On 8/28/2025 at 2:22 AM, cdemundo said:

"Do you know they count suicides ? It matters @ 58% of gun deaths"

 

This is of course the one bright spot in the statistics.

wow, seriously you're happy people commit suicide??? That is mental! 

On 8/28/2025 at 2:34 AM, spidermike007 said:

Everything has changed, and the amendment does not have the same meaning, nor should it. Violence is out of control, yet they do next to nothing about it. America seems to adore it's violence. 

 

According to the Gun Violence Archive, a nonprofit that tracks shootings in the US, there were 214 mass shootings in 2022 alone.

 

The United States has far more lax firearm laws and policies compared to other countries — the federal right to own a firearm is even baked into the United States' constitution via the Second Amendment. And that is sick. Owning a few guns for self-defense in the home and for hunting, no problem. Owning 10, 15, or 20 firearms is just stupid and sicko.

 

 

 

 

How many guns a person owns means nothing. Like having 1 or 2 is ok, but if you own more than that it's stupid and sicko why?

 

On 8/28/2025 at 5:24 AM, Lacessit said:

Some men buy big, powerful cars to compensate for having a small penis.

 

I guess it's the same with weapons.

I didn't know the type of car someone has is due to their penis size?

Do I have to measure my penis before I go buy a car and then ask which size fits me?

I've never done that, maybe the next car will fit better. Thanks for letting me know.

 

On 8/27/2025 at 9:31 AM, bannork said:

Three people have died in a shooting at a US primary school, including the shooter, and 20 have been injured.

 

The Minneapolis city government said the shooter had been “contained” after gunfire at the Annunciation Catholic School, and there was no longer any “active threat” to residents.

Police, ambulances, FBI and other federal agents were on the scene as a person answering the phone there said students were being evacuated.

 

“There is no active threat to the community at this time. The shooter is contained,” the City of Minneapolis said on X.

 

Three dead and 20 injured in US primary school mass shooting

 

For God's sake Americans, just ban guns. It ain't that difficult. Most developed countries have strict gun laws. 

The UK has a problem with knives, but not with guns which will kill or injure far more.

After every incident where innocent people, including kids, are shot and killed, the usual high profile US public figures come out and announce they're praying for the victims. 

Before they do that, ban the damn guns, if anything for Christ's sake.

The late great Charlton Heston said it best.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

That your view of Guns and Crime in the USA is wrong.

 

You may think that my opinion is wrong. Fine that is your prerogative. However, nothing that you or any other pro-gun posters has offered has persuaded me to change my opinion.

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

However, nothing that you or any other pro-gun posters has offered has persuaded me to change my opinion.

Thats fine, its intellectual anyway, you arent an American.

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. So you ignore the death toll of National Socialist Germany, Socialist China and Russia.

 

 

 

You: Do you agree there is a correlation between strict gun laws/bans and the murder of innocent citzens by governments, like Socialist countrys such as China, Russia and Germany? 

 

Me: I've no idea. Link to some data on the subject.

 

You: Got it. So you ignore the death toll of National Socialist Germany, Socialist China and Russia.

 

And you think that yours is a logical conclusion?

 

Maybe, I'm partly to blame for your faulty reasoning. I should said, "Link to some data on the subject (and then I'll let you know)". My apologies.

Just now, Yagoda said:

Thats fine, its intellectual anyway, you arent an American.

 

Is that what it's called?

 

In that case, I'm so pleased that I'm not an intellectual.

1 minute ago, RayC said:

And you think that yours is a logical conclusion?

Well if you came to kill one of the victims of Socialist gun bans and she shot you first, shed still be alive. And if they all shot back.....

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Well if you came to kill one of the victims of Socialist gun bans and she shot you first, shed still be alive. And if they all shot back.....

 

I've no what you are jabbering on about. 

 

The word you are searching for is, 'No'.

6 hours ago, bannork said:

I haven't seen many people with heart disease knowingly going out and kill innocent people., though I guess the occasional one picks up a gun and says,  'Why should I die alone?' 

Your logic here is confused, the proposal is to ban guns to stop person A from killing innocent persons B,C, etc.

But you're talking about person A or persons B,C, etc  getting sick and then you claim because we're not including or referring to their condition in the discussion, so we are oblivious to their eventual death.

Perhaps we need to widen the field .

Guns should be banned to prevent shooters killing innocent people whether they ( the victims) are well or are suffering from any potentially terminal illness known to man. 

You seem confused, life isn't that difficult. 
I only said that people dying were NOT what you and your ilk care about. If you did care about them, then you'd also care about the other deaths, but you don't.

Just more manufactured outrage

49 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

You seem confused, life isn't that difficult. 
I only said that people dying were NOT what you and your ilk care about. If you did care about them, then you'd also care about the other deaths, but you don't.

Just more manufactured outrage

The topic is people being killed by others with guns.

If you wish to introduce people dying from every disease known to man please start another topic.

3 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

The late great Charlton Heston said it best.

 

 

 

 

I preferred him in 'Planet of the Apes'.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

The topic is people being killed by others with guns.

If you wish to introduce people dying from every disease known to man please start another topic.

What are you, a Mod?

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

I preferred him in 'Planet of the Apes'.

Moses. Dude is Moses.

7 hours ago, ericthai said:

wow, seriously you're happy people commit suicide??? That is mental! 

The Thai phrase is som naam naa, serves you right.

3 hours ago, bannork said:

The topic is people being killed by others with guns.

If you wish to introduce people dying from every disease known to man please start another topic.

 

The conversation also talked about death so we're clearly still on topic but you knew that.

You're so worried about what others are doing with guns in a country you don't even live in that you ignore all the other deaths, you and yours claim to want to save lives. You don't.

9 hours ago, ericthai said:

How many guns a person owns means nothing. Like having 1 or 2 is ok, but if you own more than that it's stupid and sicko why?

 

Well common sense would tell me that if there are a multitude of guns in the house, they're that much easier for a youth to access. 

1 hour ago, Slowhand225 said:

 

The conversation also talked about death so we're clearly still on topic but you knew that.

You're so worried about what others are doing with guns in a country you don't even live in that you ignore all the other deaths, you and yours claim to want to save lives. You don't.

I repeat. The topic is guns and the deaths they cause. 

Death by disease and other conditions is another topic entirely!

On 8/27/2025 at 6:57 PM, TedG said:

I want an Abrams tank.   A friend of mine owns a German Leopard Tank.   I want to one-up him. 

 

Are M1 Abrams Tanks for Sale?

The M1 Abrams, like other tanks, can legally be purchased as long as its weapons aren’t operational.

It is a difficult process to purchase any tank, especially as they aren’t road legal; so you need to arrange and pay for costly shipping, which can easily exceed over $40,000 if you’re buying it from a foreign dealer.

Used M1 Abrams tanks can be purchased for $5 million to $7 million, if you’re lucky enough to get your hands on one.

 

https://londoninsider.co.uk/m1-abrams-for-sale-price-and-everything-you-need-to-know-about-buying-this-tank

5 hours ago, bannork said:

I repeat. The topic is guns and the deaths they cause. 

Death by disease and other conditions is another topic entirely!

 

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so but you keep trying.
 

17 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

 

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it so but you keep trying.
 

One can only bang one's head against the wall for so long. Another for the ignore button. 

20 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Almost certainly I would imagine. However, that is a by-product not the objective; the objective would be to save lives. The law should be made in such a way that individuals who can prove that they need a gun can obtain one 

Why do you keep pretending the intent is not to take guns? If the intent is only to save lives, many more lives would likely be saved by reducing speed limits and taking alcohol off the market.

 

Why should one have to prove they "need" a gun to get one?

 

20 hours ago, RayC said:

 

(Before you ask. I am not going to produce a draft law here. Refer to the UK laws (link previously supplied) for an outline template if needs be).

People in the UK do not have a right to keep and bear arms. 

20 hours ago, RayC said:

 

 

Agreed and I have stressed the use of the word correlation and not causation. It is extremely difficult to prove causation when researching societal issues.

 

As I said numerous times, if you wish to dismiss this correlation as coincidental that's up to you. 

But without a comprehensive study, you can't definitively show correlation. 

 

The "study" you lined to included only 7 out of a couple hundred countries. 

20 hours ago, RayC said:

 

 

No I'm not. It was my turn to be pedantic which it is why I deliberately chose the word, 'may'.

 

 

Oh, so what you were actually saying was that if we disagree, it is because I may not want fewer deaths, nice. 

 

 

19 hours ago, ericthai said:

I didn't know the type of car someone has is due to their penis size?

Do I have to measure my penis before I go buy a car and then ask which size fits me?

I've never done that, maybe the next car will fit better. Thanks for letting me know.

 

A lot of guys that drive sh*t cars make this claim, particularly old leftists with little dicks that drive sh*t cars. 

3 hours ago, bannork said:

One can only bang one's head against the wall for so long. Another for the ignore button. 

Clearly your head has been banged enough. 

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Well common sense would tell me that if there are a multitude of guns in the house, they're that much easier for a youth to access. 

What if the guns are in a gun safe?    What if the kids are well-versed in gun safety? 

9 hours ago, radiochaser said:

 

Are M1 Abrams Tanks for Sale?

The M1 Abrams, like other tanks, can legally be purchased as long as its weapons aren’t operational.

It is a difficult process to purchase any tank, especially as they aren’t road legal; so you need to arrange and pay for costly shipping, which can easily exceed over $40,000 if you’re buying it from a foreign dealer.

Used M1 Abrams tanks can be purchased for $5 million to $7 million, if you’re lucky enough to get your hands on one.

 

https://londoninsider.co.uk/m1-abrams-for-sale-price-and-everything-you-need-to-know-about-buying-this-tank

That is true.  Two of my friends own tanks.  I need one. 

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do you keep pretending the intent is not to take guns?

 

Why do you keep insisting that you know better than me what I mean and continually attempt to put words in my mouth?

 

I have acknowledged that introducing tighter gun control legislation will (almost) certainly result in taking some people's guns away. HOWEVER, as I have already stated, THAT IS A BY-PRODUCT. THE OBJECTIVE IS TO SAVE LIVES, IN PARTICULAR, THE DEATHS OF INNOCENT BYSTANDERS. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU? (Shouting is obviously sometimes necessary).

 

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If the intent is only to save lives, many more lives would likely be saved by reducing speed limits and taking alcohol off the market.

 

Maybe reducing speed limits and taking alcohol off the markets wouldn't be such a bad idea, however, I am not that naive to believe that the latter has any chance of happening. 

 

However, these are poor analogies. Firstly, very few deaths by reckless driving are pre-meditated homicides - yes, I'm aware that cars have by driven into crowds in Europe but these are very isolated incidents - and secondly, alcohol and - to a large extent - car related deaths are self-inflicted. Moreover, in the case of alcohol abuse death is an unfortunate, involuntary end result.

 

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why should one have to prove they "need" a gun to get one?

 

Because it is a potentially lethal weapon that in the wrong hands can cause untold damage. I would have thought that much at least would be intuitively obvious.

 

Are you now arguing that I should be able to pop down to the local corner shop and buy an AK-47 at the same time as I purchase a pint of milk? 

 

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

People in the UK do not have a right to keep and bear arms. 

 

Why mention this? I know that, and never suggested otherwise. I suppose I should be grateful that it is something we agree upon.

 

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But without a comprehensive study, you can't definitively show correlation. 

 

Correlation has been established, causation has not.

 

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The "study" you lined to included only 7 out of a couple hundred countries. 

 

Not for the first time, you are repeating yourself. I have already addressed this matter. The studies compared seven developed nations and therefore have validity.

 

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, so what you were actually saying was that if we disagree, it is because I may not want fewer deaths, nice. 

 

 

At best, you are misinterpreting what I say, at worst it is another example of misplaced arrogance in trying to tell me that you know me better than I do so myself! 

 

I work on the premise that rational people would like to eliminate unnecessary deaths. However, your incessant pedantic objections do lead me to question that premise.

 

This exchange has long since lost any meaning it might possibly once have had so I'm done with it. Believe what you will and call yourself the winner if it makes you feel good.

12 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Well common sense would tell me that if there are a multitude of guns in the house, they're that much easier for a youth to access. 

Not every household has kids, and if you're a responsible gun owner they are locked in a safe!

14 hours ago, cdemundo said:

The Thai phrase is som naam naa, serves you right.

severs me right??? nothing happened to me...do you know what that phrase means???

I dont even know what you're trying to say?