29 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's patently untrue, if Germany expends 26 million US Dollars to protect synagogues it is reasonable to estimate the cost of protecting synagogues and Chaba Houses in Thailand at around 20 million US Dollars.

 

Again, a figure the Thai tax payer has to bear.

Thailand does not have so many synagogues, google says 7,  compared to Germany's 130   so  it would be logical to assume it has correspondingly lower number of resident Jews.   neither , I imagine does it have so many fanatical anti semites who wish them harm, although some of the many anti jewish  posts on this forum might incline one to think otherwise !  That is until one realises that these posts come from a very small but rather vocal minority of haters

To suggest Thailand has to spend the same amount of money , ie.  $20 million on protecting their jewish community  is clearly  ridiculous 

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

Thailand does not have so many synagogues, google says 7,  compared to Germany's 130   so  it would be logical to assume it has correspondingly lower number of resident Jews.   neither , I imagine does it have so many fanatical anti semites who wish them harm, although some of the many anti jewish  posts on this forum might incline one to think otherwise !  That is until one realises that these posts come from a very small but rather vocal minority of haters

To suggest Thailand has to spend the same amount of money , ie.  $20 million on protecting their jewish community  is clearly  ridiculous 

 

A rather disingenous post, as 20 million dollars is NOT the same as Germany spends on protecting Jewish institutions, as I clarified above Germany spends in the region of 126 million dollars to protect jewish institutions.

 

And it's not just protecting synagogues, but Chabad Houses, Jewish schools, and Jewish Associations of all kinds, usually a religious nature.

 

Indeed the number of synagogues in Thailand is lower than in Germany, which is of course why it is reasonable to estimate 20 million Dollars instead of 126 million Dollars..

 

Again on top of that are the costs Israelis cause with drug use, drug crime and police enforcement, strain on health care.

I am genuinely surprised, shocked even, at the amount of anti Jewish sentiment on this forum ,  on this thread, and  indeed globally 

There are also Yeshiva and Hebrew schools in Thailand, these centres also would require additional police protection, further adding to the tax burden on Thai tax payers caused by the Influx of Israelis.

 

It would appear this is particularly severe in Pai, where talk has been of an "Israeli settement" being formed, due to the emergence of a Chabd House/Synagogue in this area, Israelis buying a lot of land using Thai nominees has caused concerns. 

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

A rather disingenous post, as 20 million dollars is NOT the same as Germany spends on protecting Jewish institutions, as I clarified above Germany spends in the region of 126 million dollars to protect jewish institutions.

 

And it's not just protecting synagogues, but Chabad Houses, Jewish schools, and Jewish Associations of all kinds, usually a religious nature.

 

Indeed the number of synagogues in Thailand is lower than in Germany, which is of course why it is reasonable to estimate 20 million Dollars instead of 126 million Dollars..

 

Again on top of that are the costs Israelis cause with drug use, drug crime and police enforcement, strain on health care.

unbelievable ! I am almost lost for words

5 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I am genuinely surprised, shocked even, at the amount of anti Jewish sentiment on this forum ,  on this thread, and  indeed globally 

 

I am shocked how Israelis are taking over entire communities in Thailand, like in Pai, Ko Phangan, in the way they have done in Palestine way back when.

 

Thailand is still lucky the number of Synagogues is relatively low, and they can still take action to stem the efforts to turn some Thai communities into Israeli communities. However, they will need to take some action. It may be too late for Pai but if strong efforts are made to combat the influx of Israelis now at least the problem will not get worse.

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

where talk has been of an "Israeli settement" being formed,

 

how do you even define "settlement" ?

 

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

A rather disingenous post, as 20 million dollars is NOT the same as Germany spends on protecting Jewish institutions, as I clarified above Germany spends in the region of 126 million dollars to protect jewish institutions.

 

And it's not just protecting synagogues, but Chabad Houses, Jewish schools, and Jewish Associations of all kinds, usually a religious nature.

 

Indeed the number of synagogues in Thailand is lower than in Germany, which is of course why it is reasonable to estimate 20 million Dollars instead of 126 million Dollars..

 

Again on top of that are the costs Israelis cause with drug use, drug crime and police enforcement, strain on health care.

Other than you and a few others on here I don't think there are that many people in Thailand who would wish to harm Jews   You need to stop spewing out this rubbish.  I never had you down as a Jew hater , I do now

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

how do you even define "settlement" ?

when a religious monument appears and schools for only jewish people start popping up? 

 

 

Good question. I understand the concern among locals in Pai stems from the large number of Israeli expats and tourists, as it appears Pai was promoted as place for IDF soldiers to visit to recuperate. So on the one had it is the sheer number of Israelis coming to Pai that is the problem, as they are often young, unruly, consume drugs and break local laws, placing a strain on police and healthcare, but on the other hand it is the permanent nature of the Israeli settlement there, in particular the erection of the Chabad House, which will no doubt be followed by Jewish schools, Yeshivas  and the like, much like the Hebrew school and Yeshivas elsewhere in Thailand.

 

So the sheer number of Israelis and the permanent outgrowths of their permanent settlement, Chabad houses, schools, the purchases of land driving prices up for locals, which are not allowed by Thai law to start with, all these would indicate that Thais fear their own way of life is disrespected and disappearing in a sea of Israeli tourists and settlers.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I am shocked how Israelis are taking over entire communities in Thailand, like in Pai, Ko Phangan,

Why concern yourself its of no consequence to you even if it was true ( which its not)

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Other than you and a few others on here I don't think there are that many people in Thailand who would wish to harm Jews   You need to stop spewing out this rubbish.  I never had you down as a Jew hater , I do now

 

Jewish people are not being harmed in Thailand, it's rather the opposite, they are harming the local way of life and causing harm in Thailand. This ranges from causing additional costs for their Chabad houses and Yeshivas having to be protected by police, at a cost borne by the Thai taxpayer, to disrupting small local communities like Pai with their crime, drugs, and unruly behaviour, purchases of large swathes of land, buliding synagogues etc.

 

Nobody wishes harm on jews or "hates jews", however, the detrimental effects of the overly large influx of Israelis in Thailand are a conern, as Israelis are causing harm to Thailand.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

they can still take action to stem the efforts to turn some Thai communities into Israeli communities.

I cannot wait to hear your suggestions for the (final) solution to this imaginary problem ,  probably earn you a justified lifetime ban from this forum

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Why concern yourself its of no consequence to you even if it was true ( which its not)

 

It is true, and it is a concern because in my own city, Chiang Mai, there is a Chabad House, which is draining police resources for the protection of this synagogue. 

 

Quite apart from this, the fact that Pai is now turning into an Israeli settlement has turned me off Pai, and I don't visit there due to the reports of crime and other issues caused by Israelis in Pai, which is I understand a scenically beautiful and attractive place. But I can't go there because the Israelis have ruined it.

 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Jewish people are not being harmed in Thailand, it's rather the opposite, they are harming the local way of life and causing harm in Thailand. This ranges from causing additional costs for their Chabad houses and Yeshivas having to be protected by police, at a cost borne by the Thai taxpayer,

So who do they need to be protected from?

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

It is true, and it is a concern because in my own city, Chiang Mai, there is a Chabad House, which is draining police resources for the protection of this synagogue. 

 

Quite apart from this, the fact that Pai is now turning into an Israeli settlement has turned me off Pai, and I don't visit there due to the reports of crime and other issues caused by Israelis in Pai, which is I understand a scenically beautiful and attractive place. But I can't go there because the Israelis have ruined it.

for gods sake just stop this rubbish

Just now, Bday Prang said:

 

So who do they need to be protected from?

 

Well obviously because they've created a lot of hatred of Israel due to their land theft in Palestine and the killing of 20,000 children there. So most people dislike them intentionally, to the point some actively want to harm them.

I just looked up the population of Pai.

It's ridiculously low, so it doesn't take much to disrupt the ecosystem of that place. 

 

A place without Israelis is certainly a better place than with. 🙂 

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

all Israeli passport holders are banned entering all of Indonesia. Same as Malaysia.

 

Bliss. 🙂 

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I just looked up the population of Pai.

It's ridiculously low, so it doesn't take much to disrupt the ecosystem of that place. 

 

Well, exactly. That's rather the issue, and why the building of a Chabad house there, the inordinate influx of Israelis in that area, and their documented buying of land using Thai nominees is causing so much concern for locals there. They feel the behaviour of, what often are IDF soldiers on a tour to Laos, is unruly, disruptive and places great strain on poilice forces and health services there.

 

It would not take much to destroy the fabric and nature of Pai, with Synagogues, Yeshivas, Israeli stores and the like.

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Again on top of that are the costs Israelis cause with drug use, drug crime and police enforcement, strain on health care.

Health care is a big one.

Not that they appreciate it of course.

This incident earlier this year one of many where they rampaged in a hospital.

 

https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2956370/thailand-deporting-4-israelis-after-rampage-at-pai-hospital

Four Israeli men are set to be deported after their aggressive behaviour deteriorated into violence in an emergency room at Pai Hospital in Mae Hong Son province in northern Thailand on Sunday.

They have been charged with conspiring to threaten, harass or annoy others.

 

 

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Jewish people are not being harmed in Thailand, it's rather the opposite, they are harming the local way of life and causing harm in Thailand. This ranges from causing additional costs for their Chabad houses and Yeshivas having to be protected by police, at a cost borne by the Thai taxpayer, to disrupting small local communities like Pai with their crime, drugs, and unruly behaviour, purchases of large swathes of land, buliding synagogues etc.

 

Nobody wishes harm on jews or "hates jews", however, the detrimental effects of the overly large influx of Israelis in Thailand are a conern, as Israelis are causing harm to Thailand.

Actually all religions in all countries are to be protected, as that's freedom of speech and creed. This is what separates a dictatorship from democracy. It is the police's job to keep order, and to preserve all manner of thinking.

 

That things are still suppressed here is a problem that will eventually change, as the younger crowd wants western ideals. They've loved them the very minute they were introduced here, and you can't stop the younger crowd forever.

 

Eventually the old school thinking of a backwards country gives way to a more modern way of living. From cars and trucks, to trains , military things, phones, TV's, computers, western foods and everything else that didn't originate here, eventually a real freedom will happen, just as it did in western countries.

 

America is all countries on earth in one place, were everyone eventually had their say, and all cultures are allowed to practice there. Thailand should, and will, adopt this also, as you don't ruin a culture by introducing new ones, but enhance it, old school and new ideas, then let the people decide what they want individually. Thailand wants money from elsewhere, as it helps their economy, and that means allowing productive people in. Just like all nationalities, creeds, and races, some are evil and shouldn't be allowed, but it's a few among the many. Some people make excuses to hate, and even they don't understand why, although it usually starts in childhood.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, exactly. That's rather the issue, and why the building of a Chabad house there, the inordinate influx of Israelis in that area, and their documented buying of land using Thai nominees is causing so much concern for locals there.

And once in they spread out like in the occupied westbank.

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

They have been charged with conspiring to threaten, harass or annoy others.

 

Charged with conspiracy to annoy others??

 

Does this law also adhere to AN members? 😁

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It is true, and it is a concern because in my own city, Chiang Mai, there is a Chabad House, which is draining police resources for the protection of this synagogue. 

Well Chiang Mai is off my list now then.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Actually all religions in all countries are to be protected, as that's freedom of speech and creed. This is what separates a dictatorship from democracy. It is the police's job to keep order, and to preserve all manner of thinking.

 

That's a fine ideal in theory, however, in reality what is happening in a place like Pai is that Israelis are buliding Chabad houses and synagogues, which have led to many Israelis to settle there permanently, and Israelis having peculiar and special demands for education they will create their own Yeshivas and set up their own kosher stores.

 

So in reality the influx of Israelis is actually destroying the fabric and nature of the local way of lif in Pai. Not enhancing it.

 

What is more desirable in Thailand, to nurture and keep the local Thai way of life, or to turn Thai beauty spots into mini Tel Avivs with Chabd houses, Yeshivas, Israeli stores and kosher restaurants?

 

 

Just now, Packer said:

 

Charged with conspiracy to annoy others??

 

Does this law also adhere to AN members? 😁

It was a violent rampage against female nurses who were trying to administer first aid to dying people in the emergency ward.

 

They have no shame.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's a fine ideal in theory, however, in reality what is happening in a place like Pai is that Israelis are buliding Chabad houses and synagogues, which have led to many Israelis to settle there permanently, and Israelis having peculiar and special demands for education they will create their own Yeshivas and set up their own kosher stores.

 

So in reality the influx of Israelis is actually destroying the fabric and nature of the local way of lif in Pai. Not enhancing it.

 

 

We can't tell Thailand what to do. I lived around NYC, which is as multi cultural as any place on earth, and they all get along in a modern world, as hate doesn't last forever, except in individuals.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

So in reality the influx of Israelis is actually destroying the fabric and nature of the local way of lif in Pai

Well Pai is now off my list also.

 

If the Thais don’t act soon I will be off to Bali.

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It is true, and it is a concern because in my own city, Chiang Mai, there is a Chabad House, which is draining police resources for the protection of this synagogue.  

 

   I am quite sure they are private security guards, probably paid for by the Chabad house themselves .

   The security isn't from the Thai Police , its  private security company .

So, its not draining police resources