2 minutes ago, JakeC said:

 

You are paying. Stop lying.

Again, like always, you assume what I'm doing. Providing and helping a girlfriend out isn't paying, and not near the same as purchasing prostitutes. Are you paying for your girlfriends, in all the usernames you use here? Or do you take them out to eat, buy them things, and maybe help if they need money, just as all other men do worldwide with girlfriends, and providing, with wives?

4 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Why did you move to Thailand? 

I wanted to be closer to my Asean Now friends. 🍀

18 minutes ago, Keeps said:

First one was a package of Bangkok/Samui. Myself and a mate originally went to a travel agent with the intention of going to Greece or Spain for a fortnight but the agent talked us into a special offer package deal for Thailand. Glad he did. We both came back a couple of times together as 2 week warriors as we loved Samui.

 

Then I started coming on my own for a couple of weeks twice per year (annual holiday entitlement restricted) before deciding to do a bit longer stay on a career break. Originally a year but dragged it out to two and a half. Made some fantastic friends on Samui during that time and. Many are still there and I see them regularly although I flit around a bit more nowadays. 

 

 

Awesome.

Samui back then was a different place. 
I bet you did well with the Fool Moon type tourist girls. 

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Providing and helping a girlfriend out isn't paying,

Providing her money is paying.

 

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, like always, you assume what I'm doing. Providing and helping a girlfriend out isn't paying, and not near the same as purchasing prostitutes. Are you paying for your girlfriends, in all the usernames you use here? Or do you take them out to eat, buy them things, and maybe help if they need money, just as all other men do worldwide with girlfriends, and providing, with wives?

 

"Providing and helping" a girlfriend IS paying. Is this American exceptionalism again? 😊

You pay to pay. Stop paying to see what happens. 

Genuine relationship you don't have to pay. In fact the woman would refuse to be treated like a prostitute. Wives and mothers of your children exempted.

Girlfriend...not. If you pay, you are p4p.

 

I pay for them, they pay for me. I do not give them money, except for a birthday perhaps.

If I have more, I pay more. If they have more, we share equally. Giving money to a girlfriend is p4p.

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Awesome.

Samui back then was a different place. 
I bet you did well with the Fool Moon type tourist girls. 

 

😊 Aussie girls pay their way. Buy them a drink and they'll buy you one back. Good times 😊

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Please, all of you, keep cool & stop the bickering.

 

 

3 minutes ago, JakeC said:

 

"Providing and helping" a girlfriend IS paying. Is this American exceptionalism again? 😊

You pay to pay. Stop paying to see what happens. 

Genuine relationship you don't have to pay. In fact the woman would refuse to be treated like a prostitute. Wives and mothers of your children exempted.

Girlfriend...not. If you pay, you are p4p.

 

Dating and paying for things isn't paying to play. A girlfriend is a genuine relationship, as many are girlfriends for years, and some never marry. P4P is prostitutes, sexual services.

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

God knows what you are, no point in arguing with us, you will be judged!

 

Who will he be "judged" by? God? Or other forum members? Both? 

7 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Providing her money is paying.

 

No, providing is taking care of someone. Girlfriend, wives, children. P4P is paying cash for sexual services. Some of us don't have to pay for sex. If you treat a woman well, they'll be glad to give you all you need. Some don't understand this and call all women whores, because they never learned the difference.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Dating and paying for things isn't paying to play. A girlfriend is a genuine relationship, as many are girlfriends for years, and some never marry. P4P is prostitutes, sexual services.

 

We have differing opinions and different perspectives. For me, giving money to a girlfriend is P4P. Wives and mothers of your children, you are supporting your family. 

Otherwise you are just giving someone money to stay with you. You can argue all you like. It doesn't change the opinion of those looking at you. You judge others and they judge you. That's how it works.

 

Just now, fredwiggy said:

No, providing is taking care of someone. Girlfriend, wives, children. P4P is paying cash for sexual services. Some of us don't have to pay for sex. If you treat a woman well, they'll be glad to give you all you need. Some don't understand this and call all women whores, because they never learned the difference.

 

Stop it! You are hurting my sides. I remember quite clearly that bar girls would 'take care' and their customers would 'help them' with money. Just nice words to smooth over the reality. 

You write what you write and say what you say to make yourself feel better. That's natural. But that doesn't change the reality that you are paying to keep a woman who isn't even the mother of your children.

 

In a genuine relationship, everything is shared.

Just now, JakeC said:

 

We have differing opinions and different perspectives. For me, giving money to a girlfriend is P4P. Wives and mothers of your children, you are supporting your family. 

Otherwise you are just giving someone money to stay with you. You can argue all you like. It doesn't change the opinion of those looking at you. You judge others and they judge you. That's how it works.

 

This is what AI says, which is rather correct. You look at women differently than I do, which is obvious................No, giving money to a girlfriend is not the same as "p4p," which refers to payment for performance and is often associated with transactional or commercial exchanges. While there are overlaps in the potential negative consequences of transactional money exchanges, giving money to a girlfriend can be for various reasons, such as a gift, a loan, or support during a difficult time, whereas "p4p" implies a direct exchange of money for services or companionship. 

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2 minutes ago, JakeC said:

 

Stop it! You are hurting my sides. I remember quite clearly that bar girls would 'take care' and their customers would 'help them' with money. Just nice words to smooth over the reality. 

You write what you write and say what you say to make yourself feel better. That's natural. But that doesn't change the reality that you are paying to keep a woman who isn't even the mother of your children.

 

In a genuine relationship, everything is shared.

I write what I write because it's the truth. I don't pay my girlfriend, or any others I've ever had, to stay with me. I treat them right so they'll want to stay, and if the future plans don't coincide, you go separate ways, which is how most relationships end. If my girlfriend needs help, I'll help her, and she, and many of the others, helped me also. That is sharing, and it doesn't mean it's about cash.

10 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Samui back then was a different place. 

It truly was. Probably the best 30 months of my entire life. Every, single day was magical. Lamai was predominantly Thai locals and long term stayers with a smidgen of 2 week warriors. Not like Chaweng or Bophut/Maenam which seemed to be purely package tourists. Would still pop to Soi Green Mango once in a while though to see what was happening.

17 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

I bet you did well with the Fool Moon type tourist girls. 

I needed three <deleted>ty sticks to beat them all off.....

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

This is what AI says, which is rather correct. You look at women differently than I do, which is obvious................No, giving money to a girlfriend is not the same as "p4p," which refers to payment for performance and is often associated with transactional or commercial exchanges. While there are overlaps in the potential negative consequences of transactional money exchanges, giving money to a girlfriend can be for various reasons, such as a gift, a loan, or support during a difficult time, whereas "p4p" implies a direct exchange of money for services or companionship. 

 

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Yes, I look at women differently. I see them as equals. therefore i do not try to demean them by offering them money. In fact, I chose from a pool of equals, rather than a poor woman who is dependent on my largesse.

You chose a woman who needed your money and are paying to keep her. These are facts.

 

Do you want to continue with this? It's off-topic, but if you are okay with it we can discuss it all day. You'll still be paying...and I won't.

 

Just now, fredwiggy said:

I write what I write because it's the truth. I don't pay my girlfriend, or any others I've ever had, to stay with me. I treat them right so they'll want to stay, and if the future plans don't coincide, you go separate ways, which is how most relationships end. If my girlfriend needs help, I'll help her, and she, and many of the others, helped me also. That is sharing, and it doesn't mean it's about cash.

 

Sorry...but you pay her. No matter how you spin it. Why would you have to pay a woman who lives rent free and doesn't have to pay any bills? Come on...

 

 

1 minute ago, JakeC said:

Yes, I look at women differently. I see them as equals. therefore i do not try to demean them by offering them money. In fact, I chose from a pool of equals, rather than a poor woman who is dependent on my largesse.

You chose a woman who needed your money and are paying to keep her. These are facts.

They might be your equal, but almost nobody is my equal.

Just now, BritManToo said:

They might be your equal, but almost nobody is my equal.

😊

Just now, JakeC said:

 

Yes, I look at women differently. I see them as equals. therefore i do not try to demean them by offering them money. In fact, I chose from a pool of equals, rather than a poor woman who is dependent on my largesse.

You chose a woman who needed your money and are paying to keep her. These are facts.

 

Do you want to continue with this? It's off-topic, but if you are okay with it we can discuss it all day. You'll still be paying...and I won't.

 

You're again assuming what I do in my life. You have no idea. I have seen women as equals all of my life. I choose women because there is mutual attraction. Money has nothing to do with it. If a girlfriend needs help, I'll help, and they'll reciprocate by cooking a special dinner. Sex happens all the time, with all the women I've been with, and it's never been about turning over cash for services. Don't think you're any different, unless you pay for prostitutes, which I don't. 

22 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Providing her money is paying.

 

Just an excuse to call out others to be the same as you 😄😉 

 

we had this discussion last month, the month before, last year, the year before, ………….. zzzzzzzzz Im a real man, and a real man provide, protect,,,,,

 

AI-oversikt

 

A real man protects, provides, and presides, or perseveres. The concepts of "presiding" involve leadership, stability, and emotional presence, while "persevering" emphasizes resilience and the ability to endure through challenges. The specific phrase often depends on the context, but these three traits are commonly cited as a core set of male responsibilities

3 minutes ago, JakeC said:

 

Sorry...but you pay her. No matter how you spin it. Why would you have to pay a woman who lives rent free and doesn't have to pay any bills? Come on...

 

 

Assuming again. Now you're really acting like malcy. When I met my girlfriend, she was working, and still is, for the government here, and makes as much as her boss does. She lives in a house her dad built, as he has 4, and pays the bills.

11 hours ago, JakeC said:

In fact, I chose from a pool of equals, rather than a poor woman who is dependent on my largesse.

 

It is possible to find a Thai woman with her own money, but that diminishes the dating pool significantly.

It's the exception in Thailand, from my limited experience.

 

And from my experience in the West, people always want to upgrade their lives anyway. So if a woman has a good job, it doesn't mean she won't expect you to splurge on lavish restaurants or lavish vacations. 

 

Or maybe in Thailand, it might be help sending kids to the best private schools. 

 

The more people have, the more they tend to upgrade everything. So I find it hard to believe that it's all good to go and you're never expected to maybe offer support for sending kids to better private schools or anything.

 

Could be, I guess. But one thing I learned on AN is not to fully trust anything anyone says on here. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, JakeC said:

 

😊 Aussie girls pay their way. Buy them a drink and they'll buy you one back. Good times 😊

Well that depends on your age and how attractive you are, or how desperate they are 😉 

5 minutes ago, JakeC said:

Yes, I look at women differently. I see them as equals.

 

That's very original. It's a relief you haven't swallowed the dastardly feminist propaganda whole.

 

How does it work, does she penetrate you also for exactly the same amount of time with a wooden implement or do you prefer to use vegetables?

Just now, fredwiggy said:

You're again assuming what I do in my life. You have no idea. I have seen women as equals all of my life. I choose women because there is mutual attraction. Money has nothing to do with it. If a girlfriend needs help, I'll help, and they'll reciprocate by cooking a special dinner. Sex happens all the time, with all the women I've been with, and it's never been about turning over cash for services. Don't think you're any different, unless you pay for prostitutes, which I don't. 

 

I think it was you assuming...wasn't it?

 

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This is what AI says, which is rather correct. You look at women differently than I do, which is obvious................

 

You accuse others of what you are doing. You assume more than anyone else I have seen here.

 

Now...would you like to stop this? It's off-topic and you are becoming obsessive. Let it go. I'm not going to change my mind. Accept that.

1 hour ago, Stressed Eric said:

I was young, dumb and stupid.

 

I wish I never set foot in this place.

 

Eric.

Well now you are older and even more disillusioned.

 

You also said this

 

 

"That's why I am so rich, because I have always taken care of my customers, even the rude ones.."

 

Something that Thai's need to learn.

 

We have been hearing this cr*p from so many different incarnations over the last few year bob.

 

Why not simply try this moneybags.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's very original. It's a relief you haven't swallowed the dastardly feminist propaganda whole.

 

How does it work, does she penetrate you also for exactly the same amount of time with a wooden implement or do you prefer to use vegetables?

 

 

It works by me doing what I do best and her doing what she does best. That way we cover all bases. We don't have to be exactly the same. We have different skill sets. But people in fake relationships don't have that. They have...arrangements. Often financial.

24 minutes ago, JakeC said:

 

😊 Aussie girls pay their way. Buy them a drink and they'll buy you one back. Good times 😊

 

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Well that depends on your age and how attractive you are, or how desperate they are 😉 

Also, 99% of Aussie women are so god damn ugly they would have to stand their round for anyone to even talk to them and get you totally pi$$ed to even consider shagging them. Then there is the voice and accent.......

Just now, JakeC said:

 

 

It works by me doing what I do best and her doing what she does best. That way we cover all bases. We don't have to be exactly the same. We have different skill sets. But people in fake relationships don't have that. they have...arrangements.

 

Ah, so not real equals then, you only penetrate her? She doesn't penetrate you?