtually eliminated the Iraqi Air Force before a single tank had crossed the frontier. The inability of the Russian AF to achieve Air Superiority is a big mystery, up there with Goering's failure to press home his attacks on the RAF. Instead, the Russian AF has expended vast amounts of expensive munitions on relatively unimportant tagets (a block of flats or taking out IKEA is sad for the civvies, but thats one less $10m missile launched at an actual military target). Ukrainian armaments production hasn't moved to vast underground facilities like WW2. Its dispersed, and output has ratcheted up.

 

Its also a mystery that this hasn't lead to wholesale sackings in the Russian AF leadership. What is going on. Is this one branch of the Russian military that isn't entirely on board with the whole (mis)adventure of Putin's?

 

The Russian economy is largely propped up by state money; the contracts to support the military, everything from missiles to tins of soup. There is likely gargantuan grifting going on. So its a facade. If the government is forced to print money, the jig is up. Everything depends on the Russian access to its reserves.

Below is a clear, accurate list of all countries that fought Germany on land in WW1, counting British Empire dominions as separate entities, AND including approximate troop numbers actually deployed against Germany (either on the Western Front, Eastern Front, Africa, or other German-held territories).

Troop numbers are rounded, based on mainstream historical estimates.


🇫🇷 1. FRANCE

Fought Germany: 1914–1918
Troops deployed: ~8,400,000
Where: Entire Western Front


🇬🇧 2. UNITED KINGDOM (Britain)

Fought Germany: 1914–1918
Troops deployed: ~5,700,000 total, but
Troops fighting Germany directly: ~1,900,000–2,200,000
Where: Western Front, Africa, Middle East (colonial forces opposing German colonies)


🇷🇺 3. RUSSIA (Imperial)

Fought Germany: 1914–1917
Troops deployed against Germany: ~4,900,000–5,400,000
Where: Eastern Front (Poland, East Prussia, Galicia)


🇧🇪 4. BELGIUM

Fought Germany: 1914–1918
Troops fighting Germany: ~260,000
Where: Belgium/Western Front


🇷🇸 5. SERBIA

Fought Germany: intermittent (mainly 1915)
Troops fighting Germany: ~350,000 (mostly fighting Austria-Hungary, but engaged German units during 1915 invasion)
Where: Balkans


🇵🇹 6. PORTUGAL

Fought Germany: 1917–1918
Troops deployed: ~100,000
Where: Flanders (Western Front) & Africa (German East Africa)


🇷🇴 7. ROMANIA

Fought Germany: 1916–1917
Troops deployed: ~650,000
Where: Transylvania, Wallachia, Moldavia


🇮🇹 8. ITALY

Fought Germany: 1917–1918 (mostly Austria-Hungary earlier)
Troops fighting Germany directly: ~250,000–300,000
Where: Italian Front (after German divisions reinforced Austria-Hungary)


🇬🇷 9. GREECE

Fought Germany: From 1917
Troops deployed: ~230,000 (not all against Germany; many against Bulgaria)
Where: Macedonian Front (limited German engagement)


🇺🇸 10. UNITED STATES

Fought Germany: 1917–1918
Troops deployed in combat against Germany: ~2,000,000
Where: Western Front (Meuse-Argonne, St. Mihiel, etc.)


🇨🇦 BRITISH EMPIRE DOMINIONS AS SEPARATE ENTITIES

These countries fought as part of the British Empire, but fielded their own armies and are now historically counted separately.


🇨🇦 11. CANADA

Troops deployed against Germany: ~620,000
(Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele, Amiens)


🇦🇺 12. AUSTRALIA

Troops fighting Germany: ~332,000
(Mainly Western Front; also captured German New Guinea)


🇳🇿 13. NEW ZEALAND

Troops fighting Germany: ~100,000
(Western Front; also seized German Samoa)


🇿🇦 14. SOUTH AFRICA

Troops fighting Germany: ~136,000
(Fought German South West Africa; divisions later fought on Western Front)


🇮🇳 15. INDIA (British India)

Troops fighting Germany: ~1,300,000 in total service, but
Against Germany specifically: ~140,000 in France/Flanders + tens of thousands in Africa
Where: Western Front, East Africa


🇳🇱 Other British Empire forces

(lesser numbers but still boots on the ground vs Germany)

16. Newfoundland (not yet part of Canada)

Troops: ~6,000
(Beaumont-Hamel, etc.)

17. Rhodesia, West African colonies

Troops: small numbers (tens of thousands collectively through the King’s African Rifles)
Where: German East Africa campaign


🗺️ TOTAL COUNTRIES THAT FOUGHT GERMANY ON LAND

17 countries/entities:

  1. France

  2. United Kingdom

  3. Russia

  4. Belgium

  5. Serbia

  6. Portugal

  7. Romania

  8. Italy

  9. Greece

  10. United States

British Empire Dominions counted separately:

  1. Canada

  2. Australia

  3. New Zealand

  4. South Africa

  5. India

  6. Newfoundland

  7. African colonial forces (East/West Africa regiments fighting German East Africa)

 

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Below is a clear, accurate list of all countries that fought Germany on land in WW1, counting British Empire dominions as separate entities, AND including approximate troop numbers actually deployed against Germany (either on the Western Front, Eastern Front, Africa, or other German-held territories).

Troop numbers are rounded, based on mainstream historical estimates.


🇫🇷 1. FRANCE

Fought Germany: 1914–1918
Troops deployed: ~8,400,000
Where: Entire Western Front


🇬🇧 2. UNITED KINGDOM (Britain)

Fought Germany: 1914–1918
Troops deployed: ~5,700,000 total, but
Troops fighting Germany directly: ~1,900,000–2,200,000
Where: Western Front, Africa, Middle East (colonial forces opposing German colonies)


🇷🇺 3. RUSSIA (Imperial)

Fought Germany: 1914–1917
Troops deployed against Germany: ~4,900,000–5,400,000
Where: Eastern Front (Poland, East Prussia, Galicia)


🇧🇪 4. BELGIUM

Fought Germany: 1914–1918
Troops fighting Germany: ~260,000
Where: Belgium/Western Front


🇷🇸 5. SERBIA

Fought Germany: intermittent (mainly 1915)
Troops fighting Germany: ~350,000 (mostly fighting Austria-Hungary, but engaged German units during 1915 invasion)
Where: Balkans


🇵🇹 6. PORTUGAL

Fought Germany: 1917–1918
Troops deployed: ~100,000
Where: Flanders (Western Front) & Africa (German East Africa)


🇷🇴 7. ROMANIA

Fought Germany: 1916–1917
Troops deployed: ~650,000
Where: Transylvania, Wallachia, Moldavia


🇮🇹 8. ITALY

Fought Germany: 1917–1918 (mostly Austria-Hungary earlier)
Troops fighting Germany directly: ~250,000–300,000
Where: Italian Front (after German divisions reinforced Austria-Hungary)


🇬🇷 9. GREECE

Fought Germany: From 1917
Troops deployed: ~230,000 (not all against Germany; many against Bulgaria)
Where: Macedonian Front (limited German engagement)


🇺🇸 10. UNITED STATES

Fought Germany: 1917–1918
Troops deployed in combat against Germany: ~2,000,000
Where: Western Front (Meuse-Argonne, St. Mihiel, etc.)


🇨🇦 BRITISH EMPIRE DOMINIONS AS SEPARATE ENTITIES

These countries fought as part of the British Empire, but fielded their own armies and are now historically counted separately.


🇨🇦 11. CANADA

Troops deployed against Germany: ~620,000
(Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele, Amiens)


🇦🇺 12. AUSTRALIA

Troops fighting Germany: ~332,000
(Mainly Western Front; also captured German New Guinea)


🇳🇿 13. NEW ZEALAND

Troops fighting Germany: ~100,000
(Western Front; also seized German Samoa)


🇿🇦 14. SOUTH AFRICA

Troops fighting Germany: ~136,000
(Fought German South West Africa; divisions later fought on Western Front)


🇮🇳 15. INDIA (British India)

Troops fighting Germany: ~1,300,000 in total service, but
Against Germany specifically: ~140,000 in France/Flanders + tens of thousands in Africa
Where: Western Front, East Africa


🇳🇱 Other British Empire forces

(lesser numbers but still boots on the ground vs Germany)

16. Newfoundland (not yet part of Canada)

Troops: ~6,000
(Beaumont-Hamel, etc.)

17. Rhodesia, West African colonies

Troops: small numbers (tens of thousands collectively through the King’s African Rifles)
Where: German East Africa campaign


🗺️ TOTAL COUNTRIES THAT FOUGHT GERMANY ON LAND

17 countries/entities:

  1. France

  2. United Kingdom

  3. Russia

  4. Belgium

  5. Serbia

  6. Portugal

  7. Romania

  8. Italy

  9. Greece

  10. United States

British Empire Dominions counted separately:

  1. Canada

  2. Australia

  3. New Zealand

  4. South Africa

  5. India

  6. Newfoundland

  7. African colonial forces (East/West Africa regiments fighting German East Africa)

 

Below is a **complete, clear list** of all countries that **fought *for* Germany on land in WW1**, with **approximate troop numbers actually deployed**.
This includes **Germany’s allies, puppet states, and co-belligerents**, counted similarly to the list you requested for the Allied side.

These are **estimates from mainstream historical sources** (Keegan, Strachan, Tucker, Military Encyclopedias).

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# 🇩🇪 **1. GERMANY (main belligerent)**

**Troops mobilized:** **~13,200,000**
**Troops who actually fought in land combat:** **~11,000,000–11,500,000**
**Where:** Western Front, Eastern Front, Balkans, Africa, Middle East

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# 🇦🇹🇭🇺 **2. AUSTRIA–HUNGARY**

**Troops mobilized:** **~8,000,000**
**Troops in land combat:** **~7,300,000**
**Where:**

* Eastern Front vs Russia
* Serbian Front
* Italian Front
* Western Front (some divisions sent to help Germany)

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# 🇹🇷 **3. OTTOMAN EMPIRE (Turkey)**

**Troops mobilized:** **~2,900,000**
**Troops in combat:** **~2,400,000**
**Where:**

* Gallipoli
* Caucasus vs Russia
* Mesopotamia
* Sinai/Palestine
* Arabia

Notes:
• Fought mostly the British Empire & Russia, not Germany's Western enemies.

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# 🇧🇬 **4. BULGARIA**

**Troops mobilized:** **~1,200,000**
**Troops in combat:** **~1,000,000**
**Where:**

* Serbia
* Macedonia
* Greece
* Romania

Notes:
• Bulgaria fought mostly Serbia, Romania, Greece, and the British–French Salonika forces.

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# 🇵🇱 **5. POLISH LEGIONS (Under Austro-Hungarian command)**

**Troops:** **~25,000–35,000**

* Fought Russia mainly
* Technically not a nation-state but important to list separately
* Commanded by Józef Piłsudski (later defected from the Central Powers)

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# 🇫🇮 **6. FINNISH JÄGER BATTALION (trained by Germany)**

**Troops:** **~2,000**

* Fought Russia on the Eastern Front
* Not yet an independent state (independence in 1917)

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# 🇮🇪 **7. IRISH POWs & small nationalist units**

**Troops:** **~50–100** (very small)

* Irish nationalist volunteers who joined Germany against Britain
* Mainly symbolic, negligible military impact

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# 🌍 **8. GERMAN COLONIAL TROOPS & NATIVE LEVIES**

**German East Africa (Lettow-Vorbeck)**
**Troops:**

* **~3,000 German officers/NCOs**
* **~11,000–12,000 Askari African soldiers**
* **Total:** **~14,000–15,000**
  Fought Britain, Belgium, Portugal.

**German South West Africa**

* **~7,500–8,000** troops (mostly reservists)
  Fought South Africa.

**Kiautschou (China)**

* **~3,000** troops
  Fought Japan/UK.

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# 🇦🇿 🇬🇪 🇦🇲 **9. Short-term co-belligerents in the Caucasus (1917–18)**

These were *de facto* wartime partners after the Russian collapse:

### Azerbaijan (Muslim militias + Ottoman command)

**Troops:** ~20,000–25,000 assisting Ottoman–German forces

### Georgia

**Troops:** small, largely political cooperation with German expeditionary force.

*Note:* Very limited and late in the war, but included for completeness.

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# SUMMARY TABLE

| Country / Force              | Troops Fighting for Germany    |
| ---------------------------- | ------------------------------ |
| **Germany**                  | **~11,000,000–11,500,000**     |
| **Austria–Hungary**          | **~7,300,000**                 |
| **Ottoman Empire**           | **~2,400,000**                 |
| **Bulgaria**                 | **~1,000,000**                 |
| Polish Legions               | ~25,000–35,000                 |
| Finnish Jägers               | ~2,000                         |
| Irish Nationalists           | ~50–100                        |
| German East Africa Forces    | ~14,000–15,000                 |
| Other German Colonial Forces | ~10,000–12,000                 |
| Caucasus Co-Belligerents     | ~20,000+ (irregular, late war) |

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# ✔️ GRAND TOTAL: CENTRAL POWERS

**Approximately:**
➡️ **~22 million troops** served the Central Powers in some capacity.
➡️ **~16–17 million** actually saw land combat.

 

My point being your analogy doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. It's Russia + DPRK vs Ukraine - it never stood a chance but has fought bravely until it can't. That said we did get the 'British' Royal Family to change their name from Saxe-Coburg to Windsors so there is that. Oh and while were on historical comparisons as my dad who fought in WW2 said without the Soviets- those memorials the Ukrainians are destroying we would have lost. 7 million Ukrainians fought bravely against the Nazis when about 230k were Banderite collaborators - guess which are celebrated and have statues to them in modern Ukraine. 

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14 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

My point being your analogy doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. It's Russia + DPRK vs Ukraine - it never stood a chance but has fought bravely until it can't. That said we did get the 'British' Royal Family to change their name from Saxe-Coburg to Windsors so there is that. Oh and while were on historical comparisons as my dad who fought in WW2 said without the Soviets- those memorials the Ukrainians are destroying we would have lost. 7 million Ukrainians fought bravely against the Nazis when about 230k were Banderite collaborators - guess which are celebrated and have statues to them in modern Ukraine. 

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Then I fact checked myself because truth matters 

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