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Thailand's EV Market Faces Consumer Protection Challenges

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    This will be "fake news" to some EV owners on here

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2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

BYD

 commercial use

Vehicle warranty (Warranty) 6 years or 150,000 km.* (In the case of commercial use, 1 year or 100,000 km.)

 

Battery warranty: 8 years or 160,000 km.* (In the case of commercial use, battery cell warranty: 8 years or 500,000 km.)

if BYD gave 500,000 km warranty, it would be hard for the competition, but there must be a reason they dont do it.

 

China doesn't seem to have widespread reports of blade battery insulation resistance failures at 160,000+ km - their issues are different (fires from packaging defects, not high-mileage electrical isolation breakdown).

 

This is a Gemini research about the Insulation Resistance Failures in Thailand:

The 153,000 km and 190,000 km insulation resistance failures witnessed in Thailand appear to be:

- NOT commonly reported in China's domestic market
- Possibly climate-specific (Thailand's extreme heat/humidity vs. varied Chinese climates)
- Potentially manufacturing batch-specific
- Related to CTB architecture vulnerabilities under tropical stress

 

 

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Between 2020 and 2021, there were only 86 fires involving BEVs. But in the first quarter of 2022, reported fires involving BEVs suddenly shot up to 640 cases! This is according to China’s National Emergency Management Department, which supervises the Chinese fire and rescue services.

On average, Chinese fire fighters are called to put out 7 burning BEVs every day!

https://www.wapcar.my/news/byds-blade-battery-is-supposed-to-be-the-safest-but-its-evs-are-still-going-up-in-flames-in-china--what-is-happening-71386

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

 commercial use

Vehicle warranty (Warranty) 6 years or 150,000 km.* (In the case of commercial use, 1 year or 100,000 km.)

 

Battery warranty: 8 years or 160,000 km.* (In the case of commercial use, battery cell warranty: 8 years or 500,000 km.)

Chery, Aion

38 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

 

I read the 2 year old article you linked to from wapcar news,  but as it had no citations in it, nothing could be verified. I am not sure that "Hans, Head of Content" is probably the most reliable source of information.

 

BYD is still the biggest seller of EVs in China by a long way, if BYDs were all bursting into flame (but only in China) then I am sure it would be effecting sales

 

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https://carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/image-13.png

 

3 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

I read the 2 year old article you linked to,  but as it had no citations in it, so nothing could be verified. I am not sure that "Hans, Head of Content" is probably the most reliable source of information.

 

BYD is still the biggest seller of EVs in China by a long way, if BYDs were all bursting into flame (but only in China) then I am sure it would be effecting sales

 

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https://carnewschina.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/image-13.png

 

 

True, it's old, but the point to say is that in China, the issues are not the same as in Thailand, BEV fires will happen a lot more there because, well, there are million more EV Cars 😄 

 

I think BYD cars can be affected by the crazy heat coming from the road here in Thailand.

I often noticed when at a red light, the motor and battery temperatures exceeding 50C, you can check if you have the bluetooth chip and use CarScanner app on iPhone.

 

41 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

if BYD gave 500,000 km warranty, it would be hard for the competition, but there must be a reason they dont do it.

 

China doesn't seem to have widespread reports of blade battery insulation resistance failures at 160,000+ km - their issues are different (fires from packaging defects, not high-mileage electrical isolation breakdown).

 

This is a Gemini research about the Insulation Resistance Failures in Thailand:

The 153,000 km and 190,000 km insulation resistance failures witnessed in Thailand appear to be:

- NOT commonly reported in China's domestic market
- Possibly climate-specific (Thailand's extreme heat/humidity vs. varied Chinese climates)
- Potentially manufacturing batch-specific
- Related to CTB architecture vulnerabilities under tropical stress

 

 

https://www.wapcar.my/news/byds-blade-battery-is-supposed-to-be-the-safest-but-its-evs-are-still-going-up-in-flames-in-china--what-is-happening-71386

There are reports of  limited EV functionality in China for a number of brands  so issue is not limited to just Thailand

Most of the Chinese websites don't mention the number of KM when the fault occured and the majority of websites don't use English so you need to perform a search 比亚迪限制电动汽车功能 ( Byd limited EV function)

Atto3 is sold in China as the  BYD Yuan Plus

This article shows vehicles are extremely complex

this vehicle came to a complete stop in under 7 seconds while driving in the fast lane

"Based on dashcam footage, the car began braking at 12:20:21am while moving at 106km/h and came to a complete stop by 12:20:27am, in under seven seconds," he said.

the root cause was a defective sensor on the driver's door.

The vehicle was later sent to the BYD Glenmarie service centre, where it remained for 12 days before company representatives met Izwan in Melaka. Contrary to initial assumptions that a faulty 12V battery was to blame, BYD clarified that the root cause was a defective sensor on the driver's door.

"They informed me that when the door sensor malfunctions, the vehicle's safety system is automatically triggered. Hazard lights turn on instantly, the brakes engage abruptly, and the entire system shuts down.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2025/06/1224652/byd-suv-owner-opts-full-loan-settlement-after-highway-scare

BYD makes largest recall of over 115,000 cars due to design, battery issues

BEIJING, Oct 17 (Reuters) - Chinese car maker BYD will make its largest recall yet of more than 115,000 Tang series and Yuan Pro vehicles produced between 2015 and 2022 due to design defects and battery-related safety risks, China's market regulator said on Friday.

It also sought to recall 71,248 Yuan Pro electric vehicles made between February 2021 and August 2022 due to manufacturing issues affecting battery installation.

Before that, the automaker had recalled nearly 97,000 Dolphin and Yuan Plus EVs due to a manufacturing fault involving a steering control unit that posed risks of fire in September 2024.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/byd-makes-largest-recall-over-115000-cars-due-design-battery-issues-2025-10-17/

 

22 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

 

I think BYD cars can be affected by the crazy heat coming from the road here in Thailand.

I often noticed when at a red light, the motor and battery temperatures exceeding 50C, you can check if you have the bluetooth chip and use CarScanner app on iPhone.

 

I have an OBD2 scanner and haven't noticed unusually high temperatures.

 

Both my BYDs report errors such as over temperature warnings on the drivers display and the only warning I've seen is a tyre pressure warning 

 

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3 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

Keep in mind that Khunla has a special advanced solar+battery setup,

the 7.4kw (or 6.8kW, same thing) are great and can fill the whole battery overnight,

but some people like me, being on a temporary house with no more than 30A available, is forced to use slow charger, the 2kW charger uses 10A, that leaves 20A for both houses.

 

if your house electricity system is capable, certainly you should use the 7kW charger.

when I settle down, my future charger will be the 22kw 3Phase charger from ABB. which allows charging 7,11, and 22kW.

 

Ok thanks we have single phase and installing a 15kw solar system with a 15kwh battery and they asked if we want to install a 7kw charger point but as we have not yet got an EV and to be honest i got a bit worried seeing the post you made about battery issues i have calmed down with looking

I was going to buy a BYD Seal for around Christmas for my wife before she buys a Good cat.

I did think 2nd hand was the best option but with the discounts on new EVs i am not so sure.

17 hours ago, KhunLA said:
17 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Wow, such an imaginative post.

Perhaps Facebook may be more appropriate for you.

It's mostly adults on this forum.

I rarely give a 👎 and I won't do it anonymously.

 

Feel you troll a wee bit too much.

BYE BYE

 

Indeed - Giving an 'acutal' thumbs down rather an emoticon at least takes owership of it rather than hiding behind he elemet of anonymity (even though we are mostly anonymous anyway)... 

 

I think emptypockets just doesn't like EV's so will find anything, anything negative at all...

 

I'd rather a balanced discussion - So we when compare the 'battery risk in an EV' - think there is valid concern, particularly after warranty drops off and if 'other' manufacturers are not offering solid warranties on their batteries - thats clearly a concern, just as it is these days if an ICE manufacturers only offers 3 years warranty on its cars.

 

The whole “EVs are useless because the battery will fail and cost more than the car” argument is emotive - it plays on tistrust of newer tech and the 'don't change it if it again broke' attitude'....

 

The reality: about 1.5 % of EVs ever need a new battery outside of recalls, and most still have over 85–90 % capacity after 8–10 years (US DOE, 2024). Meanwhile, combustion cars are more than twice as likely to suffer major breakdowns or engine failures - 10 vs 4 per 1,000 according to ADAC (InsideEVs, 2024). The “battery puncture write-off” fear is fantasy too: packs are sealed and reinforced, and you’d need a serious crash to hit one. In short, EV battery failure is rarer than a blown engine, better covered by warranty, and far less of a real-world risk than the petrol crowd like to pretend.

 

Thus: IMO this article is somewhat 'fear mongering' although - I would be concerned if I owned a BYD that was now worth 400,000 baht after 4 yers and the battery failed...  But then I'd also be concerned if I owned a Toyota Yaris worth 400,000 baht after 4 yers and the engine failed... BUT - all of that said, labor is cheap in Thailand, so a engine work and repair is a lot more feasible than changing out a batter - but surely as the industry evolves, as will the competion with regards to batteries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Indeed - Giving an 'acutal' thumbs down rather an emoticon at least takes owership of it rather than hiding behind he elemet of anonymity (even though we are mostly anonymous anyway)... 

 

I think emptypockets just doesn't like EV's so will find anything, anything negative at all...

 

I'd rather a balanced discussion - So we when compare the 'battery risk in an EV' - think there is valid concern, particularly after warranty drops off and if 'other' manufacturers are not offering solid warranties on their batteries - thats clearly a concern, just as it is these days if an ICE manufacturers only offers 3 years warranty on its cars.

 

The whole “EVs are useless because the battery will fail and cost more than the car” argument is emotive - it plays on tistrust of newer tech and the 'don't change it if it again broke' attitude'....

 

The reality: about 1.5 % of EVs ever need a new battery outside of recalls, and most still have over 85–90 % capacity after 8–10 years (US DOE, 2024). Meanwhile, combustion cars are more than twice as likely to suffer major breakdowns or engine failures - 10 vs 4 per 1,000 according to ADAC (InsideEVs, 2024). The “battery puncture write-off” fear is fantasy too: packs are sealed and reinforced, and you’d need a serious crash to hit one. In short, EV battery failure is rarer than a blown engine, better covered by warranty, and far less of a real-world risk than the petrol crowd like to pretend.

 

Thus: IMO this article is somewhat 'fear mongering' although - I would be concerned if I owned a BYD that was now worth 400,000 baht after 4 yers and the battery failed...  But then I'd also be concerned if I owned a Toyota Yaris worth 400,000 baht after 4 yers and the engine failed... BUT - all of that said, labor is cheap in Thailand, so a engine work and repair is a lot more feasible than changing out a batter - but surely as the industry evolves, as will the competion with regards to batteries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You think wrong.

My opinion is that EV's have their place. And if you only drive around town and use solar for charging that is great.

My initial comment was along the lines that if you are stopping every 200-250km and buying KFC (as the poster I responded to stated) then the total cost of the trip is a lot more than simply recharging the vehicle.

Unfortunately the evangelists went full Greta and the pile on started, completely ignoring my original comment.

I've got a thick skin and their comments bounce off.

I do have some concerns though, and that it seems that some of the EV people seem to be going the same way as the so called lefties in that it is my way or the highway. That's not healthy.

Perhaps they are trying to justify their purchase to others.

Similar to the Bitcoin fan boys.

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On 10/16/2025 at 8:09 AM, KhunLA said:

Next, people will be asking me for vids of me walking the dog at PTT  :coffee1:

 

I think your proof was false - looking at the photo, that dog is clearly 'taking you for a walk' !!!! :excl:

I have to be honest i was about to buy a BYD used probably a Seal AND a Neta or Atto3 for my son

Since reading about the battery warranty and a bill for a new battery costing around the same as buying a new EV i have changed my mind about the purchase.

 

Although saying that both cars i would look for will be  low KM no chance i would buy with 90k or more  so the chances of going over 160k in 8 years would be small as our main car for long trips will always be the ICE but for my wife going to Makro/Big C in the week it would be perfect.

 

The one time she drove my car years ago she took the petrol pump nozzle out of its holder coming in hot (about 40kpm).
Best to charge with solar and she can avoid PTT.

She likes Makro as it has huge car parks

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I think your proof was false - looking at the photo, that dog is clearly 'taking you for a walk' !!!! :excl:

As always.  Not only my therapist, but my personal trainer also 😎

24 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

You think wrong.

My opinion is that EV's have their place. And if you only drive around town and use solar for charging that is great.

 

Agreed – solar charging can further enhance cost savings, but only if you already have solar installed for general household use rather than adding it purely for car charging. We don’t have solar ourselves, so we rely entirely on our home wall charger.

 

- EV (88.1 kWh pack): ~ ฿ 375 for a full charge → ~ ฿ 0.75/km

- ICE (8 L/100 km): ~ ฿ 1,733 to travel 500 km → ~ ฿ 3.47/km

 

So, on a like-for-like basis, the EV works out about 4.6 times cheaper to fuel. Of course, there are other factors to consider – slightly higher insurance costs, the need for named drivers, and the potential for steeper depreciation after six or seven years (though how significant that risk really is remains to be seen).

 

24 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

My initial comment was along the lines that if you are stopping every 200-250km and buying KFC (as the poster I responded to stated) then the total cost of the trip is a lot more than simply recharging the vehicle.

 

That poster was me – and the point you deliberately missed is that when we go on a long trip, we tend to stop anyway to grab a bite to eat (I just used KFC as an example). You’ve twisted that into implying we’re adding the cost of a KFC every time we charge, which is absurd.

 

24 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Unfortunately the evangelists went full Greta and the pile on started, completely ignoring my original comment.

I've got a thick skin and their comments bounce off.

 

Agreed on the Greta point – as I’ve said before, I’m neither pro- nor anti-EV; I’ve got no skin in the game. I chose ours simply because I liked the car.

After a year of owning an EV, I have to say I’m genuinely impressed – and one of the things I enjoy most is not having to pull into a petrol station every week.

 

You might want to suggest thats just me justifying my choice and I see that with some arguements - people get locked in and making absurd excused to justify something (like the Cash vs Digital argument - lots of absurd excuses in that one - its ok just to prefer something)... 

 

If I had a different EV, I might think its rubbish, I've been in other EV's and was not that impressed - so it comes down to the actual car quality and dealership follow up as well.

 

 

24 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

I do have some concerns though, and that it seems that some of the EV people seem to be going the same way as the so called lefties in that it is my way or the highway. That's not healthy.

 

I think your concern is misplaced – it only feels that way because the arguments being made against EVs are being met with facts on forums like this and some folk just do not like it when common sense arguments contradict them.

 

Every time I see an anti-EV argument, I can flip it and apply the same logic against ICE cars. All I’m doing is providing balance.

 

Take the fire risk debate, for example. For ages people were shouting about EVs supposedly being fire hazards, until the data showed they’re significantly less likely to catch fire than petrol or diesel vehicles. When that angle collapsed, the argument shifted to “yes, but EV fires are harder to put out” or “what about multi-storey car parks?”. Then the Luton Airport fire happened, destroying over 1,300 vehicles, and the cause turned out to be a diesel car – much to the disappointment of a few anti-EV types who had clearly been waiting to use it as ammunition.

 

My point is simple: I call out bias when I see it.

- Driving not long distances dailly (i.e. >250km or our in our case, less than >450)  and home charging ? An EV is perfect.

- If you drive long distances every day and need fast refuelling, then yes, an EV isn’t ideal.
- If you’re out in the countryside with sparse charging infrastructure, again, not ideal.

 

But the biggest potential challenge – and one that’s rarely mentioned – will come when EV adoption hits critical mass. Queues for public chargers could become a real issue: waiting 30 minutes for the car in front before you can even start charging isn’t fun. Still, that’s a logistical problem, not a technological one – and systems like booking ahead or managed charging can solve it. It just requires a shift in how we plan journeys.

 

For some people, that idea alone is enough to make them swear off EVs – but that’s preference, not proof of inferiority.

 

24 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Perhaps they are trying to justify their purchase to others.

Similar to the Bitcoin fan boys.

 

It’s exactly like the age-old Apple vs Android debate - once someone starts throwing around the “fanboy” label or the “Bitcoin-style hype” argument, they’ve already exposed their bias. The moment you use that kind of phrasing, you’re no longer being objective; you’re signalling that your viewpoint is driven more by emotion than by evidence.

 

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

I have an OBD2 scanner and haven't noticed unusually high temperatures.

 

Both my BYDs report errors such as over temperature warnings on the drivers display and the only warning I've seen is a tyre pressure warning 

 

 

Curious: which OBD2 scanner you have and which profile are you using in Car Scanner? 

Are you able to get Torque in NM out from CarScanner? 

I dont have access to the Atto3 until next week, then I will check closely my battery temperature on a very hot day.

I already sold my Atto3 to my in-law (for very cheap) but I will use the car until January.

24 minutes ago, kwak250 said:

I have to be honest i was about to buy a BYD used probably a Seal AND a Neta or Atto3 for my son

Since reading about the battery warranty and a bill for a new battery costing around the same as buying a new EV i have changed my mind about the purchase.

 

Although saying that both cars i would look for will be  low KM no chance i would buy with 90k or more  so the chances of going over 160k in 8 years would be small as our main car for long trips will always be the ICE but for my wife going to Makro/Big C in the week it would be perfect.

 

Forget NETA they're going out of business - but as BritMan says - it ticks a box....  Its safer than a motorcycle for your son too - but so is a Mazda 2 etc....

 

As far as battery warranties are concerned - thats individual per manufacturer...   So cost of vehicle itself, vs manufacturer warrant itself comes into an individual decision - as might the cost of wall charger installation ( and if free or not ).

 

24 minutes ago, kwak250 said:

The one time she drove my car years ago she took the petrol pump nozzle out of its holder coming in hot (about 40kpm).
Best to charge with solar and she can avoid PTT.

She likes Makro as it has huge car parks

 

We've all heard of stories of someone putting petrol in a diesel car !!! 

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Agreed – solar charging can further enhance cost savings, but only if you already have solar installed for general household use rather than adding it purely for car charging. We don’t have solar ourselves, so we rely entirely on our home wall charger.

 

- EV (88.1 kWh pack): ~ ฿ 375 for a full charge → ~ ฿ 0.75/km

- ICE (8 L/100 km): ~ ฿ 1,733 to travel 500 km → ~ ฿ 3.47/km

 

So, on a like-for-like basis, the EV works out about 4.6 times cheaper to fuel. Of course, there are other factors to consider – slightly higher insurance costs, the need for named drivers, and the potential for steeper depreciation after six or seven years (though how significant that risk really is remains to be seen).

 

 

That poster was me – and the point you deliberately missed is that when we go on a long trip, we tend to stop anyway to grab a bite to eat (I just used KFC as an example). You’ve twisted that into implying we’re adding the cost of a KFC every time we charge, which is absurd.

 

 

Agreed on the Greta point – as I’ve said before, I’m neither pro- nor anti-EV; I’ve got no skin in the game. I chose ours simply because I liked the car.

After a year of owning an EV, I have to say I’m genuinely impressed – and one of the things I enjoy most is not having to pull into a petrol station every week.

 

You might want to suggest thats just me justifying my choice and I see that with some arguements - people get locked in and making absurd excused to justify something (like the Cash vs Digital argument - lots of absurd excuses in that one - its ok just to prefer something)... 

 

If I had a different EV, I might think its rubbish, I've been in other EV's and was not that impressed - so it comes down to the actual car quality and dealership follow up as well.

 

 

 

I think your concern is misplaced – it only feels that way because the arguments being made against EVs are being met with facts on forums like this and some folk just do not like it when common sense arguments contradict them.

 

Every time I see an anti-EV argument, I can flip it and apply the same logic against ICE cars. All I’m doing is providing balance.

 

Take the fire risk debate, for example. For ages people were shouting about EVs supposedly being fire hazards, until the data showed they’re significantly less likely to catch fire than petrol or diesel vehicles. When that angle collapsed, the argument shifted to “yes, but EV fires are harder to put out” or “what about multi-storey car parks?”. Then the Luton Airport fire happened, destroying over 1,300 vehicles, and the cause turned out to be a diesel car – much to the disappointment of a few anti-EV types who had clearly been waiting to use it as ammunition.

 

My point is simple: I call out bias when I see it.

- Driving not long distances dailly (i.e. >250km or our in our case, less than >450)  and home charging ? An EV is perfect.

- If you drive long distances every day and need fast refuelling, then yes, an EV isn’t ideal.
- If you’re out in the countryside with sparse charging infrastructure, again, not ideal.

 

But the biggest potential challenge – and one that’s rarely mentioned – will come when EV adoption hits critical mass. Queues for public chargers could become a real issue: waiting 30 minutes for the car in front before you can even start charging isn’t fun. Still, that’s a logistical problem, not a technological one – and systems like booking ahead or managed charging can solve it. It just requires a shift in how we plan journeys.

 

For some people, that idea alone is enough to make them swear off EVs – but that’s preference, not proof of inferiority.

 

 

It’s exactly like the age-old Apple vs Android debate - once someone starts throwing around the “fanboy” label or the “Bitcoin-style hype” argument, they’ve already exposed their bias. The moment you use that kind of phrasing, you’re no longer being objective; you’re signalling that your viewpoint is driven more by emotion than by evidence.

 

I guess another thing that people ignore, because it hasn't happened, yet, is the future cost of owning an EV. Governments love their taxes, from fuel etc, which they aren't getting from EVs. Give it time and the cost of owning an EV will increase, maybe a special registration tax or a charge per km driven at inspection time.

 

I have no doubt that there will come a time when I'll buy an EV, but in the short/ medium term a hybrid vehicle would suit me due to the distances I travel and lack of charging stations.

Even when we are in Thailand, in the Surin district, I see many charging stations at PTT and many of them are not in service.

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Agreed – solar charging can further enhance cost savings, but only if you already have solar installed for general household use rather than adding it purely for car charging. We don’t have solar ourselves, so we rely entirely on our home wall charger.

 

- EV (88.1 kWh pack): ~ ฿ 375 for a full charge → ~ ฿ 0.75/km

- ICE (8 L/100 km): ~ ฿ 1,733 to travel 500 km → ~ ฿ 3.47/km

 

So, on a like-for-like basis, the EV works out about 4.6 times cheaper to fuel. Of course, there are other factors to consider – slightly higher insurance costs, the need for named drivers, and the potential for steeper depreciation after six or seven years (though how significant that risk really is remains to be seen).

 

 

That poster was me – and the point you deliberately missed is that when we go on a long trip, we tend to stop anyway to grab a bite to eat (I just used KFC as an example). You’ve twisted that into implying we’re adding the cost of a KFC every time we charge, which is absurd.

 

 

Agreed on the Greta point – as I’ve said before, I’m neither pro- nor anti-EV; I’ve got no skin in the game. I chose ours simply because I liked the car.

After a year of owning an EV, I have to say I’m genuinely impressed – and one of the things I enjoy most is not having to pull into a petrol station every week.

 

You might want to suggest thats just me justifying my choice and I see that with some arguements - people get locked in and making absurd excused to justify something (like the Cash vs Digital argument - lots of absurd excuses in that one - its ok just to prefer something)... 

 

If I had a different EV, I might think its rubbish, I've been in other EV's and was not that impressed - so it comes down to the actual car quality and dealership follow up as well.

 

 

 

I think your concern is misplaced – it only feels that way because the arguments being made against EVs are being met with facts on forums like this and some folk just do not like it when common sense arguments contradict them.

 

Every time I see an anti-EV argument, I can flip it and apply the same logic against ICE cars. All I’m doing is providing balance.

 

Take the fire risk debate, for example. For ages people were shouting about EVs supposedly being fire hazards, until the data showed they’re significantly less likely to catch fire than petrol or diesel vehicles. When that angle collapsed, the argument shifted to “yes, but EV fires are harder to put out” or “what about multi-storey car parks?”. Then the Luton Airport fire happened, destroying over 1,300 vehicles, and the cause turned out to be a diesel car – much to the disappointment of a few anti-EV types who had clearly been waiting to use it as ammunition.

 

My point is simple: I call out bias when I see it.

- Driving not long distances dailly (i.e. >250km or our in our case, less than >450)  and home charging ? An EV is perfect.

- If you drive long distances every day and need fast refuelling, then yes, an EV isn’t ideal.
- If you’re out in the countryside with sparse charging infrastructure, again, not ideal.

 

But the biggest potential challenge – and one that’s rarely mentioned – will come when EV adoption hits critical mass. Queues for public chargers could become a real issue: waiting 30 minutes for the car in front before you can even start charging isn’t fun. Still, that’s a logistical problem, not a technological one – and systems like booking ahead or managed charging can solve it. It just requires a shift in how we plan journeys.

 

For some people, that idea alone is enough to make them swear off EVs – but that’s preference, not proof of inferiority.

 

 

It’s exactly like the age-old Apple vs Android debate - once someone starts throwing around the “fanboy” label or the “Bitcoin-style hype” argument, they’ve already exposed their bias. The moment you use that kind of phrasing, you’re no longer being objective; you’re signalling that your viewpoint is driven more by emotion than by evidence.

 

I'm quoting you merely because you are obviously intelligent and logical, not because of your actual post.

I have a question:

How often does an EV need servicing? Is it every six months or 10,000 km like a typical ICE to maintain warranty?

2 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

Curious: which OBD2 scanner you have and which profile are you using in Car Scanner? 

 

This is a video I made about the OBD2 Scanner when I bought it about 2 years ago, so probably there are newer and better ones available now

 

 

3 hours ago, kwak250 said:

Since reading about the battery warranty and a bill for a new battery costing around the same as buying a new EV i have changed my mind about the purchase.

 

 

BYD double sided crash test where they took the crash damaged battery out and put it in another car. A crash like this would have probably written the car off, but the battery survived.

 

 

 

 

Battery replacement costs from BYD:

 

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8 hours ago, emptypockets said:

I guess another thing that people ignore, because it hasn't happened, yet, is the future cost of owning an EV. Governments love their taxes, from fuel etc, which they aren't getting from EVs. Give it time and the cost of owning an EV will increase, maybe a special registration tax or a charge per km driven at inspection time.

 

I have no doubt that there will come a time when I'll buy an EV, but in the short/ medium term a hybrid vehicle would suit me due to the distances I travel and lack of charging stations.

Even when we are in Thailand, in the Surin district, I see many charging stations at PTT and many of them are not in service.

 

Agreed - and it’s a point I’ve raised before in several EV discussions.

 

There was a time in the UK when we were actively encouraged to shift our electricity usage to off-peak hours. 

I remember schemes like Economy 7, as a young child, which offered cheaper overnight electricity rates for running appliances such as washing machines, tumble dryers, or storage heaters during the small hours. The idea was simple: balance demand across the grid and reward consumers for using power when overall consumption was low.

 

However, with the growing uptake of electric vehicles, this balance is changing dramatically. Millions of EVs being plugged in overnight means that what was once the “quiet period” for electricity demand is fast becoming the new peak. Energy suppliers and regulators are already adapting, and we’re starting to see the gradual erosion of cheap night-time tariffs. Some providers are even introducing time-of-use pricing that penalises charging during popular hours, particularly in the evenings and at night.

 

Ultimately, the government and energy companies will need to recoup the substantial tax revenue lost from declining fuel duty as petrol and diesel sales fall. Higher electricity costs - especially for domestic and vehicle charging - are an inevitable part of that equation.

 

Will there be a tax for having solar cells on our roof ?...  

 

In short, what was once sold as the economical and eco-friendly future may soon come with a hefty price tag attached.

 

 

8 hours ago, emptypockets said:

How often does an EV need servicing? Is it every six months or 10,000 km like a typical ICE to maintain warranty?

 

EV's are more 'service friendly', less moving parts, they require much less servicing...  

15 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Even when we are in Thailand, in the Surin district, I see many charging stations at PTT and many of them are not in service.

 

I am also in Surin and having had EVs for 5 years I can report I very rarely find charging stations not working here. 

 

There does however, seem to be a problem with the commissioning process for new EV chargers, they are installed but then can sit for months with tape on them before somebody finally signs them off - I just put that down to Thai bureaucracy, but to the casual observer it will look like the charger is broken. 

 

When I do return trips from Surin to BKK, I tend to do a quick charge at a BYD Dealer each way, where I can see on the app that the chargers are working and available. 

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11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

Ultimately, the government and energy companies will need to recoup the substantial tax revenue lost from declining fuel duty as petrol and diesel sales fall. Higher electricity costs - especially for domestic and vehicle charging - are an inevitable part of that equation.

 

 

Thailand is a heavy diesel user, specially with so much palm abundance from the south for Biodiesel production. 

Diesel demand can only continue to grow or keep steady. 
Thailand is heavily and structurally dependent on diesel, consuming 65-70 million liters daily. The transportation sector alone is nearly 60% of this consumption, with agricultural machinery and fishing vessels consuming another significant portion. Diesel is required for the Thai economy.

 

This government could add more incentive for more Solar power and allow people to sell back more than 5kW. That limitation is just non-sense. Solar panels are getting cheaper and there is very little tax from goods from China.

And most important, Thailand has so much irradiation availability from the sun. 

 

All modern grid-tie inverters with IEEE 1547-2018 compliance provide reactive power support, voltage regulation, and frequency-ride-through capabilities that actually strengthen grid stability rather than compromise it as the MEA says. 

 

Look at this absurdity:

A normal Thai house with 60-80 m² of suitable roof area could easily accommodate 15-20 kWp of modern 500W-700W monocrystalline panels (21-22% efficiency). Now, with net metering limited to 5 kW, people  are essentially forced to waste production or disable the export, wasting generation capacity that could offset Thailands 130+ TWh annual consumption. 

If I can only sell 5kW back, it's better than nothing, but 5kW is also nothing much.

It's the Chinese EV manufacturing companies that are to blame and are notorious for awful and indifferent after-sales service, maintenance, and sourcing of parts, plus how expensive it is... basically, they don't care, which is very Chinese. I would never buy one of those piles of manure masquerading as a future solution to motoring. Not only that, there are something like a over a hundred Chinese EV companies and 95% of them will fail... like NETA has. Even just on principle, I wouldn't give my money to some state owned/subsidized Chinese company due to the crimes of the CCP... need to stop that, which I know is hard in general, but easy with a car purchase.

Why would you want a Chinese EV from a company that is likely to/has gone/will go bankrupt? Maybe you would, but I wouldn't. I might buy a non-Chinese EV in like 10-15 years when it has all shaken out, but not now, no way.

In China Byd does offer a limited Lifetime Warranty Conditions for BYD EV's Three Electric Systems

The vehicle must be the first owner

 

The total mileage of the vehicle does not exceed 30,000 kilometers within every 12 months from the date of purchase.

3. Accident maintenance must be carried out at an authorized BYD service center, and the accident has not caused damage to parts related to the three electric systems.

You must go to a BYD authorized service center for maintenance within the warranty period as specified in the user manual.

Maintenance and repairs must use genuine spare parts from the original factory.

Must register for BYD Cloud Services and Dipper Club.

The normal decay of battery capacity is not covered by the warranty.

The warranty benefits will no longer be extended after the ownership of the vehicle changes.

Vehicles used for non-household purposes, such as official, commercial, or racing cars, will not be eligible for the lifetime warranty.

https://www.bitauto.com/wiki/100128571398/

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

In China Byd does offer a limited Lifetime Warranty Conditions for BYD EV's Three Electric Systems

The vehicle must be the first owner

 

The total mileage of the vehicle does not exceed 30,000 kilometers within every 12 months from the date of purchase.

3. Accident maintenance must be carried out at an authorized BYD service center, and the accident has not caused damage to parts related to the three electric systems.

You must go to a BYD authorized service center for maintenance within the warranty period as specified in the user manual.

Maintenance and repairs must use genuine spare parts from the original factory.

Must register for BYD Cloud Services and Dipper Club.

The normal decay of battery capacity is not covered by the warranty.

The warranty benefits will no longer be extended after the ownership of the vehicle changes.

Vehicles used for non-household purposes, such as official, commercial, or racing cars, will not be eligible for the lifetime warranty.

https://www.bitauto.com/wiki/100128571398/

Useless in shorter words.

6 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

Useless in shorter words.

Disagree 30,000 kilometers within every 12 months from the date of purchase is enough for majority of people

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