Hi guys,  

I'm living in Thailand and want to change my NON-OA Retirement visa to a NON-O (Retirement visa) so I have to leave and re-enter Thailand.  How many days do I have to stay outside of Thailand before I can re-enter and apply for a NON-O visa?    1 day, 2 days, one week?  I can't find any official Immigration wording on this.

 

Thanks!

Is your Non O-A visa still valid or expired and you're on an extension of stay?

34 minutes ago, miketu said:

Hi guys,  

I'm living in Thailand and want to change my NON-OA Retirement visa to a NON-O (Retirement visa) so I have to leave and re-enter Thailand.  How many days do I have to stay outside of Thailand before I can re-enter and apply for a NON-O visa?    1 day, 2 days, one week?  I can't find any official Immigration wording on this.

 

Thanks!

 

You quoted yourself and didn't answer my question.

6 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Is your Non O-A visa still valid or expired and you're on an extension of stay?

No my Non O-A visa is still valid, at least until I leave Thailand without a re_entry Permit to expire the OA and apply for a Non-O upon re-entering Thailand

Just now, miketu said:

No my Non O-A visa is still valid, at least until I leave Thailand without a re_entry Permit to expire the OA and apply for a Non-O upon re-entering Thailand

A Non O-A is multiple entry, so if it's still valid then on re-entry you'll be granted permission of stay again up to your current permission of stay. To kill of a valid Non O-A depart on the last day of its validity, (the enter before date on the visa) then re-enter the following day VE to be stamped in for 60 days.

 

Do you already have a Thai bank account with 800K BHT deposited?

 

How long you have to stay out depends on which Country to choose to enter before returning.

9 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

A Non O-A is multiple entry, so if it's still valid then on re-entry you'll be granted permission of stay again up to your current permission of stay. To kill of a valid Non O-A depart on the last day of its validity, (the enter before date on the visa) then re-enter the following day VE to be stamped in for 60 days.

 

Do you already have a Thai bank account with 800K BHT deposited?

 

How long you have to stay out depends on which Country to choose to enter before returning.

Thanks.  An OA visa extension which I have at least requires a re-entry permit single or multiple or it will expire once leaving Thailand.  I know because I recently left the country for a month and had to get a re_entry permit to keep the OA visa extension valid before I left.  I have the bank account with 800k.  I'd like to go to Indonesia or the Philippines for the outside of Thailand requirement.  Any idea how long I need to stay out of Thailand if visiting these two countries?

 

5 minutes ago, miketu said:

Thanks.  An OA visa extension which I have at least requires a re-entry permit single or multiple or it will expire once leaving Thailand.  I know because I recently left the country for a month and had to get a re_entry permit to keep the OA visa extension valid before I left.  I have the bank account with 800k.  I'd like to go to Indonesia or the Philippines for the outside of Thailand requirement.  Any idea how long I need to stay out of Thailand if visiting these two countries?

 

You have an extension of stay from an O-A visa, meaning the visa is invalid.
You extended your permission of stay, not the visa.

In that case, leaving without a re-entry permit kills off your current permission of stay.

 

You could immediately re-enter, but would at a guess want to stay a few days if travelling that far afield.

Re-entering VE will grant a stay of 60 days, then apply for the Non O after the first 30 days.

Yes that would seem correct. If the extension of stay expires as soon as you leave Thailand then I can probably come back the same day but would instead stretch it out to two or three days for return.  

 

I also saw where it said that upon re_entering thailand with a tourist visa to immediately go to the immigration office? and apply for a NON-O visa.  Does this mean as soon as I get off the plane go to the immigration office at Suvarnabhumi Airport or can I at least get to my condo in Cha-Am and then report to immigration in a day or two to apply for the NON-O 90 day?  do you know anything about this requirement?

26 minutes ago, miketu said:

also saw where it said that upon re_entering thailand with a tourist visa to immediately go to the immigration office? and apply for a NON-O visa.  Does this mean as soon as I get off the plane go to the immigration office at Suvarnabhumi Airport or can I at least get to my condo in Cha-Am and then report to immigration in a day or two to apply for the NON-O 90 day?  do you know anything about this requirement?

No idea where you read that.

You'll be re-entering without a visa.

The only requirements to apply for the Non O at Immigration is that you must have at least 15 days permission of stay remaining, 23 days at certain IO's from the 60 days granted on entry to apply, which is why I stated after 30 days.
You will need to file a new TM30 with your local Immigration office within 24 hours of returning to your place of residence, and don't forget to complete the TDAC within 3 days of your expected return date.

 

Procedure for applying for the Non Imm O at Immigration.

 

You can download the above notice as a PDF file from here: https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/issuing-and-changing-type-of-visa/

Number 9 on the list.

You'll need to complete a TM87 form, which you can download from here;

https://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/downloads_en/

Number 17 on the list.

4 hours ago, miketu said:

I also saw where it said that upon re_entering thailand with a tourist visa to immediately go to the immigration office? and apply for a NON-O visa

As already advised that is a dream.

You will enter visa exempt and apply for a Non O retirement 30/45 days prior to expiry of entry stamp. 

 

To obtain the Non O you need to show the 800k in bank on day of application. 

Normally that would need to be shown to have come from abroad. 

However bank records would show that your funds have been in Thai bank for some time. 

That should be sufficient. 

You will use form TM87 along with other docs. 

Which immigration office? 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1352758-problem-transitioning-from-oa-to-o-non-immigrant-retirment-visa/

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1362847-switching-non-immigrant-o-a-to-non-immigrant-o/

 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1338807-switching-from-non-immigrant-oa-to-non-immigrant-o-on-basis-of-retirement/

 

9 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Which immigration office? 

OP mentioned returning to a Condo in Cha-am, which would be Phetchaburi Immigration.

I did the brute force method in July 2022 at Nong Khai.

Self driven by car to the border. 3 hours for me.

Exit without re-entry.

At the time same day exemption entry was no problem.

Seems to have changed?

Applying for Non O at Khon Kaen was easy with the 800k.

 

First attempt exit was "blocked" by a cautious officer who sent me to reentry room 😁

They couldn't believe I want exit without.

4 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:

First attempt exit was "blocked" by a cautious officer who sent me to reentry room 

They couldn't believe I want exit without.

 

Some years back, when I left a Thai international Airport with no reentry permit (while on an extension to stay on an underlying Type-OA visa), the IO at the departure booth pointed out to me I had no reentry permit.

 

I thanked him and politely noted to him that was my intent to invalidate  the type-OA permission to stay, and I was planning to return in over a month visa exempt and apply for a new Type-O. ... He nodded as if he knew such was being done and he stamped the exit in my passport and let me pass to the airport airside, past immigration  , in the airport sort of no mans land area. 

 

I thought it very nice of him to point out to me that I was about to invalidate any extensions on my Type OA, necessitating a new visa.

33 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

he stamped the exit in my passport and let me pass to the airport airside, past immigration  , in the airport sort of no mans land area.

Sounds like DMK as reentry permit desk is airside just past passport control. 

Unlike BKK where permit desk is prior to passport control. After security. 

So anyone applying for reentry permit at DMK mention it to immigration officer. 

Most io will ask 

Nowadays with the automated gates, no more warnings on exit. Scan your passport and go.  A little dangerous for the forgetful types, especially if they're shocked by the gates for the first time.

 

Good reason to get the re-entry permit from your immigration office if you have every intention of keeping your extension.

50 minutes ago, BrandonJT said:

Good reason to get the re-entry permit from your immigration office if you have every intention of keeping your extension.

Perhaps. 

Depends on immigration office. 

I'm attending CW next week for annual extension plus reentry permit. 

Obtaining at airport much better option IMO. 

I will need to wait at CW extra couple of hours even with appointment. 

I recently killed off my O-A and obtained a Non-O at Hua Hin Immigration.   With the help of Dr. Jack’s advice it went smoothly. I went to Hanoi for 3 nights. On return to Suvarnabhumi the Immigration Officer just said “No Visa” and stamped me in for 60 days. To apply for the Non-Immigrant O Visa I had to provide the updated bank book, bank letter and obtain the “Credit Advice” from my bank showing my ฿800,000 was an International Transfer. This seems a strange request given my bank book clearly shows “FTT” and my bank statement shows “International Transfer”. I was told if your bank book doesn’t show “FTT” then you have to provide documentation from the transferring company e.g. Wise and you don’t need the “Credit Advice”.

19 minutes ago, skorts said:

I was told if your bank book doesn’t show “FTT” then you have to provide documentation from the transferring company e.g. Wise and you don’t need the “Credit Advice”.

Indeed. 

Actually FTT is a code specific to BBL. 

 

I'm actually doing my extension tomorrow and will do a report. CW

 

By asking for the 12 month bank statement in Thai language the transfer has Thai script. 

The attached section of statement with red marking and the other pic shows translation. 

Verifying foreign transfer. 

 

I don't understand why you'd want to change an O-A visa to an O- visa. The reason could be that you want to avoid health insurance, which the immigration authorities require for an O-A visa, or that you want to reduce the financial requirements , for example, 400,000 baht instead of 800,000 baht. However, to obtain a one-year extension with an O-A visa, you can also do so based on marriage. In other words, you have an O-A visa in your passport, but to obtain a one-year extension, you can apply for the same requirements as an O- visa based on marriage. You don't need insurance, the financial requirements are reduced, you'll need a few more documents, and you'll receive an "under construction" stamp, which will be converted a month later. Therefore, I don't understand why you'd bother with just one letter in your passport.

10 minutes ago, matta01 said:

However, to obtain a one-year extension with an O-A visa, you can also do so based on marriage

That is correct however OP did not mention being married. 

As a result has good reason to kill off the Non O-A in order to not require insurance

Option 1: He has an O-A visa. Let's assume it's based on a pension and he's not married. He wants to convert that O-A visa to an O visa. On what basis? "Married" isn't possible? Pension isn't possible because he's returning to an O-A visa.
Option 2: He has an O-A visa based on a pension and is married. In that case, he doesn't need to do anything, just apply for his annual renewal based on his marriage, just like someone with an O visa.
Info : There are "Falangs" who are married to a trans woman in their home country. Now you can this register this marriage here in Thailand  at the town hall, and then the Falang who previously had an O-A visa can now also apply for their renewal based on marriage. But I guess everyone knows this by now

36 minutes ago, matta01 said:

There are "Falangs" who are married to a trans woman in their home country. Now you can this register this marriage here in Thailand  at the town hall, and then the Falang who previously had an O-A visa can now also apply for their renewal based on marriage. But I guess everyone knows this by now

Again your whole post is a nonsense and off topic. 

 

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16 hours ago, matta01 said:

Option 1: He has an O-A visa. Let's assume it's based on a pension and he's not married. He wants to convert that O-A visa to an O visa. On what basis? "Married" isn't possible? Pension isn't possible because he's returning to an O-A visa.

You appear to have a super sketchy grasp of how the actual process works, 😮 

The O/P can indeed bounce out of the country get OFF their O/A entry stamp, either get a new Non-O visa based on being over 50 (retirement) at a thai consulate nearby via the online eVisa portal 
OR 
come back in free stamp 60 day visa exempt entry, then apply for the in country 90 day Non-O visa based on being over 50 (retirement) by meeting the proof of funds and submitting the required documentation for 2000baht, 
Then once they get that issued they could wait until they have 30 days or less and apply for the year extension for 1900 baht 

 Here's a tip; stick with what you know <- and just so you're clear, it isn't anything to do with entry/visa/extension information to thailand 😉