3 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Oh please there's no need for homophobia, try to be proud of diversity and congratulate him/ her on their diverse choices in life 

Even compliment him on his clothes and later use reverse psychology and tell him opposite 

 

 

 

Your comments are always so well informed and sensible.

On 10/5/2025 at 9:34 PM, Harrisfan said:

Lefties hate Israel.

Socialists hate Jews

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    You  seem to be forgetting that both Israel and Palestine were offered their own state .

 

Err .... it was a bit more complicated.

 

The British promised the Arabs an independent state, which included the area of today`s Israel, if they would help them fight the Ottomans, which were Muslims but not Arabs. The Arabs kept their word, fought, bled, died and finally won over the Ottomans, the British didn`t.

They secretly agreed with the French on the Sykes-Picot treaty in 1916 to divide the Ottoman Empire's Arab territories into British and French spheres of influence after World War I. 

At the same time they promised the Jews, which were not really popular in Europe, a national home, not a state, in the Balfour declaration:

 

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

 

After WW I more and more Jews moved to Palestine, at first warmly welcomed by the Arabs, as hospitality to strangers has always been a very strong part of Middle Eastern culture and tradition, originating in the trade business where people were travelling on the Silk Road, more accurately the Silk Routes, a web of land and sea routes connecting Central, East, South, Southeast, and West Asia as well as East Africa and Southern Europe since the 2nd Century B.C.

 

Once it became clear the Jews had more sinister plans in mind or they simply did only understand the part of the Balfour declaration, which promised them a homeland but somehow failed to understand the part saying " nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine ", tensions rose, Arabs protested, the Jews founded terrorist organizations like Irgun and Hagana to kill and kick out Arabs and later even attacked their own allies, the British, which then had enough and left the chaos they had caused.

 

In order to bring back peace to the region the UN decided for a 2 state solution and agreed on the partition plan.

 

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

   Palestine was offered their own state, as promised 

 

The Palestinians refused as they did not understand why their land has to be divided between them and the Jews who were less than 3% of the population for centuries until WW I and even now in 1947 only around 38%.

 

The Jews immediately founded Israel, took way more land than the UN had agreed on and did everything since then to refuse the Palestinians to own an independent state, while stealing more and more land through land grabbing or simply settling on land which did not belong to them.

 

Sure, a few times the Palestinians were offered something, but those offers could be described as: "We keep, what we stole. You officially agree with that turning occupied land into legal possession. And in return you get to live on some land which we will keep total control over. (Meaning: you will never have an official army with jets and tanks and whatever you need to protect yourself so we can steal more land as we see fit.).

 

Their moral justification is, that the land is theirs anyway, as their ancestors had been living there until 2000 years ago and it was promised to them by sky daddy, so you cannot steal your own land.

 

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The land in Judea ?

Judea actually means Jew .

Jews are stealing Judea ?

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

Now the sad part is, that THE Jews did not completely move to other countries 2000 years ago and now come back and demand their land.

 

Truth to be told, SOME Jews left, some of them to Europe, mostly to what today is called Russia, Poland and Ukraine, mixed with the population there, some even converting to Christianity and a few of their descendants now came back and made that crazy claim, which is not supported by any law or tradition on our planet.

 

Now comes the surprise: MANY if not most of the Jews never left the area known as Palestine. They simply lived under Roman rule, later converted to Christianity and again later to Islam, adapted to new regimes and cultures and their descendants are today known as the Palestinians.

 

This has been proven by many DNA tests. By comparing Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sephardic genome, looking for common parts and by this and many other methods determining "Jewish" DNA.

 

Guess which of these groups has the least Jewish DNA? The Ashkenazi, which is by the way the majority of Jews in Israel (and who don`t really look like Jews have been described in ancient books but much more like Europeans.)

 

And which group has the most Jewish DNA?

 

The Palestinians.

 

BOOM!

10 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

I'm not too sure people are necessarily avid supporters of Palestinians........it could be that the nature of what the IDF have exacted on the civilian population in the Gaza strip has caused people to be concerned.

 

The Oct 7 murders were horrific and anyone connected in anyway with them should be hanged, drawn and quartered.......but I don't think history will look back very kindly on how Israel has responded.

 

 

 

 

IDF  operations  are subject to the same sort of stringent civilian loss minimizations that crippled western militaries in Afghanistan kuwait and Iraq. These militaries have taken more casualties than they needed to and put their own personnel at risk to minimize loss of non combatant lives. This is not a concept shared in the Muslim world. Martyrdom is more precious than human life. When the Saudis went to war with the Houthis in Yemen, they  flattened civilian areas, killing thousands at a time. When Assad was fighting his civil war, he dropped barrel bombs on civilian buildings and used poison gas on Kurds without hesitation. The Russians   would take out residential buildings without blinking. no westerners protested or took to the streets.  An  van marked as an ambulance being used to transport Hamas military leaders is neutralized and westerners are upset.

 

Israel has been fighting a war in Gaza where the population is at war with Israel. There are few non combatants. It's like the war against ISIS in Syria and Iraq or Boco Harem in Africa. Children and women are willing enemy combatants. Making matters worse is that they are also intentionally sacrificed as human shields. It is part of the Islamic jihad/Hamas strategy to have civilian casualties because it knows it will turn public opinion in its favour. If that was not the case, Hamas would not locate his ammunition  depots in residential buildings and would not fire missiles from high density residential areas or in close proximity to hospitals.

 

This is a war that must be fought taking into account the local culture. Gazans have been taught since birth that Israel must be destroyed and that all jews must be killed or enslaved. Unbelievable, but true. Gaza is a place where children are taught to count by counting off dead jews. The west has financed this. Western charities like Oxfam have enabled this. Israel must fight the war knowing that anyone and everyone is a potential killer. 

 

 

34 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Now comes the surprise: MANY if not most of the Jews never left the area known as Palestine. They simply lived under Roman rule, later converted to Christianity and again later to Islam, adapted to new regimes and cultures and their descendants are today known as the Palestinians.

 

This has been proven by many DNA tests. By comparing Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sephardic genome, looking for common parts and by this and many other methods determining "Jewish" DNA.

 

Guess which of these groups has the least Jewish DNA? The Ashkenazi, which is by the way the majority of Jews in Israel (and who don`t really look like Jews have been described in ancient books but much more like Europeans.)

 

And which group has the most Jewish DNA?

 

The Palestinians.

 

BOOM!

 

This sounds about right.  The conflict maintained by human stupidity.

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

The Arabs thought it was an unfair deal, after all the Jews was a minority where they would as said expropriate Palestinian land and resources and also expell Palestinian. 

 

In 1936 the UK offered the Arabs 80% of the land for their state and the Jews just 20%, how was that 'unfair'?

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

 

Wasn't it the same when USA went to Vietnam? It was riots and Street fights with police now and then when I grew up even in Oslo.

 

Then the question is: How wrong was it to protest against The war?

 

Police used horses and batong and was quite brutal against the protesters 

 

AI says

Protests against the Vietnam War occurred in Oslo, Norway, including demonstrations organized by left-wing students and Norwegian solidarity movements in the 1960s and 1970s, as well as a smaller demonstration in 1966 during U.S. Secretary of State Rusk's visit, which also saw a counter-demonstration by the Young Conservative Movement. Organizations like the Norwegian Movement for Vietnam and the Norwegian Solidarity Committee for Vietnam (later Solkom) coordinated protests, aiming to show solidarity with the Vietnamese people and oppose U.S. policy. 

And those protestors did not come out to protest  when hundreds of thousands were dispossessed by the North Vietnamese, forced into slave labour agriculture work camps, or stripped of their belongings and  homes, or forced to flee as the "boat people". Nor did those people protest when  the defeated southerners were denied civil rights and deprived of the right to an education or healthcare.

And when the khmer Rouge launched is mass murder of  millions? They stayed silent. The killing fields were made possible in part because of their hypocrisy. 

They have not changed  either, because today those same people stay silent on the genocide in Darfur and the  war in Yemen, and the kidnapping and enslavement of  girls and boys in Nigeria. These are all evil acts involving muslims, and they stay silent. Perhaps they are cowards and afraid of what will happen if they protest against people who do not respect civil laws.

5 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Perhaps they are cowards and afraid of what will happen if they protest against people who do not respect civil laws.

 

That logic applied nobody would dare to protest against Israel.

8 minutes ago, proton said:

 

In 1936 the UK offered the Arabs 80% of the land for their state and the Jews just 20%, how was that 'unfair'?

 

I did not know about that. Do you have a source? 

The assassination of the celebrated Palestinian author, Ghassan Kanafani, by MOSSAD was a tragic event. Kanafani was a resolute voice for Palestinian resistance, stemming from his own family's violent expulsion from their ancestral homeland. The inherent consequence of violent theft and dispossession is not peace, but perpetual conflict.There will no peace without justice. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Socialists hate Jews

No they don't many of the best socialists are Jews. 

 

Karl Marx
Rosa Luxemburg
Leon Trotsky
Emma Goldman
Betty Friedan
Gloria Steinem
Noam Chomsky
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Baruch Spinoza
Hannah Arendt
Abbie Hoffman
Alexei Sayle

4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

No they don't many of the best socialists are Jews. 

 

Karl Marx
Rosa Luxemburg
Leon Trotsky
Emma Goldman
Betty Friedan
Gloria Steinem
Noam Chomsky
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Baruch Spinoza
Hannah Arendt
Abbie Hoffman
Alexei Sayle

Those folks werent "Jews". 

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

IDF  operations  are subject to the same sort of stringent civilian loss minimizations that crippled western militaries in Afghanistan kuwait and Iraq.

IDF operations are subject to 1 law: do what you can, kill who you want, take what you can as long as we don't lose US support.

 

Hence the slow progress. But the end result will be the same: annexation of Gaza and West Bank.

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

IDF operations are subject to 1 law: do what you can, kill who you want, take what you can as long as we don't lose US support.

 

Hence the slow progress. But the end result will be the same: annexation of Gaza and West Bank.

Really?  "Kill who you want" would seem to me to make progress easier, not harder.  The IDF must be really slacking if it took them two whole years to kill a measly 65,000 Gazans.  That's less than a hundred people a day. You really think that is the limit of their capability? 

 

Or, perhaps, does it indicate restraint? When dealing with a fanatic enemy, who use hospitals/schools/mosques as bases, who are hiding amongst a brainwashed population that believes in Holocaust 2.0, etc., I have to commend the IDF on their conduct.

59 minutes ago, stevenl said:

IDF operations are subject to 1 law: do what you can, kill who you want, take what you can as long as we don't lose US support.

 

Hence the slow progress. But the end result will be the same: annexation of Gaza and West Bank.

That is your own biased position. You want that to be the position ,but it is not. Like western militaries, there is a legal officer attached to operations that involve targeting targets of value such as military leaders, command and control centers, munition depots etc.  Before an aircraft or a drone targets a building, a legal affairs rep will have approved it. This slows down targeting and puts the pilot at additional risk. It puts tank crews at an even higher risk  of being attacked by suicide bombers. The IDF procedure like those in NATO, Japanese, Singaporean and South Korean militaries, tries to minimize non combatant casualties. When a military is taking hostile fire, it will return fire. Unfortunately, Hamas and friends intentionally use residential and public use buildings as firing points.

 

I get it that you hate Israel and want to blame the IDF for the non combatant casualties in Gaza. However, you are ignoring verified  procedures and activities which have been demonstrably documented. Israel unlike its Arab  opponents, Russia, China, Pakistan and others has a military Advocates office which is specifically charged with vetting targets to ensure that they comply with the applicable laws. You ignore the realty that much of the destruction in Gaza is caused because of areas serving as bonafide military targets. When an ammo dump detonates, it can take out a very large area. When a Hamas missile misfires and lands  in a residential area, it will take out an entire neighborhood. That's not Israel's fault.  I suggest you first familiarize yourself with the vetting and targeting procedures and then criticize because you obviously are unaware of how much bureaucracy  the IDF, like western militaries deal with.

8 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

That logic applied nobody would dare to protest against Israel.

When has Israel sponsored terrorists who have; flown aircraft into office buildings, or detonated suicide bombs on subway trains in the UK or Spain, or attacked airports in Scotland,or blown up aircraft over the UK, or hijacked aircraft, or taken civilians whether athletes at the Olympics or school children or patients in a hospital, or blown up restaurants or driven vehicles into pedestrians?

5 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

No they don't many of the best socialists are Jews. 

 

Karl Marx
Rosa Luxemburg
Leon Trotsky
Emma Goldman
Betty Friedan
Gloria Steinem
Noam Chomsky
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Baruch Spinoza
Hannah Arendt
Abbie Hoffman
Alexei Sayle

 

Most of the names you reference were non practicing jews or rejected judaism. 

19 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

 

There haven't been any Israeli settlements in Gaza since 2005.

 

People in Gaza voted a terrorist organisation (Hamas) into government, that not only started several wars with Israel from that territory, but also used it as their fiefdom for that very purpose. The last elections were in 2006, so Hamas is not longer legitimately in government. What have people in Gaza done against all this (dictatorship, using Gaza as a base for war against Israel, etc.); nothing! So, one could argue that they brought it on themselves, same as people in Axis Powers in 1945.

This is closest post to what's really going in there. Most people don't know the full history.  The elections were never really open and fair when Hamas was "elected". Hamas is the real issue not the people of Palestine.

 Hamas is the reason that the surrounding countries don't want "Palestinian" people to come to their countries, they don't want more Hamas sneaking in any more than they have. Most of the surrounding countries already have significant numbers of non Hamas Palestinians living there.

 

For people to condemn the war there on either side isn't supporting Hamas or Israel and it isn't Anti Semitic either. Its condemning what's going on there. Its not  effective and hurting the average citizen in both countries. If Hamas could be extracted from Gaza the issue would almost evaporate but until someone finds an effective manner to do that the people of both countries will be subjected to the atrocities of war. 

 

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Really?  "Kill who you want" would seem to me to make progress easier, not harder.  The IDF must be really slacking if it took them two whole years to kill a measly 65,000 Gazans.  That's less than a hundred people a day. You really think that is the limit of their capability? 

 

Or, perhaps, does it indicate restraint? When dealing with a fanatic enemy, who use hospitals/schools/mosques as bases, who are hiding amongst a brainwashed population that believes in Holocaust 2.0, etc., I have to commend the IDF on their conduct.

As i said, 'as long as we don't lose US support '.

40 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

That is your own biased position.

 

I get it that you hate Israel

Yes, that's my position. You're accusing me of bias, when this and your other posts here are as biased as it gets 

 

You get wrong. I don't hate Israel, but do detest Israeli actions in Gaza and the West Bank.

Breaking news on the tv. Peace deal has been accepted by Hamas. Palestinians are celebrating.

On 10/5/2025 at 7:25 AM, emptypockets said:

Why?

The Egyptians built a wall to keep them out that Donald Trump would be proud of.

Why the support?

Murdering those poor kids at a music concert.

Sending missiles into Israel on a daily basis.

Chanting from the river to the sea, meaning no more Israel.

And doing this in protests in the west.

By the LGBTQ whatever as well, who wouldn't last long in any Islamic country 

Why?

I really can't understand it.

 

Europe is bringing in more muslims. The homosexuals wanted it. The world is strange

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

And those protestors did not come out to protest  when hundreds of thousands were dispossessed by the North Vietnamese, forced into slave labour agriculture work camps, or stripped of their belongings and  homes, or forced to flee as the "boat people". Nor did those people protest when  the defeated southerners were denied civil rights and deprived of the right to an education or healthcare.

And when the khmer Rouge launched is mass murder of  millions? They stayed silent. The killing fields were made possible in part because of their hypocrisy. 

They have not changed  either, because today those same people stay silent on the genocide in Darfur and the  war in Yemen, and the kidnapping and enslavement of  girls and boys in Nigeria. These are all evil acts involving muslims, and they stay silent. Perhaps they are cowards and afraid of what will happen if they protest against people who do not respect civil laws.

You ask good questions, and I can not answer all of them, but I curious to know if any of those events in Vietnam and Cambodia would happened without French and American intervention?

 

What happens in Asia and Africa matters more if we are involved than it is an internal matter, just look at Burma, and who is the true reason for their internal problems now 70 years later after the Brit’s left? 

 

All internal conflicts and border conflicts roots in former Colonial abuse true or false ? 

12 hours ago, stevenl said:

IDF operations are subject to 1 law: do what you can, kill who you want, take what you can as long as we don't lose US support.

 

Hence the slow progress. But the end result will be the same: annexation of Gaza and West Bank.

You live in fantasyland, Israel will not annex either place. We're not allowing it and Israel does what we say

10 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Breaking news on the tv. Peace deal has been accepted by Hamas. Palestinians are celebrating.

Trump won again. Those who hate him lost. Those who hate the Jews lost.those who hate the usa lost

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Trump won again. Those who hate him lost. Those who hate the Jews lost.those who hate the usa lost

Get out the humble pie. Big servings needed.

20 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

 

Err .... it was a bit more complicated.

 

The British promised the Arabs an independent state, which included the area of today`s Israel, if they would help them fight the Ottomans, which were Muslims but not Arabs. The Arabs kept their word, fought, bled, died and finally won over the Ottomans, the British didn`t.

They secretly agreed with the French on the Sykes-Picot treaty in 1916 to divide the Ottoman Empire's Arab territories into British and French spheres of influence after World War I. 

At the same time they promised the Jews, which were not really popular in Europe, a national home, not a state, in the Balfour declaration:

 

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

 

After WW I more and more Jews moved to Palestine, at first warmly welcomed by the Arabs, as hospitality to strangers has always been a very strong part of Middle Eastern culture and tradition, originating in the trade business where people were travelling on the Silk Road, more accurately the Silk Routes, a web of land and sea routes connecting Central, East, South, Southeast, and West Asia as well as East Africa and Southern Europe since the 2nd Century B.C.

 

Once it became clear the Jews had more sinister plans in mind or they simply did only understand the part of the Balfour declaration, which promised them a homeland but somehow failed to understand the part saying " nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine ", tensions rose, Arabs protested, the Jews founded terrorist organizations like Irgun and Hagana to kill and kick out Arabs and later even attacked their own allies, the British, which then had enough and left the chaos they had caused.

 

In order to bring back peace to the region the UN decided for a 2 state solution and agreed on the partition plan.

 

 

The Palestinians refused as they did not understand why their land has to be divided between them and the Jews who were less than 3% of the population for centuries until WW I and even now in 1947 only around 38%.

 

The Jews immediately founded Israel, took way more land than the UN had agreed on and did everything since then to refuse the Palestinians to own an independent state, while stealing more and more land through land grabbing or simply settling on land which did not belong to them.

 

Sure, a few times the Palestinians were offered something, but those offers could be described as: "We keep, what we stole. You officially agree with that turning occupied land into legal possession. And in return you get to live on some land which we will keep total control over. (Meaning: you will never have an official army with jets and tanks and whatever you need to protect yourself so we can steal more land as we see fit.).

 

Their moral justification is, that the land is theirs anyway, as their ancestors had been living there until 2000 years ago and it was promised to them by sky daddy, so you cannot steal your own land.

 

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

Now the sad part is, that THE Jews did not completely move to other countries 2000 years ago and now come back and demand their land.

 

Truth to be told, SOME Jews left, some of them to Europe, mostly to what today is called Russia, Poland and Ukraine, mixed with the population there, some even converting to Christianity and a few of their descendants now came back and made that crazy claim, which is not supported by any law or tradition on our planet.

 

Now comes the surprise: MANY if not most of the Jews never left the area known as Palestine. They simply lived under Roman rule, later converted to Christianity and again later to Islam, adapted to new regimes and cultures and their descendants are today known as the Palestinians.

 

This has been proven by many DNA tests. By comparing Ashkenazi, Mizrahi and Sephardic genome, looking for common parts and by this and many other methods determining "Jewish" DNA.

 

Guess which of these groups has the least Jewish DNA? The Ashkenazi, which is by the way the majority of Jews in Israel (and who don`t really look like Jews have been described in ancient books but much more like Europeans.)

 

And which group has the most Jewish DNA?

 

The Palestinians.

 

BOOM!

The Palestinians land will be improved with gentrification. 

6 hours ago, Hummin said:

You ask good questions, and I can not answer all of them, but I curious to know if any of those events in Vietnam and Cambodia would happened without French and American intervention?

The French laid the groundwork for the Vietnam War. The question is, would things have been different if FDR had not died? He was anti-colonial.

17 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The assassination of the celebrated Palestinian author, Ghassan Kanafani, by MOSSAD was a tragic event. Kanafani was a resolute voice for Palestinian resistance, stemming from his own family's violent expulsion from their ancestral homeland. The inherent consequence of violent theft and dispossession is not peace, but perpetual conflict.There will no peace without justice. 

 

 

On 8 July 1972, Kanafani, was assassinated in Beirut by the Mossad, the Israeli foreign intelligence service. When Kanafani turned on the ignition of his Austin 1100, a grenade connected to the ignition switch detonated and in turn detonated a 3 kilo plastic bomb planted behind the bumper bar.[39] Both Kanafani and his 17-year-old niece Lamees Najim, who had been accompanying him, were killed.[40][15]

It was suspected that his killing was in retaliation for the Lod Airport massacre, carried out days earlier by three members of the Japanese Red Army. However, some reports suggest that the assassination may have been planned before these events.[6] As the PFLP's spokesperson, Kanafani had claimed responsibility for the attack on behalf of the organization. He was also identified in photographs taken with the three Japanese militants shortly before the operation, which reportedly contributed to his inclusion on a Mossad hit list.[41]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassan_Kanafani#Assassination

 

Yes, He sounded like the voice of reason. 

 

 

19 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

And those protestors did not come out to protest  when hundreds of thousands were dispossessed by the North Vietnamese, forced into slave labour agriculture work camps, or stripped of their belongings and  homes, or forced to flee as the "boat people". Nor did those people protest when  the defeated southerners were denied civil rights and deprived of the right to an education or healthcare.

And when the khmer Rouge launched is mass murder of  millions? They stayed silent. The killing fields were made possible in part because of their hypocrisy. 

They have not changed  either, because today those same people stay silent on the genocide in Darfur and the  war in Yemen, and the kidnapping and enslavement of  girls and boys in Nigeria. These are all evil acts involving muslims, and they stay silent. Perhaps they are cowards and afraid of what will happen if they protest against people who do not respect civil laws.

I missed the protests when a real genocide was happening in Africa.