1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

It's not accurate for people who lift weights and have more muscle than the average person is right. 

I got BMI 29=and I got 18% fat at the moment

 

97cm waist on my way to 94cm

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I got BMI 29=and I got 18% fat at the moment

 

97cm waist on my way to 94cm

I never weighed more than 180 pounds and when I was 175 and had 4% body fat I was considered overweight 

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Not even sure how accurate that information is.

Some people are muscular. This calculation doesn't take that into account.

For men, the waist circumference is a good indicator I think as that's the last place the fat will disappear. 

Correct, as my usual BMI is 25, and at borderline 'overweight', yet I'm almost the same weight I was when I got out of military boot camp, and not an ounce of fat on me then.  I'm 4-5 kg over weight now.

 

Should be gone by end of November at the latest.  When your stomach measures more than waist or shoulders, time to pay attention 

Just now, KhunLA said:

Correct, as my usual BMI is 25, and at borderline 'overweight', yet I'm almost the same weight I was when I got out of military boot camp, and not an ounce of fat on me then.  I'm 4-5 kg over weight now.

 

Should be gone by end of November at the latest.  When your stomach measures more than waist or shoulders, time to pay attention 

Bmi of 1 is dead

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, the Keto diet can work if you can stick to it, but you'll need to go back to a more normal lifestyle, including carbs, especially fruits and veggies, as the keto isn't really for a long term, as it restricts things your gut needs.

List for all 'Keto approved' foods here: 

https://www.drberg.com/blog/ketogenic-diet-food-list

 

Keto really isn't that limiting to what you can eat, as more than enough for me, as this list, what I would eat, if all available in TH.  Most of the list is.   

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I never weighed more than 180 pounds and when I was 175 and had 4% body fat I was considered overweight 

4 % is extremely low, how did you measure it? 

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

List for all 'Keto approved' foods here:  https://www.drberg.com/blog/ketogenic-diet-food-list

 

Keto really isn't that limiting to what you can eat, as more than enough for me, as this list, what I would eat, if all available in TH.  Most of the list is.   

Yes, when Keto became popular I looked into it, although I stayed lean all my life eating the same way I do now. I had as low as 3% body fat and always had less than 8%. It's higher now but I'm still fairly lean because I rarely cheat. I east a lot of what's on tat list besides the fats. No processed meats besides the occasional hot dog. Deer sausage made from lean pork and venison. 

Just now, Hummin said:

4 % is extremely low, how did you measure it? 

Skin caliper and BIA.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Skin caliper and BIA.

Can't measure so little body fat with those methods. 

 

But any less body fat than 8-10% is extremely well done and takes some effort if you building muscles and healthy being without any drugs or peds

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Can't measure so little body fat with those methods. 

 

But any less body fat than 8-10% is extremely well done and takes some effort if you building muscles and healthy being without any drugs or peds

It can be measured by those and also hydrostatic and dexa scans. They're all fairly accurate. When I was very lean for many years, I had veins in my waist and all over, so very little subcutaneous fat. I was close to what Stallone looked like in Rocky !V, and I never used anything like he did. Just strict eating. It's been harder since  moved here as there wasn't a decent gym around my house until recently, and I eat more rice now, as I'm sure you understand. 

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It can be measured by those and also hydrostatic and dexa scans. They're all fairly accurate. When I was very lean for many years, I had veins in my waist and all over, so very little subcutaneous fat. I was close to what Stallone looked like in Rocky !V, and I never used anything like he did. Just strict eating. It's been harder since  moved here as there wasn't a decent gym around my house until recently, and I eat more rice now, as I'm sure you understand. 

I built a complete gym, and now more sustainable elastic bands available I manage, and booking hotels with gyms primarily when travelling is necessary.

 

As I said anything below 10% takes effort.

 

15% easy, 12 must me dedicated, less than 10 extreme, and 4 is close to temporary competition form

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I built a complete gym, and now more sustainable elastic bands available I manage, and booking hotels with gyms primarily when travelling is necessary.

 

As I said anything below 10% takes effort.

 

15% easy, 12 must me dedicated, less than 10 extreme, and 4 is close to temporary competition form

Sorry 4% is considered peak competition form, and not sustainable, had to double check my previous post 

 

Olympia body fat percentages for professional male bodybuilders are extremely low, often in the range of 3–5% on stage. Some top competitors, like Ronnie Coleman, have claimed to be even lower, though these claims are often not medically possible. Body fat is lower during competition than in the off-season. 

 

Sustainable?

 

No, a body fat percentage of 4% is not sustainable for most people and is considered a level for elite bodybuilders during competition peaks, requiring extreme dieting and exercise. It is dangerously low for long-term health, as essential body fat is around 2-5% for men and 10-13% for women, and a percentage of 4% is extremely difficult to maintain and can lead to negative health consequences. 

Interesting thread...will read your various ideas.

 

11 hours ago, Hummin said:

4 % is extremely low, how did you measure it? 

 

Is there such a thing as "too low" body fat percentage? 

 

Hummin, I posted this at the same time as your last post. Synchronicity. 

 

10 hours ago, freedomnow said:

Interesting thread...will read your various ideas.

 

 

When? Later? 

 

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My daughter tried everything for years - then used a drug (with Doctor and regular blood tests) and weight went down a lot and it has stayed off.  If you are male and exercise, you will gain weight - muscle weighs more that fat. If you starve yourself (over-diet), the body will reduce muscle more that it reduces fat. Fat is stored for when you have an accident or cannot obtain food - as we get older the body does that more because old humans cannot hunt well.  

Sleep more - drink lots of water - and use a modern weight loss drug.  

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Is there such a thing as "too low" body fat percentage? 

 

Hummin, I posted this at the same time as your last post. Synchronicity. 

 

First of all, very difficult to measure body fat lower than 8% and need specific scientific methods to do. 

 

In fat you store water soluble vitamins essential for your immune system, and also getting that low in body fat naturally takes an extreme diet lack of essential nutrients. 

 

Body builders use all kinds of peds and drugs to peak their form, and used months to go down, and then go up again in a few weeks again to healthy level. No bodybuilders stays in competition form year around. For shows out season they are around 10- 12%

 

Fact checking

During the off-season, bodybuilders aim to build muscle by consuming a slight calorie surplus, resulting in a body fat percentage typically between 10-15% for men, while for the competition, they reduce body fat to around 4-7%. This period focuses on muscle growth and recovery, whereas the on-season is dedicated to a strict diet and training to achieve extreme leanness for stage performance. 

9 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Is there such a thing as "too low" body fat percentage? 

 

Hummin, I posted this at the same time as your last post. Synchronicity. 

 

You can have a very low percentage for a time but it should be increased for health. Clarence Bass, who's ideas I followed, kept his at 2.5% for a long time and in single digits all along. Eating clean is how you do it. You body needs about 2-5% for health purposes. The ones who are huge with a very low bodyfat percentage are those who have troubles later. 

11 hours ago, Hummin said:

Body builders use all kinds of peds and drugs to peak their form, and used months to go down, and then go up again in a few weeks again to healthy level. No bodybuilders stays in competition form year around. For shows out season they are around 10- 12%

 

Not sure exactly what they do, but they do sth just before going on stage to tweak it just a bit more.

That's why some of them collapse on stage.

Must be messing with the electrolytes or sth.

 

 

 

Oh, oh Americans. Really you don't know how to eat? Can't lose some weight? Just eat normal like European do! Vegetable, meat, potato or relevant subs. And you're good. You do not need to go into all these diet schemes. Remember you are American and you do NOT believe in science. 

 

Lose weight: Eat a little bit less, drink a lot off water and do basic (yes simple) exercise like walking up and down a staircase. Hungry at night time? Drink water.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Monkfruit at Lotus and Big C. The more, small meals you eat daily, the better chance you won't eat too much in one sitting, and won't be as hungry, along with not storing calories. I've eaten 4-5 a day for 50 years and still keep body fat low, even though I've not been to a gym as many  times as before, until I move back home. Cut down on the fruit servings, as that's quick energy and high in sugar. Keep the rice and potato portions very small. Stay away from drinking any calories and that sugar won't be as  much. Don't eat for 3 hours before you go to bed at night. 

What you are mentioning here is old school and pretty much debunked.

One big meal per day is much better but then again what are we talking about?

The OP wants to lose weight and in your answer you are saying many small meals,that has been proven not to work.

 

10 hours ago, jvs said:

What you are mentioning here is old school and pretty much debunked.

One big meal per day is much better but then again what are we talking about?

The OP wants to lose weight and in your answer you are saying many small meals,that has been proven not to work.

 

 

Yeah, I was thinking the same.

But maybe one per day is too hard. 

I'm thinking to skip breakfast and try two. Longer fasting window and fewer insulin spikes should help. 

 

 

53 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Is there such a thing as "too low" body fat percentage? 

 

Hummin, I posted this at the same time as your last post. Synchronicity. 

 

Please note,there is about a 10% difference between men and women.

Most women's bodies can not function properly under 12% of bodyfat.

 

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, I was thinking the same.

But maybe one per day is too hard. 

I'm thinking to skip breakfast and try two. Longer fasting window and fewer insulin spikes should help. 

 

 

I lost some weight around 3 months ago,for me easy to do.

in the morning I start with 4or 5 friend eggs and cheese,fried in butter of course!

lunch,2 or 3 eggs and some meat and again eggs and meat for supper.

During my diet i only ate twice per day,now working out and being busy i get too hungry and are eating 3 times again.

As little carbs as possible.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Rice is great, but living here you get passed a huge portion, especially if you have a Thai wife or girlfriend.

 

All of what you wrote above sounds pretty good from what I understand about the basic elements of a health diet.

 

But on the rice issue you mention, white jasmine Thai rice -- the default choice here -- is one of the worst things you can eat from a blood sugars perspective, from what I've read. Indian Basmati is much better in that regard, and brown rice is too, but you have to be careful with brown rice as to the source and whether it has elevated arsenic levels depending on where it was grown. Supposedly, riceberry or black Thai rice versions also are better than white Jasmine rice.

 

 

10 minutes ago, jvs said:

What you are mentioning here is old school and pretty much debunked.

One big meal per day is much better but then again what are we talking about?

The OP wants to lose weight and in your answer you are saying many small meals,that has been proven not to work.

 

This was again up to a fact check not many weeks ago I read an new article debunking this one again, and just stating it doesnt matter as long you keep your calories in deficit. It maintaining muscles it is optimal To support muscle protein synthesis, consume  high-quality protein every 3–4 hours, distributing your intake across the day rather than consuming a large amount at one time. An even distribution with protein at each of your main meals is more effective for 24-hour muscle protein synthesis rates compared to a single, unbalanced meal

 

but true you can eat one meal or just as many you want, it would change a thing in the long run if healthy and have no other reason to keep a specific diet for other reasons. 

Live on chia seeds to get weight down

11 hours ago, jvs said:

I lost some weight around 3 months ago,for me easy to do.

in the morning I start with 4or 5 friend eggs and cheese,fried in butter of course!

lunch,2 or 3 eggs and some meat and again eggs and meat for supper.

During my diet i only ate twice per day,now working out and being busy i get too hungry and are eating 3 times again.

As little carbs as possible.

 

 

 

 

That is a carnivore diet. 

You don't eat vegetables, fruits, rice, bread, nothing but meat and eggs and some dairy. 

 

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

This was again up to a fact check not many weeks ago I read an new article debunking this one again, and just stating it doesnt matter as long you keep your calories in deficit. It maintaining muscles it is optimal To support muscle protein synthesis, consume  high-quality protein every 3–4 hours, distributing your intake across the day rather than consuming a large amount at one time. An even distribution with protein at each of your main meals is more effective for 24-hour muscle protein synthesis rates compared to a single, unbalanced meal

 

but true you can eat one meal or just as many you want, it would change a thing in the long run if healthy and have no other reason to keep a specific diet for other reasons. 

I doubt very much that a person who wants to lose weight is really worried about maybe also losing some

muscle?

Two different things ,one is for weight loss the other for maintaining weight.

The longer between meals ,the longer your body will run on reserves. 

Try to avoid insuline spikes also helps a lot.