1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's completely wrong though. 

 

The tariffs have led to a number of negotiations.

 

They've also brought in large amount of money for the US.

So he can subsidise the farmers like his first turn just like the OP says. 

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

In the interests of adding to your body of knowledge, I'll break my promise to myself and reply to another of your posts. I'll limit my reply to the UK. 

Yeah, I knew you were lying. You do that a lot. 

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

In the UK, a centre-left government - headed by Kier Starmer - is in charge. Paradoxically, this means that so far as comments here are on AN are concerned, the result is both different and the same.

 

It's the same in that there is still an obsession with Trump, but this time it is from some right-wing posters who enter a state of delirious ecstasy at the very mention of his name. However, mention of the word, 'Starmer' has this right-wing cohort frothing at the mouth, and calling down fire from heaven, in attempt to quell their raging hatred.

 

Hope this helps.

Is this where I say QED?

 

In any event. did you not understand the questions? 

 

Just now, bubblegum said:

So he can subsidise the farmers like his first turn just like the OP says. 

 

Yah, I'm not in favour of subsidizing farmers actually.

2 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Do explain how (you think) tariffs work.

Why do you not explain how they work, and we can debate it. 

 

Oh, you don't know, sorry. 

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yah, I'm not in favour of subsidizing farmers actually.

Also the money that you claim is getting INTO the USA actually is ALREADY in the USA.

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why do you not explain how they work, and we can debate it. 

 

Oh, you don't know, sorry. 

Cannot explain anything to you, even the basic concepts are beyond you. 

3 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Also the money that you claim is getting INTO the USA actually is ALREADY in the USA.

 

But not as part of the National Treasury government funds.

 

See we are both in Thailand. I have 1 million USD. It's already in Thailand, but it's not in your bank account. See how it's a little different?

2 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Cannot explain anything to you, even the basic concepts are beyond you. 

Yeah, this is what all lefty know-nothings say when they can't explain something they are lying about. 

 

Tell us about your degrees and how smart you are, 

15 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, I knew you were lying. You do that a lot. 

Is this where I say QED?

 

In any event. did you not understand the questions? 

 

 

And that's all the thanks I get for educating you. I must say that I am disappointed.

 

15 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

And that's all the thanks I get for educating you. I must say that I am disappointed.

 

 So Peter robbed Paul, who porked Mary?

I suspect that farmers will suffer a bit longer, but before the '26 elections there will be a few hundred billion funneled off to them.  However, as others have pointed out, the bailout will undoubtedly benefit the corporate mega-farms more than the small family farms.

38 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

But not as part of the National Treasury government funds.

 

See we are both in Thailand. I have 1 million USD. It's already in Thailand, but it's not in your bank account. See how it's a little different?

OMG how can you make a comparison like that. First of Trump claims (as do you) that billions are coming into the US. This is false. The tariffs are paid by those inside of the US be it compagnies or individuals. True the National Treasury will fill up but for what? Finance the billionaire tax cuts and subsidize all industries/farmers that are now failing?

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yeah, this is what all lefty know-nothings say when they can't explain something they are lying about. 

 

Tell us about your degrees and how smart you are, 

You seem to forget I asked you first so you are basically now blaming yourself. 

4 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

OMG how can you make a comparison like that. First of Trump claims (as do you) that billions are coming into the US. This is false. The tariffs are paid by those inside of the US be it compagnies or individuals. True the National Treasury will fill up but for what? Finance the billionaire tax cuts and subsidize all industries/farmers that are now failing?

 

No, it's not false, the money that was formerly of Hyundai subsidiaries in the US flows into the National Treasury. They will then use that money as they see fit, for the benefit of the American people, whereas Hyundai would have used it for Hyundai.

29 minutes ago, Callmeishmael said:

I suspect that farmers will suffer a bit longer, but before the '26 elections there will be a few hundred billion funneled off to them.  However, as others have pointed out, the bailout will undoubtedly benefit the corporate mega-farms more than the small family farms.

There won’t be any more elections in the USA.  Certainly not free and fair as they have been.

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, it's not false, the money that was formerly of Hyundai subsidiaries in the US flows into the National Treasury. They will then use that money as they see fit, for the benefit of the American people, whereas Hyundai would have used it for Hyundai.

What does this have to do with tariffs? You take a tiny little piece of the pie and make that true for the whole thing. Tariffs are taxes it is that simple.

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why are so many European leftists so clearly obsessed with Trump? Do they not have political leaders that they can push their seething hate on in their own counties? 

It appears that in the USA everyone who disagrees with you are leftists. 

2 minutes ago, Mason45 said:

It appears that in the USA everyone who disagrees with you are leftists. 

Not true. I'm a liberal, so a lot of right-wingers disagree with me as well. The said, virtually all the leftists disagree with me. 

 

How about you? 

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

What does this have to do with tariffs? You take a tiny little piece of the pie and make that true for the whole thing. Tariffs are taxes it is that simple.

Yes, just as corporate income taxes are taxes, correct? 

 

And as you know, the consumer pays for both tariffs and corporate income taxes in exactly the same way, yes? 

 

And as you must know, that while they are both taxes that hurt consumers, tariffs benefit US companies, while corporate income taxes benefit foreign companies.

 

Now we all know why the left loves corporate income taxes and hates tariffs. 

 

To be clear, I am not a fan of Trump's tariffs. 

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

 

 

Tell us about your degrees and how smart you are, 

I'll tell you how smart we both are.

 

It won't take any longer.

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I'll tell you how smart we both are.

 

It won't take any longer.

I thought @bubblegum would answer for himself, but you go ahead. Tell me how smart you both are. 

2 hours ago, bubblegum said:

What does this have to do with tariffs? You take a tiny little piece of the pie and make that true for the whole thing. Tariffs are taxes it is that simple.

 

A lot. It's an example of how the tariffs work. A subsidiary of Hyundai in the US that imports Hyundai cars has to pay the tariff to Customs. Then this money becomes part of the Treasury funds.

 

This would not have happened without tariffs.

 

100 billion poured into the Treasury.

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Sure Mr shu, here you go:

 

The United States has collected $100 billion in tariff revenue since April, when a large swath of Trump’s global tariffs went into effect, according to Treasury Department data through July. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/08/19/economy/us-tariff-rebate-checks-bessent

 

Here's a list of ocuntries that have negotiated trade deals on the back of tariffs:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-s-trade-deals-here-are-the-countries-that-have-made-agreements-and-those-that-haven-t/ar-AA1J9EZ8

So it's a $100 billion tax increase on Americans! 😆

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

A lot. It's an example of how the tariffs work. A subsidiary of Hyundai in the US that imports Hyundai cars has to pay the tariff to Customs. Then this money becomes part of the Treasury funds.

 

This would not have happened without tariffs.

 

100 billion poured into the Treasury.

 

US imports and exports have decreased every month sine April, often by a record 20%, so less money in treasury.

That's how tariffs work

 

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/american-imports-post-record-monthly-decline/

 

Key Takeaways

• In April, U.S. goods imports fell 20% to reach $275.9 billion, with the largest decline seen across consumer goods.
• Pharmaceutical imports dropped by $26 billion due to Trump’s April 6 ‘Liberation Day’ tariffs.
• Industrial imports sank 31%, with finished metal shapes falling by $16.9 billion alone—one of the highest single categories overall.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/us-international-trade-goods-and-services-june-2025

 

U.S. International Trade in Goods and Services, June 2025

The U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis announced today that the goods and services deficit was $60.2 billion in June, down $11.5 billion from $71.7 billion in May, revised.

 

 

Exports, Imports, and Balance (exhibit 1)

June exports were $277.3 billion, $1.3 billion less than May exports. June imports were $337.5 billion, $12.8 billion less than May imports.

The June decrease in the goods and services deficit reflected a decrease in the goods deficit of $11.4 billion to $85.9 billion and an increase in the services surplus of $0.1 billion to $25.7 billion.

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

US imports and exports have decreased every month sine April, often by a record 20%, so less money in treasury.

That's how tariffs work

 

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/american-imports-post-record-monthly-decline/

 

Key Takeaways

• In April, U.S. goods imports fell 20% to reach $275.9 billion, with the largest decline seen across consumer goods.
• Pharmaceutical imports dropped by $26 billion due to Trump’s April 6 ‘Liberation Day’ tariffs.
• Industrial imports sank 31%, with finished metal shapes falling by $16.9 billion alone—one of the highest single categories overall.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2025/us-international-trade-goods-and-services-june-2025

 

U.S. International Trade in Goods and Services, June 2025

The U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis announced today that the goods and services deficit was $60.2 billion in June, down $11.5 billion from $71.7 billion in May, revised.

 

 

Exports, Imports, and Balance (exhibit 1)

June exports were $277.3 billion, $1.3 billion less than May exports. June imports were $337.5 billion, $12.8 billion less than May imports.

The June decrease in the goods and services deficit reflected a decrease in the goods deficit of $11.4 billion to $85.9 billion and an increase in the services surplus of $0.1 billion to $25.7 billion.

 

 

 

 

 

You seem to have a rather poor understanding of economics. So you think if a Japanese company sells goods to the US (imports from a US perspective) this would raise monies for the Treasury over and above tariffs? It doesn't to any meaningful degree. The tariffs ARE the cut the Treasury gets. So whilst in number imports may have fallen (obviously as Japanese will sell less in the US they export less to the US) in monies collected for the treasury, because of the massive tariff hikes, the money has actually increased.

 

Do you not understand how this works?

19 minutes ago, candide said:

So it's a $100 billion tax increase on Americans! 😆

Do you not support higher taxes? 

 

Of course you do, you just want other people to pay them. 

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why are so many European leftists so clearly obsessed with Trump? Do they not have political leaders that they can push their seething hate on in their own counties? 

 

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why are so many Australian leftists so clearly obsessed with Trump? Do they not have political leaders that they can push their seething hate on in their own counties? 

 

  How many counties are there in Australia?  (Asking for an Australian friend.)

 

  I know, literacy is not a MAGA talking point.

3 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

 

 

  How many counties are there in Australia?  (Asking for an Australian friend.)

 

  I know, literacy is not a MAGA talking point.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Counties_of_Australia

5 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

 

 

  How many counties are there in Australia?  (Asking for an Australian friend.)

Quite a few as it turns out: 

 

 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Quote a few as it turns out: 

 

 

 

  "Quote a few"?  Did I mention literacy not being a MAGA talking point?