"After three days of intense indirect negotiations in Egypt, US President Donald Trump says Israel and Hamas have "signed off on the first phase" of the 20-point peace plan he unveiled last week.

"This means that ALL of the Hostages will be released very soon, and Israel will withdraw their Troops to an agreed upon line as the first steps toward a Strong, Durable, and Everlasting Peace," he posted on social media, without providing further details about what the first phase entails.

It comes two years and two days after the Hamas-led attack on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others taken hostage."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgqx7ygq41o

I suspect the left will still find something to be outraged about. It would take a lot to fill in the void that this war has left ideologically in many peoples minds

The ideological void is in the White House, right next to the intellectual one.

 

Queue rightist "outrage"...

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

The ideological void is in the White House, right next to the intellectual one.

 

Queue rightist "outrage"...

 

   No ceasefire in the war against Donald ?

7 minutes ago, angryguy said:

I suspect the left will still find something to be outraged about. It would take a lot to fill in the void that this war has left ideologically in many peoples minds

 

   I expect the pro Palestinians  will be out celebrating all across Europe this week-end , popping champagne corks and celebrating peace has come to Gaza and the war against Jews, I mean , the war against  Israel is over .

   Singing and dancing euphorically in the streets after realising it wasn't  genocide after all .

   Greta will go back her climate change protests and alot of posters will go back to their national socialist forums where they can hate on Jews with like minded people .

29 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No ceasefire in the war against Donald ?

The insane screams of slobbering and slavering tantrumrage against Trump will never stop. Its an addiction to them.

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I expect the pro Palestinians  will be out celebrating all across Europe this week-end , popping champagne corks and celebrating peace has come to Gaza and the war against Jews, I mean , the war against  Israel is over .

   Singing and dancing euphorically in the streets after realising it wasn't  genocide after all .

   Greta will go back her climate change protests and alot of posters will go back to their national socialist forums where they can hate on Jews with like minded people .

 

Sounds 'bout right Nick.

 

If there is such a thing as a lasting peace, of course.

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

 

Sounds 'bout right Nick.

 

If there is such a thing as a lasting peace, of course.

Never has been, never will.

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 I expect the pro Palestinians  will be out celebrating all across Europe this week-end , popping champagne corks and celebrating peace has come to Gaza and the war against Jews, I mean , the war against  Israel is over .

   Singing and dancing euphorically in the streets after realising it wasn't  genocide after all .

   Greta will go back her climate change protests and alot of posters will go back to their national socialist forums where they can hate on Jews with like minded people .

Six months or so bodies will start turning up. The Mossad never forgets.

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There is no peace deal until it happens, and nothing has happened yet. I doubt that Hamas can uphold the Gaza obligations. 

- Hamas does not have all the hostages alive or dead. Some are held by militant groups like Islamic jihad. Others by criminal gangs who want a ransom to be paid.

- Hamas does not have control over some of the militant groups. There isn't a cohesive representative of Gaza.

- There are unexploded munitions that can and will detonate as people return to their local settlements. People will continue to die and the detonations will be presented as attacks.

- Groups will seek to profit from the aid that will enter. The black market and criminal enterprises will reappear. Building materials  intended for social infrastructure will be diverted to military use again.People will be angry

- 90%+ of  Gaza's water was self sourced, but the aquifier has been over used and is now running dry. Gaza does not have enough water to sustain its large population.

- The population will become restless 6 months from now because they will  expect the world to rush to their  support, and I expect that the promises of aid will be abandoned.

"The war is over".

 

Well, it's been 'over' many times since 1948. And, as many times before, a 'new' version of the '2-state solution' is to be tried. It will fail like the previous almost-attempts.

 

It no longer seems to occur to anyone that the only possible solution is a 1-state solution with peoples of all ethnic & religious origins of the region living together in harmony in a modern democratic state with equal rights for all (as partly & imperfectly already exists in Israel). I don't expect to see that happen in my lifetime ...

 

 

16 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

"The war is over".

 

Well, it's been 'over' many times since 1948. And, as many times before, a 'new' version of the '2-state solution' is to be tried. It will fail like the previous almost-attempts.

 

It no longer seems to occur to anyone that the only possible solution is a 1-state solution with peoples of all ethnic & religious origins of the region living together in harmony in a modern democratic state with equal rights for all (as partly & imperfectly already exists in Israel). I don't expect to see that happen in my lifetime ...

 

 

That is a lovely dream. Unfortunately, I cannot think of any examples of countries that have Muslim majorities and respect the rights of their minority communities, nor that respect womens/LGBT rights.   The only far fetched example would be Malaysia, but even that is debatable. Certainly nowhere in the Middle East or Africa.

 

If the Jews were put into such a country, their fate would be sealed. Which is why they will never allow it.  It is a sad irony that the Arab minority in Israel enjoys greater freedom than the Arab majorities of any countries around them.

26 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

 

It no longer seems to occur to anyone that the only possible solution is a 1-state solution with peoples of all ethnic & religious origins of the region living together in harmony in a modern democratic state with equal rights for all (as partly & imperfectly already exists in Israel). I don't expect to see that happen in my lifetime ...

 

   As long as Palestinians would promise not to kill all the Jews and not to install sharia law or try to banish Jews from the Country .

    Would definitely have to promise with no fingers crossed or anything dodgy like that though

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

That is a lovely dream. Unfortunately, I cannot think of any examples of countries that have Muslim majorities and respect the rights of their minority communities, nor that respect womens/LGBT rights.   The only far fetched example would be Malaysia, but even that is debatable. Certainly nowhere in the Middle East or Africa.

 

If the Jews were put into such a country, their fate would be sealed. Which is why they will never allow it.  It is a sad irony that the Arab minority in Israel enjoys greater freedom than the Arab majorities of any countries around them.

 

You need to bone up on women's rights in your "far fetched" Malaysia.

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Six months or so bodies will start turning up. The Mossad never forgets.

You mean to say an Israeli’s word is worthless?

 

No honour?

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

"The war is over".

 

Well, it's been 'over' many times since 1948. And, as many times before, a 'new' version of the '2-state solution' is to be tried. It will fail like the previous almost-attempts.

 

It no longer seems to occur to anyone that the only possible solution is a 1-state solution with peoples of all ethnic & religious origins of the region living together in harmony in a modern democratic state with equal rights for all (as partly & imperfectly already exists in Israel). I don't expect to see that happen in my lifetime ...

 

 

This ‘Peace Plan’ is not a new version of the 2 State Solution.

 

It makes no commitment to a Palestinian State while imposing foreign rule of Palestine by an unelected body, the members of which have a pro-Israel history.

 

It’s a cease fire.

 

The war will continue at a later date.

 

Those who make much of the importance of independence and sovereignty of their own nation will understand why, though perhaps feign otherwise 

34 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You mean to say an Israeli’s word is worthless?

 

No honour?

Honour was killed off when the Eurotrash first starting killing jews, primarily women and children like the filthy cowards they are, it just took the Jews a while to catch up.

 

Besides, winning is honorable. Losing is dead. Shoes on the other foot now.

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Honour was killed off when the Eurotrash first starting killing jews, primarily women and children like the filthy cowards they are, it just took the Jews a while to catch up.

 

Besides, winning is honorable. Losing is dead. Shoes on the other foot now.

I see you’ve been at Josephus again.

52 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The war will continue at a later date.

The results wont be different.

 

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I see you’ve been at Josephus again.

Which version? The Slavonic?

That should put DJT in line for the NPP next year.   When does Israel start building new settlements for Israelis in Gaza ???  

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The war will continue at a later date.

 

    Measures will be put in place to stop Palestine being able the wage war again .

    The revolution is over .

 

Is this the war that Trump effectively caused when he moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem and ignored Palestine with his so-called Abraham Peace Accords — deals that brought 'peace' to no one actually at war?

Unless he addresses the sovereignty of Palestine, his 'Strong, Durable, and Everlasting Peace' is just another can he’s kicking down the road.

He lit the fire — now he wants a Nobel for calling the fire brigade.

6 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Is this the war that Trump effectively caused when he moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem and ignored Palestine with his so-called Abraham Peace Accords — deals that brought 'peace' to no one actually at war?

Unless he addresses the sovereignty of Palestine, his 'Strong, Durable, and Everlasting Peace' is just another can he’s kicking down the road.

He lit the fire — now he wants a Nobel for calling the fire brigade.

 

   Palestinians need to be kept in a straight jacket for the foreseeable future .

   Gaza will need to become an open air prison with every move being monitored and watched .

Well, both Israelis and Palestinians are extremely trustworthy and reliable peoples, as we have seen from past ceasefires, they always honour it for at least 2 weeks.

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9 hours ago, angryguy said:

I suspect the left will still find something to be outraged about. It would take a lot to fill in the void that this war has left ideologically in many peoples minds

 

 

Give it a rest, angry.

Some of the Palestine prisoners being released from Israela jails 

 

Ibrahim Alkam, the murderer of the Tzur family in 1996, will be released.

Mohammed Abu Tabich, who is one of the responsible Islamic Jihad members for the attack at the Megiddo Junction in which 17 people were killed and 40 were injured, will be released.

Ammar Muhammad Aref Samkhan, a Fatah member who dispatched several suicide terrorists during the Second Intifada, including the horrific attack in Shmuel HaNavi on Bus Line 2, in which 23 people (including 7 children) were murdered and 130 were injured, will be released.

Mouad Badr Abdallah Da’is, a Hamas member who carried out a stabbing attack in the Otniel area on January 17, 2016, murdering Dafna Meir, a mother of six, will be released. He is serving a life sentence.

Muhammad Akel, who was one of the Islamic Jihad terrorists responsible for the suicide bombing at the Karkur Junction in 2002, in which 14 were murdered and 50 injured, will be released.

Baher Bader, who is responsible for a suicide attack in Tzrifin in 2004, a bomb in Tel Aviv, and other serious crimes, will be released. He was sentenced to 11 life sentences.

Fares Ghanem, who was sentenced to 9 life imprisonments for committing 8 murders and many other serious crimes will be released.

Ashraf Hajjajra, who was convicted of transporting the terrorist who carried out the attack in the Yeshivat Beit Yisrael neighborhood in Jerusalem, in which 11 people were killed - including two infants, three children and two teenagers - and 50 were injured, will be released. He became a senior member of Fatah during his imprisonment.

Ahmed Sa'ada, who is responsible for the murder of 11 Israelis in the attack on bus line 20 in Jerusalem in 2002, will be released.

Arafat Zir who was the initiator of the suicide bombing in Atzmon where 4 Israelis were murdered, and recruiter of suicide bombers, will be released.

Mohammad Amran, who was a partner in the “2002 Hebron ambush” in which 12 Jews were murdered and who carried out additional attacks, will be released into the West Bank.

Mohammed Daoud, who murdered Ofra Moses — a pregnant Israeli mother of four — and her 5-year-old son, Tal Moses, will be released.

Jihad Aziz-Roum, who kidnapped the youth Yuri Gushchin from his home in Givat Ze’ev to Ramallah, where he was murdered and tortured, will be released.

Mohammad Nasser Sha’aban Abu Rabea, who is a Hamas operative that carried out a stabbing attack at Gush Etzion Junction on November 19, 2015, killing two Israeli civilians, will be released. He is serving a life sentence.

Ashraf Hanaysha, the Islamic Jihad member who stabbed an Italian tourist to death in Jerusalem in 2006, will be released.

Ahmad Ismail Ahmad Qawassmeh, a Hamas terrorist who murdered Rabbi Shaya Ben David in 2018 near Hebron, will be released. Serving a life sentence.

Mohammad Ziad Ahmad Abu Arefah, a Hamas member who murdered an Israeli farmer in October 2017 in the village of Qasra, will be released. He is serving a life sentence.

Raad Sheikh, a Palestinian policeman who participated in the lynching in Ramallah, will be released.

Nabil Abu Hadir, who was convicted of murdering his sister because she cooperated with the Shin Bet, will be released.

Emad Shahaade, who raped and murdered a teenager, will be released.

Atiya Abu Samhadga, who stabbed and murdered a female Jew, will be released.

 Gefer Alzaatari, a senior Hamas operative who directed several suicide attacks and continued to engage in terrorism even in prison, will be released.

Maher al-Hashlamoun, an Islamic Jihad member who murdered Dalia Lemkus in 2014 and stabbed two other bystanders will be released. He was jailed from 2000 to 2005 after he was convicted of throwing Molotov cocktails at an IDF patrol. He was sentenced to 2 life sentences in 2015.

Musa Tsufan, who murdered his mother because she married a Jew, will also be released. In prison, he attempted to organize the kidnapping of a Jew for bargaining purposes.

Ayham Kamamji, arrested in 2006 and serving two life sentences for his involvement in the attack in which Eliyahu Asheri was kidnapped and murdered in Ramallah, will be released.

Jahad Karim Aziz-Rom, who kidnapped and murdered the boy Yuri Goshzin in 2001, will be released.  Goshzin was kidnapped from his home in Givat Ze'ev to Ramallah where he was murdered and severely abuse

The terrorist who sent the female suicide bomber to carry out an attack on French Hill in 2004 which two individuals were murdered and 33 injured, will be released. He was arrested two years later after attempting another attack.

Hussein Jawadra, who murdered the soldier Eden Atias when he was 16, will be released.

The terrorist who committed the Neve Yaakov attack in 2002 in which a policewoman was killed, and ten Israeli civilians were wounded, will be released.

The head of the military wing of the Islamic Jihad in the Jenin area, Iyad Abu al-Rub,  will be released. He is responsible for multiple suicide bombings, including the one in Hadera in which 6 Israelis were murdered.

Hamdallah Ali, a Hamas senior in the West Bank will be released. He was subordinate to Saleh al-Arouri. He was released as part of the Shalit deal but was recaptured in a maneuver at Shifa Hospital in 2024.

The terrorist trained a Kurd who subsequently stabbed two police officers in 2016, one critically, will be released. He was sentenced in 2018 to 35 years in prison.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Some of the Palestine prisoners being released from Israela jails 

And the one prisoner who could conceivably lead Palestinians forward to live peacefully alongside the Israelis in a two-state solution - namely Marwan Barghouti - remains rotting away in an Israeli prison. The one Palestinian the Israeli right, including Netanyahu, truly fear.

 

Funny that.

47 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Some of the Palestine prisoners being released from Israela jails 

 

Ibrahim Alkam, the murderer of the Tzur family in 1996, will be released.

Mohammed Abu Tabich, who is one of the responsible Islamic Jihad members for the attack at the Megiddo Junction in which 17 people were killed and 40 were injured, will be released.

Ammar Muhammad Aref Samkhan, a Fatah member who dispatched several suicide terrorists during the Second Intifada, including the horrific attack in Shmuel HaNavi on Bus Line 2, in which 23 people (including 7 children) were murdered and 130 were injured, will be released.

Mouad Badr Abdallah Da’is, a Hamas member who carried out a stabbing attack in the Otniel area on January 17, 2016, murdering Dafna Meir, a mother of six, will be released. He is serving a life sentence.

Muhammad Akel, who was one of the Islamic Jihad terrorists responsible for the suicide bombing at the Karkur Junction in 2002, in which 14 were murdered and 50 injured, will be released.

Baher Bader, who is responsible for a suicide attack in Tzrifin in 2004, a bomb in Tel Aviv, and other serious crimes, will be released. He was sentenced to 11 life sentences.

Fares Ghanem, who was sentenced to 9 life imprisonments for committing 8 murders and many other serious crimes will be released.

Ashraf Hajjajra, who was convicted of transporting the terrorist who carried out the attack in the Yeshivat Beit Yisrael neighborhood in Jerusalem, in which 11 people were killed - including two infants, three children and two teenagers - and 50 were injured, will be released. He became a senior member of Fatah during his imprisonment.

Ahmed Sa'ada, who is responsible for the murder of 11 Israelis in the attack on bus line 20 in Jerusalem in 2002, will be released.

Arafat Zir who was the initiator of the suicide bombing in Atzmon where 4 Israelis were murdered, and recruiter of suicide bombers, will be released.

Mohammad Amran, who was a partner in the “2002 Hebron ambush” in which 12 Jews were murdered and who carried out additional attacks, will be released into the West Bank.

Mohammed Daoud, who murdered Ofra Moses — a pregnant Israeli mother of four — and her 5-year-old son, Tal Moses, will be released.

Jihad Aziz-Roum, who kidnapped the youth Yuri Gushchin from his home in Givat Ze’ev to Ramallah, where he was murdered and tortured, will be released.

Mohammad Nasser Sha’aban Abu Rabea, who is a Hamas operative that carried out a stabbing attack at Gush Etzion Junction on November 19, 2015, killing two Israeli civilians, will be released. He is serving a life sentence.

Ashraf Hanaysha, the Islamic Jihad member who stabbed an Italian tourist to death in Jerusalem in 2006, will be released.

Ahmad Ismail Ahmad Qawassmeh, a Hamas terrorist who murdered Rabbi Shaya Ben David in 2018 near Hebron, will be released. Serving a life sentence.

Mohammad Ziad Ahmad Abu Arefah, a Hamas member who murdered an Israeli farmer in October 2017 in the village of Qasra, will be released. He is serving a life sentence.

Raad Sheikh, a Palestinian policeman who participated in the lynching in Ramallah, will be released.

Nabil Abu Hadir, who was convicted of murdering his sister because she cooperated with the Shin Bet, will be released.

Emad Shahaade, who raped and murdered a teenager, will be released.

Atiya Abu Samhadga, who stabbed and murdered a female Jew, will be released.

 Gefer Alzaatari, a senior Hamas operative who directed several suicide attacks and continued to engage in terrorism even in prison, will be released.

Maher al-Hashlamoun, an Islamic Jihad member who murdered Dalia Lemkus in 2014 and stabbed two other bystanders will be released. He was jailed from 2000 to 2005 after he was convicted of throwing Molotov cocktails at an IDF patrol. He was sentenced to 2 life sentences in 2015.

Musa Tsufan, who murdered his mother because she married a Jew, will also be released. In prison, he attempted to organize the kidnapping of a Jew for bargaining purposes.

Ayham Kamamji, arrested in 2006 and serving two life sentences for his involvement in the attack in which Eliyahu Asheri was kidnapped and murdered in Ramallah, will be released.

Jahad Karim Aziz-Rom, who kidnapped and murdered the boy Yuri Goshzin in 2001, will be released.  Goshzin was kidnapped from his home in Givat Ze'ev to Ramallah where he was murdered and severely abuse

The terrorist who sent the female suicide bomber to carry out an attack on French Hill in 2004 which two individuals were murdered and 33 injured, will be released. He was arrested two years later after attempting another attack.

Hussein Jawadra, who murdered the soldier Eden Atias when he was 16, will be released.

The terrorist who committed the Neve Yaakov attack in 2002 in which a policewoman was killed, and ten Israeli civilians were wounded, will be released.

The head of the military wing of the Islamic Jihad in the Jenin area, Iyad Abu al-Rub,  will be released. He is responsible for multiple suicide bombings, including the one in Hadera in which 6 Israelis were murdered.

Hamdallah Ali, a Hamas senior in the West Bank will be released. He was subordinate to Saleh al-Arouri. He was released as part of the Shalit deal but was recaptured in a maneuver at Shifa Hospital in 2024.

The terrorist trained a Kurd who subsequently stabbed two police officers in 2016, one critically, will be released. He was sentenced in 2018 to 35 years in prison.

Take it up with the ‘deal maker’.