7 hours ago, freedomnow said:

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If you are vaxxed with real ones they offer you full or strong protection...

I say 'real' since the covid ones don't stop you getting or transmitting it...only less chance of mortality risk - so they say.

 Highlighted, the crux of your statement > 'so they say'  

7 hours ago, freedomnow said:

 

I say 'real' since the covid ones don't stop you getting or transmitting it...only less chance of mortality risk - so they say.

 

We were told it would stop the spread and you wouldn't get covid if you took the jab.

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 Highlighted, the crux of your statement > 'so they say'  

And no way to prove that silly statement of 'helping' either.  As millions didn't get the shot, needing no help when exposed.

 

More millions got the shot, and still needed help, even hospitalization after getting the shot or shots.

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 Highlighted, the crux of your statement > 'so they say'  

I bit like whispering to someone laying under the guillotine waiting for the blade to drop; ''they say it don't hurt.''

They say they severed head responds to it's name can move eyes and blink for up to 5 minutes !

Indeed!

 

But what about the body during this 5 minutes?

17 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

If someone is seriously ill, should they be in public? 

Many don't know they are ill. Lets take measles as an example. Measles incubation generally takes 7 to 14 days from exposure to the appearance of the first symptoms (fever, cough, runny nose, red eyes). The classic measles rash typically appears around 3 to 5 days after these initial symptoms, or about 14 days after exposure to the virus. And yes, people are infectious during the measles incubation period, specifically from about four days before the rash appears until four days after it shows up. This means you can spread measles to others before you even know you are sick.

 

This therefore puts a lot of children at risk. Children under 6 months of age (who cannot be ummunised before then) or have a severely weakened immune system due to conditions like organ transplants, chemotherapy, or certain medical treatments. Additionally, children who have had a severe allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to a previous measles vaccine or its components cannot receive the vaccine.

All of these children are only helped by herd immunity.

 

NB - for all you anti-vaxxers ready to pounce on this post, don't bother. I'm not up for debating with extremists and those with a fixed agenda. This is for those that are trying to wade through all of the misinformation being touted by the anti-vaxxers. It's also not for those that don't want to take the Covid vacine; that's a personal choice you have made and have to live with (or die) with your decision. This is more aimed at parents (who were probably vacinated themselves) and the uneducated who for some bizarre reason are now questioning the benefit of vacinating their children, even though decades of research have clearly shown the benefit for their own children and the help it provides for those less fortunate than themselves. Diphtheria, tetanus, polio, pertussis (whooping cough), measles, mumps, rubella, rotavirus, meningococcal disease, pneumococcal disease, hepatitis B, and human papillomavirus (HPV) are some serious stuff for kids.  

 

 

19 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

You're forking special. Seems you were indoctrinated at an early age. 

Some call it educated but you do you.

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Diphtheria, tetanus, polio, pertussis (whooping cough), measles, mumps, rubella, rotavirus, meningococcal disease, pneumococcal disease, hepatitis B, and human papillomavirus (HPV) are some serious stuff for kids.

Amazing how the human race ever survived long enough to reach

this pinnacle of 'scientific’ mastery over 'mother nature '

 

I seem to remember in the old days before “the science“

 mothers actually breastfed their babies tranfering natural immunity 

however we now know that was just an anti-vax conspiracy theory.

1 hour ago, johng said:

Amazing how the human race ever survived long enough to reach

this pinnacle of 'scientific’ mastery over 'mother nature '

 

I seem to remember in the old days before “the science“

 mothers actually breastfed their babies tranfering natural immunity 

however we now know that was just an anti-vax conspiracy theory.

Not really sure what your point is here considering millions died from these diseases before vaccinations were invented. Measles alone killed more than 2 million A YEAR before the vaccine became available. There was no 'natural immunity' for this (apart from a very few) and many other diseases.

 

And yes it is 'amazing how the human race ever survived long enough to reach this pinnacle' but it was VERY close with tuberculosis (TB) responsible for the greatest number of deaths by a single disease in recorded history, with estimates suggesting over 1 billion deaths over the past few centuries. Other significant deadly diseases include the Black Death (bubonic plague) which killed 75-200 million in Eurasia (30% to 60% of Europe's population and about 33% of the population of the Middle East). Smallpox caused 300-500 million deaths in the 20th century alone and up to 1 billion in its overall history.

16 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

People wearing seatbelts don't "still go through the windshield, but it would have been so much worse without the seatbelt". They don't go through the windshield at all.

 

(Off you go and ask Grok if there is a way to counter that, I look forward to reading the copy/pasted bullet points).

Sorry buddy, when stupidity reaches this level there is no point, okay?👍

On 10/4/2025 at 10:54 PM, still kicking said:

On 10/4/2025 at 7:33 PM, Fact said:

Whatever happened to my body, my choice? 

Tell those women in America 

 

So......she came up to me and asked  "why aren't you interested in me ?"

 

"very simple"   i said   ........"your body ,  i choose to pass "

 

23 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Not really sure what your point is here considering millions died from these diseases before vaccinations were invented. Measles alone killed more than 2 million A YEAR before the vaccine became available. There was no 'natural immunity' for this (apart from a very few) and many other diseases.

Monumental Hogwash Sir.

 

Too much MSM for you.

 

No such thing as natural immunity.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Monumental Hogwash Sir.

 

Too much MSM for you.

 

No such thing as natural immunity.

I think I mentioned in my previous post that 'I'm not up for debating with extremists and those with a fixed agenda' and you definitely fall into this category, but I see reading comprehension is also an issue with you because I clearly said 'There was no 'natural immunity' for this (apart from a very few)'.