On 10/13/2025 at 9:32 PM, Somjot said:

 

I agree, exposing Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity are not useful for you.

 

 

I don`t think my questions were rhetorical when I asked you about the reason for all the war crimes the IDF committed against unarmed civilians as that totally opposes their official goal, to eliminate Hamas.

 

True, I did not expect an informative answer from you as I doubt you are some IDF general with insight in their strategies but I wanted to know your stance on this, which is typical Israeli:

1. Deny ("I don`t believe that happened")

and after the evidence became too strong:

2. cheap excuse ("Oh, you mean THAT massacre? Well, that was just a misunderstanding, a tragic but unintentional mistake.")

 

One could almost believe you if, yes if only Israel did not have a decade long tradition of massacre/denial/cheap excuse going back into the early 50ies.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_admissions_to_misconduct_after_initial_denials

 

 

 

That`s calling a spade a spade.

 

 

Maybe but I doubt it. I think the main reason is that you don`t like to be confronted with realities which do not fit in your agenda.

 

 

That was rhetorical. Right?

 

 

Actually, it is not.

 

Israel took more land than assigned in 1948 and grabbed another huge chunk in the war they started (1967) and illegally creates more an more settlements.

 

That is theft or land grabbing and according to international law, illegal. Period.

 

It doesn`t matter how much Israel comes up with some ownership rights as it was a gift from God some 3000 years ago.

 

I am sorry if I blow your Zionist bubble of a peaceful Israel, where Jews live together in their Kibbutzim in harmony and peace with their neighbors doing nothing else than plow their fields and praise JHWH.

 

I can imagine that the first Jews moving to Palestine at the beginning of the last century had something like that in mind.

 

Maybe they thought, they could just buy the land from the Arabs (they actually bought some of it, around 6%) and live their dream.

 

Well, turns out the Arabs were hoping for their own country too after being under Ottoman rule for Hundreds of years.

 

In the end they did not only not get their independent country as the British had promised them for fighting against the Ottomans, they even lost the land they had been living on for generations because of another promise the British had made to the Jews.

 

The rest ist tragic history.

this is tragic... where is Greta now?

16 hours ago, ezzra said:

I wonder what Greta Tunberg will have to say about it?  

Pathetic remark.

 

I have said it already, since the future of gaza and how to govern was left in the open, the agreement will turn out to be bad. Hamas got what it wanted, freedom for a little under 2000 prisoners, for a big part rightfully so since they were held indefinitely without trial, but for another part sadly so, Israel got 20 hostages in return. 

 

Hamas still exists, the whole Israeli military campaign was useless.

48 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Pathetic remark.

 

I have said it already, since the future of gaza and how to govern was left in the open, the agreement will turn out to be bad. Hamas got what it wanted, freedom for a little under 2000 prisoners, for a big part rightfully so since they were held indefinitely without trial, but for another part sadly so, Israel got 20 hostages in return. 

 

Hamas still exists, the whole Israeli military campaign was useless.

What pathetic is that now, the Palestinians are doing the very same they have accused the IDF of doing, summary executions in the streets of their very own people, no trial, no hearing, a bullet in the head, that is the Hamas that millions were supporting

''Free Palestine" they have marched and shouted all over the world, now you will see how ''free' Palestine is. 

Off topic post removed.

37 minutes ago, ezzra said:

What pathetic is that now, the Palestinians are doing the very same they have accused the IDF of doing, summary executions in the streets of their very own people, no trial, no hearing, a bullet in the head, that is the Hamas that millions were supporting

''Free Palestine" they have marched and shouted all over the world, now you will see how ''free' Palestine is. 

Nobody was supporting hamas. This peace agreement the whole middle East plus USA will regret.

20 hours ago, ezzra said:

Hamas is intending to rule the the strip with an iron fist and barrels of guns, maybe Palestinians now will not die because of Israel but in internal feuds and power grabbing among themselves, I wonder what Greta Tunberg will have to say about it?  

Is Greta Palestinian?

 

On 10/13/2025 at 11:38 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 Its extremely distasteful to target  poster with the Star of David as an avatar and make false equivalents bout concertation camps . 

 Anti Israelis seem to love to make Nazis references when talking to pro Israelis 

 

On 10/13/2025 at 12:09 PM, Somjot said:

Maybe that`s because there are some similarities.

 

Herrenrasse - chosen people

 

Yes, there is one striking similarity: antisemitism.  Be careful, @Somjot,  you are getting close to classic anti-Jewish tropes.   Herrenrasse  translates more accurately as "master race, "   which has nothing to do with the Jewish concept of a chosen people.  Jews consider themselves to be "chosen people" because they believe God chose them for a special covenant, It is not based on racial or ethnic superiority.  

 

On 10/13/2025 at 10:32 AM, Somjot said:

I agree, exposing Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity are not useful for you.

 

 

   You haven't exposed anything, least of all war crime and crimes against humanity.

 

On 10/13/2025 at 10:32 AM, Somjot said:

I don`t think my questions were rhetorical when I asked you about the reason for all the war crimes the IDF committed against unarmed civilians as that totally opposes their official goal, to eliminate Hamas.

 

True, I did not expect an informative answer from you as I doubt you are some IDF general with insight in their strategies but I wanted to know your stance on this, which is typical Israeli:

1. Deny ("I don`t believe that happened")

and after the evidence became too strong:

2. cheap excuse ("Oh, you mean THAT massacre? Well, that was just a misunderstanding, a tragic but unintentional mistake.")

 

One could almost believe you if, yes if only Israel did not have a decade long tradition of massacre/denial/cheap excuse going back into the early 50ies.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_admissions_to_misconduct_after_initial_denials

 

I can only repeat what I have written before:

 

On 9/29/2025 at 11:46 PM, Evil Penevil said:

 

Palestinians  who aren't members of Hamas are unfortunate casualties of war.  Innocent civilians die in almost every armed conflict.  The Gaza war is no exception.  Israel's intent is not to eliminate the Palestinian people but Hamas as a terrorist organization.  A large number of civilians have died in Gaza because Hamas used them as human shields to protect its tunnel system and other military targets.  These deaths  are NOT the result of genocide but  of warfare in a dense urban environment.  Most of the civilian casualties are due to Hamas terrorists hiding among non-combatants or using civilian infrastructure as weapons' depots or firing points.  That's a tragedy but it's not genocide. 

 

The situation is akin to the civilian deaths caused by Allied aerial bombing in Germany and Japan during WWII.  An estimated 100,000 civilians were killed in the fire bombing of Tokyo, while over 100,00 civilians immediately died from the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  The Dresden fire bombing killed at least 25,000 civilians and the bombing of Hamburg about 43,000.  Tens of thousands of other civilians died in the bombing of other cities in Japan and Germany.   During WWII, the U.S. and U.K. killed  an estimated 500,000 German civilians through aerial bombardment,  while 350,000 to 450,000 Japanese  civilians died due to U.S. bombing.  In both Germany and Japan, the majority of victims were women, children and the elderly. 

 

In a 48-hour period in March, 1945, at least 100,000 Japanese civilians died in the USAAF fire bombing of Tokyo.  The RAF and USAAF  got 37,000 civilians in Hamburg,  while the RAF wracked up 20,000  in Cologne and 25,000 in Dresden.  No one accused the U.S. or U.K. of genocide because it wasn't their intent to wipe out Germans or Japanese, only to kill a lot of them. 

 

Same-same with the Israeli bombing of Gaza.  How is it any different than the U.S. bombing of Tokyo or the RAF bombing of Dresden?  

 

 

On 10/13/2025 at 10:32 AM, Somjot said:

That`s calling a spade a spade.

 

No, that is calling a spade an eggbeater.  You are calling legitimate military action "murder" and "genocide."

 

On 10/13/2025 at 10:32 AM, Somjot said:

Maybe but I doubt it. I think the main reason is that you don`t like to be confronted with realities which do not fit in your agenda.

 

That was rhetorical. Right?

 

Rhetorical but not a question.

 

On 10/13/2025 at 10:32 AM, Somjot said:

Actually, it is not.

 

Israel took more land than assigned in 1948 and grabbed another huge chunk in the war they started (1967) and illegally creates more an more settlements.

 

That is theft or land grabbing and according to international law, illegal. Period.

 

 

On the contrary,  Israel's takeover of land in the former Palestinian mandate is very complicated. Israel couldn't have stolen land from Palestinians that never belonged to Palestinians.  It goes back the question of who owned, rather than just occupied, land in Palestine prior to Israel's Declaration of Independence in 1948. It can't b explained in a few words.  And it is off-topic in terms of this thread.

On 10/14/2025 at 10:32 AM, ezzra said:

The people of Gaza will be yarning for the days the IDF was around, that way they were somehow protected,

 

After all the horrors Israel brought upon them in the last decades and especially in the last 2 years, with 82% of their buildings destroyed, all of their hospitals in ruins, Hundred(s)thousands dead, shot, burned alive, torn to pieces or slowly died suffocating under the rubble, whole family trees wiped out and you really think, they will yarn for the IDF?

 

I am speechless.

 

On 10/14/2025 at 10:32 AM, ezzra said:

now with the Hamas having free hand the extrajudicial and summary executions will be part of their daily lives as Hamas knows how to do best, for them the lives of the Palestinians are expendables and worth nothing and they will be ruled with an iron fist and though the barrel of the gun, maybe the Palestinians got some sort of ' freedom' now but the way between this in house terror frteemod and the real 'freedom' is a 100 miles away and many, many more dead Palestinians. Mark my word.

 

That was foreseeable: 

 

Same as in Afghanistan or Irak when some locals thought it might be a good idea to cooperate with the US military. They were promised protection or even a life in the US.

As usual the US withdraw one day, the old leaders came back and took revenge.

 

Not saying I support those executions but they chose to cooperate with the arch enemy and paid the price.

 

 

12 hours ago, ezzra said:

What pathetic is that now, the Palestinians are doing the very same they have accused the IDF of doing, summary executions in the streets of their very own people, no trial, no hearing, a bullet in the head, that is the Hamas that millions were supporting

''Free Palestine" they have marched and shouted all over the world, now you will see how ''free' Palestine is. 

 

I tell you what`s pathetic.

 

That all those supporters of the brutal attacks on and destruction of Gaza with mass casualties in the civil population kept saying "Well, they are all Hamas, they voted for Hamas" and even now refuse to admit that you were dead wrong.

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Yes, there is one striking similarity: antisemitism.  Be careful, @Somjot,  you are getting close to classic anti-Jewish tropes.   Herrenrasse  translates more accurately as "master race, "   which has nothing to do with the Jewish concept of a chosen people.  Jews consider themselves to be "chosen people" because they believe God chose them for a special covenant, It is not based on racial or ethnic superiority.  

 

Oh please, I am fully aware that Jews do not have these stupid racial theories the moronic Nazis came up with where you can determine from the skeleton or the shape of the skull if someone belongs to the superior race.

 

But calling themselves "God`s chosen people" is clearly pointing out some kind of higher value, or being special and more important to God compared to other not chosen people.

 

Starts with land ownership rights, which God has interestingly only made towards Jewish people and with which the whole land grabbing is justified since decades.

 

By the way, if God, the mightiest being in the universe had promised you that land and you have been living on that land for more than 1000 or so years, then why leave it 2000 years ago?

 

Don`t say Jews have been driven out because if so then why wait 2000 years to come back?

 

Truth is most Jews never left. They stayed and later converted to Christianity and again later to Islam adapting to the political changes of the time and are now called Palestinians.

That`s why Palestinians have more Hebrew DNA than Israelis.

That`s why much less Palestinians are allergic to the indigenous olive trees compared to Israelis.

 

However, calling themselves chosen people is definitely based on superiority.  

 

Disagree?

 

Let a Jew answer to that.

 

On 10/8/2025 at 10:41 AM, ezzra said:

AND YES, JEWS ARE SUPERIOR TO THE ARAB/MUSLIM RACE IN SO MANY WAYS IT WILL TAKE A WHOLE DAY

TO COUNT.

 

q.e.d.

 

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

   You haven't exposed anything, least of all war crime and crimes against humanity.

 

I didn`t have to. Practically EVERY human rights organization and all the others like Doctors without borders, Amnesty, and the most importantly the International Association of Genocide Scholars have clearly confirmed that Israel is committing a genocide.

 

 

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

On the contrary,  Israel's takeover of land in the former Palestinian mandate is very complicated. Israel couldn't have stolen land from Palestinians that never belonged to Palestinians.  It goes back the question of who owned, rather than just occupied, land in Palestine prior to Israel's Declaration of Independence in 1948. It can't b explained in a few words.  And it is off-topic in terms of this thread.

 

I don`t know how you define land ownership. Maybe not all Palestinians had written documents proving their ownership of the land they were living on but the Jews who migrated to Palestine definitely hade none.

 

Fact is at the beginning of the last century only about 5% of the population in Palestine were Jews, the rest was Christian and the big majority was Muslim.

 

Fact is the Jews migrated to a land where Palestinians were already living and bought about 6% of the land.

 

Fact is when Israel was founded they kicked 750.000 Palestinians out of their homes, where they had been living for generations.

 

They took 56% of the land despite they were only 38% of the population by 1948.

 

They started the war in 1967 and took more.

 

They keep illegally settling on Palestinian land since then.

 

Nothing complicated. It`s ongoing theft. Trying to excuse that by saying it is complicated is like putting lipstick on a pig.

 

 

 

 

On 10/12/2025 at 10:48 PM, JBChiangRai said:

 

Hitler's homosexuality strikes me as irrelevant.

 

I don't mind homosexuals, my boyfriend is one.

 

Great. But it doesn't mean you have to be a Gretard

Where are the women hostages? Are Hamas pretending they are dead? Hamas lovers on here must know? 

4 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Where are the women hostages? 

 

The female hostages who were alive were all released under earlier agreements.  The body of  one dead female  has not yet been released.

38 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

The female hostages who were alive were all released under earlier agreements.  The body of  one dead female  has not yet been released.

are you sure she is dead? 

23 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

are you sure she is dead? 

 

Her family says so.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvl9k4mw8no

7 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Her family says so.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpvl9k4mw8no

Dead but no body, who believes what Hamas says, not me

13 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

Oh please, I am fully aware that Jews do not have these stupid racial theories the moronic Nazis came up with where you can determine from the skeleton or the shape of the skull if someone belongs to the superior race.

 

But calling themselves "God`s chosen people" is clearly pointing out some kind of higher value, or being special and more important to God compared to other not chosen people.

 

Starts with land ownership rights, which God has interestingly only made towards Jewish people and with which the whole land grabbing is justified since decades.

 

By the way, if God, the mightiest being in the universe had promised you that land and you have been living on that land for more than 1000 or so years, then why leave it 2000 years ago?

 

Don`t say Jews have been driven out because if so then why wait 2000 years to come back?

 

Truth is most Jews never left. They stayed and later converted to Christianity and again later to Islam adapting to the political changes of the time and are now called Palestinians.

That`s why Palestinians have more Hebrew DNA than Israelis.

That`s why much less Palestinians are allergic to the indigenous olive trees compared to Israelis.

 

However, calling themselves chosen people is definitely based on superiority.  

 

Disagree?

 

Let a Jew answer to that.

 

 

q.e.d.

 

 

I didn`t have to. Practically EVERY human rights organization and all the others like Doctors without borders, Amnesty, and the most importantly the International Association of Genocide Scholars have clearly confirmed that Israel is committing a genocide.

 

 

 

I don`t know how you define land ownership. Maybe not all Palestinians had written documents proving their ownership of the land they were living on but the Jews who migrated to Palestine definitely hade none.

 

Fact is at the beginning of the last century only about 5% of the population in Palestine were Jews, the rest was Christian and the big majority was Muslim.

 

Fact is the Jews migrated to a land where Palestinians were already living and bought about 6% of the land.

 

Fact is when Israel was founded they kicked 750.000 Palestinians out of their homes, where they had been living for generations.

 

They took 56% of the land despite they were only 38% of the population by 1948.

 

They started the war in 1967 and took more.

 

They keep illegally settling on Palestinian land since then.

 

Nothing complicated. It`s ongoing theft. Trying to excuse that by saying it is complicated is like putting lipstick on a pig.

 

 

 

 

Israel took the land in 1948 because they won a war. A war started by the Arab League and the Palestinians. A true war of genocide, with the express purpose of murdering every Jew in the area and then stealing all their property.

 

Fortunately, the Arab League and the Palestinians lost. So, they lost territory. It wasn't stolen. It was lost by the party that started a war and then got their asses kicked.  There is nowhere for the Palestinians to return home to.  Much like Germany lost WW2 and then lost territory, had the civilians living in those territories kicked out.  

 

Lose a war, lose land.  The way of the world for millenia.

9 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Israel took the land in 1948 because they won a war. A war started by the Arab League and the Palestinians. A true war of genocide, with the express purpose of murdering every Jew in the area and then stealing all their property.

 

Fortunately, the Arab League and the Palestinians lost. So, they lost territory. It wasn't stolen. It was lost by the party that started a war and then got their asses kicked.  There is nowhere for the Palestinians to return home to.  Much like Germany lost WW2 and then lost territory, had the civilians living in those territories kicked out.  

 

Lose a war, lose land.  The way of the world for millenia.

You are mixing things up:

 

There was no Israel until May 48.

 

After more and more Jews had illegally migrated to Palestine and it was clear that there will be no peace between them and the Arabs, the UN decided for the partition into a Jewish state and an Arab state in late 47.

 

The Arabs who had been promised their own country by the Brits if they fight with them against the Ottoman Empire felt betrayed and opposed that partition. The Jews declared their independence and created Israel by taking more land than the partition plan had assigned to them and then the war started. The Arabs wanted their stolen land back, attacked and lost.

 

 About 20 years later, in 1967, the Six-Day War erupted; Israel started it and and occupied the Golan Heights from Syria, the West Bank from Jordan, and the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, later gave back some part of it but still illegally occupy most of it.

 

Your thinking about wars and annexation of land is from the time of William the conqueror and out of date.

 

According to International law at least all land taken after 1967 is illegally occupied and must be given back.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154496

42 minutes ago, Somjot said:

You are mixing things up:

 

There was no Israel until May 48.

 

After more and more Jews had illegally migrated to Palestine and it was clear that there will be no peace between them and the Arabs, the UN decided for the partition into a Jewish state and an Arab state in late 47.

 

The Arabs who had been promised their own country by the Brits if they fight with them against the Ottoman Empire felt betrayed and opposed that partition. The Jews declared their independence and created Israel by taking more land than the partition plan had assigned to them and then the war started. The Arabs wanted their stolen land back, attacked and lost.

 

 About 20 years later, in 1967, the Six-Day War erupted; Israel started it and and occupied the Golan Heights from Syria, the West Bank from Jordan, and the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, later gave back some part of it but still illegally occupy most of it.

 

Your thinking about wars and annexation of land is from the time of William the conqueror and out of date.

 

According to International law at least all land taken after 1967 is illegally occupied and must be given back.

 

https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/09/1154496

The Arabs GOT their own country, called Jordan. Plus there were already many Arab countries in the area. But only one tiny country for Jews, less than 2percent the size of the Arabs. Yet they were even begrudged this small sliver of land. It was unacceptable to the Arabs that the Jews got anything at all, so they launched a war of extermination. 

On 10/10/2025 at 1:30 PM, Evil Penevil said:

 

But why did that hatred extend to Thais, Nepalis, Africans and assorted other non-Jewish foreigners?  Why would anyone laughingly decapitate a wounded Thai worker with a hoe?  

 

Apparently they were off their face on Captagon. This is based on reports from the Israeli government. Its not the first time that the use of stimulants has been associated with war crimes. Captogon was also used by both sides in thr Syrian Civil War, and that has got to be one of the most savage civil wars in modern history. You go way back to the Vikings; the Berserkers were off their tits on magic mushrooms when they went berser.k. During WW2, German troops were issued with effectively crystal meth, called Pervatin. When Lashkar-e-Taiba went on the rampage in Mumbai in 2008, they were found to be on a cocktail of LSD, cocaine and steroids.

 

Generals and terrorist leaders face the same issue; most humans really don't like killing other humans. PTSD is endemic in the British and US militaries during a conflict. Suicide rates are high, because men are haunted by what they saw, experienced, and in some cases, did. Christ knows how screwed up Russian and Ukrainian troops will be when the war is all over. Psychoactive drugs are used to "motivate" troops and fighting men. Those in mental health can relate to the cases of hideous crimes carried out by people off their heads. My mother was a psychiatric nurse, and related to the case of a big bloke, who after smoking various drugs all day, decided to twist off the head of his new born son like he was tearing off a strip of jerky. Couldn't remember a thing afterwards.

 

Use of army amphetamines in Vietnam:

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/04/the-drugs-that-built-a-super-soldier/477183/

 

 

 

Doesn't excuse the evil acts, but explains the ferocity.

On 10/13/2025 at 3:54 AM, JBChiangRai said:

 

I think he had issues, but being gay probably wasn't one of them.

 

He only had one ball. His mother, the dirty bugger, cut it off when he was small. It was displayed in the City hall.

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