Empaths take into consideration whether or not a girlfriend or wife actually likes them and actually wants to be with them. Emphaths will not want to be with someone who didn’t actually want to be with them and only pretended to want them because they are being paid to pretend.

Having sex with someone who doesn’t really want have sex with them is unappealing. Feels similar to raping someone.

 

Whereas this simply doesn’t matter to a sociopath or narcissist as they only ever consider their own feelings.

It simply isn’t a consideration for them. Doesn’t occur to them.

Sociopaths/Narcissists actually prefer to control people and what could be more controlling than taking a bargirl (often much younger and less educated) out of the bar, taking away her source of income and then have her to rely on him for everything in a full time role mostly losing all her freedom as well.

 

Sociopaths/ Narcissists don’t feel love, but they love control. It is an ideal opportunity.

 

On the other hand studies have shown that prostitutes also have higher percentages of Antisocial Personality Disorders but these types are unlikely to get into a relationship with another narcissist or sociopath that they can not manipulate easily. It just wouldn’t work. They would prefer to milk as many suckers as possible to maximize earnings. They will prey on other personality types.

 

 

 

 

It's guys who can't get non paid women of the same caliber. Nobody pays if there are other equivalent free options.

Just now, Mark1969 said:

It's guys who can't get non paid women of the same caliber. Nonody pays if there are other equivalent free options.

I thought it was mostly married guys who wanted discretion that use prostitutes.

But that is just for using sexual services.

This thread is about the guys who take them on full time as a wife or girlfriend. 
 

What motivates them, love or simply control. If it was just sex they could just visit them when they needed sex and not spend the other 23 hours and 50 minutes per day with them.

9 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I thought it was mostly married guys who wanted discretion that use prostitutes.

But that is just for using sexual services.

This thread is about the guys who take them on full time as a wife or girlfriend. 
 

What motivates them, love or simply control. If it was just sex they could just visit them when they needed sex and not spend the other 23 hours and 50 minutes per day with them.

If they are newbies it's probably because they are anxious about being alone in a foreign country. A lot of guys actually need a guide to figure stuff out or they need a full time english speaker or translator.

 

Other guys get lonely with themselves, cannot enjoy activities alone and need someone to talk to 24/7. Kind of like guys that can never workout alone, they always need to be in a group or have a golfing partner, etc.

Just the opposite.  Most I know the girl controls everything due to the guy weak insecurity mostly Simps, with some exceptions of course.

why not interview real life couples? 

 

27 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

It's guys who can't get non paid women of the same caliber. Nobody pays if there are other equivalent free options.

I like paying. There are no free options. Neither financially nor emotionally. Pick and choose different models. It's awesome. 

39 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Sociopaths/Narcissists actually prefer to control people

 

Which raises the issue, "what is control" really? I had a girl who would at first text me every day every hour, every half hour even. But after a while of course texting gets old, even phone calls get old, so she got tired of it.

 

And I told her after one of her 4 hour and 8 hour periods of her not texting "look, this is not acceptable, we're long distance, you have to text me in reasonable intervals". She took it as "you want to control me". Which I found somewhat ridiculous, after all a text takes 15 seconds, it's not much to ask.

 

But these days girls want to be able to do everything, their way, whatever the want. If you lay down any boundaries at all then you're "controlling" .

9 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I like paying. There are no free options. Neither financially nor emotionally. Pick and choose different models. It's awesome. 

Like renting cars.

38 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I like paying. There are no free options.

Yes, there are. Plenty of guys date and have great sex lives without paying. It can be difficult if you're older because of the age issue, but not impossible.

 

Try dating and refusing to pay and see what happens. (Not dinner, just outright cash payments).

 

If you continue to have no luck, work on yourself as a man. Success will come, but it may take time.

 

Look at guys like Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwartzeneggar and Paul Newman. Do you think they could not meet and attract women even if they were unknown and not famous? Success has given them a lot of confidence, but it's not required, it comes from within.

Well, Donald Trump married one, so you might have a point there?

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Well, Donald Trump married one, so you might have a point there?

 

    Less that 1 hour into a thread and you got the first Donald Trump in .

Well done ,you win this threads prize of getting the first random Trump mention in 

I'm surprised to learn that there are guys who still consider a bar girl for a gf/wife,

Back 20-30 years ago, (when good ol' Bernard Trink use to roam the bar scenes)

we used the term to describe newcomers, as 'a girl with mud still between their toes'

referring to new faces from up country.

 

Criminal elements aside, if you feel empathy is a useful trait then here's another angle for you to test if its actual empathy or pretense of empathy.

 

Do you think that dude giving you a foot massage wants to be doing that, or that girl cooking your mcdonalds, sure you can empathize with them, you can maybe even empathize with those opting not to cook at home or getting someone else to clean their teeth. If your empathy that they might not like something stops you buying that service perhaps you are lacking empathy for their financial situation. Now sure you can probably free load a foot massage from someone, is it worth the hassle though, does it not trigger your empathy that you feel that freebies is a righteous path? Perhaps that freeloading mentality shows a lack of conscience and verges into sociopath territory?

 

Empathy and judgmental, classic combo, I'm not paying for that😁.

 

 

I can’t really see the connection between sociopaths/narcissists and relationships with bar girls. Money/power games exist at every level of society. There might be some guys riding this wave in relationships with former bar girls, but I haven’t met any. What I’ve often seen, though, is lovesick helper syndrome, where guys try to “save” a girl and take her out of this supposedly terrible bar life. Often, the guys are the much weaker part in the relationships, easily manipulated by the more relationship-experienced girls.

In my opinion, it’s generally easier for westerners to meet girls in low-income countries (like most of Southeast Asia). You’ll be perceived as wealthy, worth investing time and effort into a relationship. In my experience, it doesn’t really matter where you meet the girls; it clicks mainly because of your wallet and perceived net worth, whether you like it or not. The most materialistic and transactional girl I ever met, by the way, wasn’t a bar girl. She was a Chinese lady studying hotel management. Boy, a lot of bar girls could learn from her.

Anyway, nightlife environments make it extremely easy to meet, talk, try out, and gain experience, whatever that may be. In the end, if it results in a relationship, good luck. Normal social rules apply, and either it works out or it doesn’t.

 

 

Only read the headline & couldn't resist.........All you guys tink too muk.🙃🙃

Are sociopaths/narcissists morelikely to chose a bargirl as a gf

 

My question is, "Why are you so obsessed with bar-girls as girl-friends. Have you considered seeking professional help with your obsession? You should imho."  

53 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

Yes, there are. Plenty of guys date and have great sex lives without paying. It can be difficult if you're older because of the age issue, but not impossible.

 

Try dating and refusing to pay and see what happens. (Not dinner, just outright cash payments).

 

If you continue to have no luck, work on yourself as a man. Success will come, but it may take time.

 

Look at guys like Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwartzeneggar and Paul Newman. Do you think they could not meet and attract women even if they were unknown and not famous? Success has given them a lot of confidence, but it's not required, it comes from within.

You conveniently deleted the rest of my reply. Shame shame shame

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Like renting cars.

Sort of just better.

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

If they needed sex and not spend the other 23 hours and 50 minutes per day with them.

 

What happened to the other 9 minutes ?

1 hour ago, ezzra said:

I'm surprised to learn that there are guys who still consider a bar girl for a gf/wife,

Back 20-30 years ago, (when good ol' Bernard Trink use to roam the bar scenes)

we used the term to describe newcomers, as 'a girl with mud still between their toes'

referring to new faces from up country.

 

I wonder what these toe mud girls would refer to you as...

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Just the opposite.  Most I know the girl controls everything due to the guy weak insecurity mostly Simps, with some exceptions of course.

98% of the men that I know in the US and in Europe, who are in marriages or serious relationships, are exactly what you described. They make very few of the big decisions, the women control the finances, and the man has to ask permission for anything of significance. I even know guys who aren't even allowed to carry cash, likely so their wives can keep track of their every movement and know where they are at all times. That is beyond pathetic. 

Are bar girl obsessed forum posters more likely to be suffering from untreated psychological disorders?

 

Healthy men generally don’t feel the need to flood a forum with dozens of posts about bar girls. They tend to balance their lives with other things such as work, hobbies, friendships, or even, radical concept, actual human relationships.

 

On the other hand certain personality types seem compelled to create endless repetitive threads driveling about bar girls. This suggests a fixation bordering on compulsion. It is almost as if the bar girl is not just a topic but a replacement for therapy, a coping mechanism masking much deeper issues. Terms like obsessive compulsive tendencies or even elements of delusional thinking start to look uncomfortably relevant.

 

Such men convince themselves they are offering profound discussions about psychology and human behavior. In reality they are exposing their own obsession while everyone else on the forum quietly wonders if they should be calling a hotline instead of hitting “new topic” for the upteenth time.

 

Studies may not show it but anyone with common sense can see the pattern. These posters are not analyzing bar girls. They are writing case studies about themselves in real time.

3 hours ago, connda said:

Are sociopaths/narcissists morelikely to chose a bargirl as a gf

 

My question is, "Why are you so obsessed with bar-girls as girl-friends. Have you considered seeking professional help with your obsession? You should imho."  

Because I have lived in Phuket for over a year and I see it everyday.

I never saw it at other places I have lived.

It seems to be a uniquely Thai westerner thing.

4 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Because I have lived in Phuket for over a year and I see it everyday.

I never saw it at other places I have lived.

It seems to be a uniquely Thai westerner thing.

Narcs date ugly 

1 hour ago, short-Timer said:

Are bar girl obsessed forum posters more likely to be suffering from untreated psychological disorders?

 

Healthy men generally don’t feel the need to flood a forum with dozens of posts about bar girls. They tend to balance their lives with other things such as work, hobbies, friendships, or even, radical concept, actual human relationships.

 

On the other hand certain personality types seem compelled to create endless repetitive threads driveling about bar girls. This suggests a fixation bordering on compulsion. It is almost as if the bar girl is not just a topic but a replacement for therapy, a coping mechanism masking much deeper issues. Terms like obsessive compulsive tendencies or even elements of delusional thinking start to look uncomfortably relevant.

 

Such men convince themselves they are offering profound discussions about psychology and human behavior. In reality they are exposing their own obsession while everyone else on the forum quietly wonders if they should be calling a hotline instead of hitting “new topic” for the upteenth time.

 

Studies may not show it but anyone with common sense can see the pattern. These posters are not analyzing bar girls. They are writing case studies about themselves in real time.

How many have you been with?

Are you with one now?

3 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

I wonder what these toe mud girls would refer to you as...

The farang

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

The farang

 

Is that a synonym for kwai?

How is the narcissist having sex?

 

Sometimes he rides it from the top and just pumps away. Complete power trip imho most of the time.

 

Other guys will lick it and not really care about their own satisfaction.

 

That would be an easy way to tell if it's a power trip, sociopathic or narcissistic vs someone that is in love and truly cares about their partner.

 

The question feels off. There are all kinds of guys and women out there and they say that there are no mistakes in life, you learn something from each partner...

 

So does it really matter why two people have found each other? When what they have to learn from each other materializes they move on.

26 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

How many have you been with?

Are you with one now?

More obsessing about your 24/7 bargirl disorder. What a pity. The whole topic is about as inane as it gets. Only someone with no life would continue on with these posts as you do. You're now even making the rest of the drivel that gets posted by the other hopeless trolls suddenly look like a god-send. What a shame.