1 minute ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

But it is very very clear to me that a Pardon can only be given for someone that has been convicted of a crime - and usually they are serving a sentence.  A blanket 'free for all' Pardon for as yet unconvicted crimes, is extremely unlikely to be validated by SCOTUS. 

The pardon of Richard Nixon (officially, Proclamation 4311) was a presidential proclamation issued by Gerald Ford, the president of the United States, on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

 

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

A nothing story based on Trump derangement.

 

 

Really?

 

Perhaps you can explain it. Just coincidence that the two prosecutors who write the sentencing memo were put on leave?

 

How about the DoJ prosecutors fired because they prosecuted the 6 Jan '21 terrorists?

 

Or the FBI agents fired because they investigated the 6 Jan '21 terrorists?

 

Or the FBI agents fired because they retrieved the classified documents Trump stole and then lied about returning?

 

Seems to me all the "derangement is in the addled minds of those who see no problem in any of that.

8 minutes ago, Dan O said:

What has the election got to do with this OP? 

Just a basic fact you wont admit yet whinge that others wont accept facts LOL

 

8 minutes ago, Dan O said:

So you agree with the actions taken or feel its not appropriate? 

No idea. Have you seen the termination letters?

3 hours ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

You beat me to the punch.  The OP is Placeholder.

 

I’ve already outed Danderman.  Easiest one to identify was Walker88.  
 

Some have outed me .  I’m on parole.  Difference being I could care less…lol

 

It’s just a matter of time before I upset a snowflake and i’ll return to death row for my execution.

 

 

Oh you clever little boy! That must finally add some meaning to your life.

 

Some people retired their names and closed existing accounts. Later they came back for fun and to address the cult members. who live NOT rent free up Trump's butt.

 

The reappearance of MAGAs, however, are people banned from the site who changed their name and email. For example, there's a little short guy who rides a red Vespa in Pattaya who is one of the banned/returned.

9 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The pardon of Richard Nixon (officially, Proclamation 4311) was a presidential proclamation issued by Gerald Ford, the president of the United States, on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardon_of_Richard_Nixon

 

Good point - but there is a difference.  The Nixon Pardon was issued during the processes of Nixon and his Staff being investigated for Watergate. That is very different for Cheney and the others, who had not even been investigated (yet). 

 

Also, Nixon was Pardoned by Ford for a specific crime (if later convicted) - the activities associated with Watergate. Most of the Pardons issued by Biden were not for any specific crimes - they were blanket Pardons covering any and all possible crimes committed over long periods of time. 

 

Having said that - I think the Ford Pardon was also not strictly valid and should also be cancelled.  

1 hour ago, connda said:

There were some rioters.  And there were some protestors - an activity protected by the First Amendment of the US Constitution¹.  It depended WHERE on the capitol grounds you were that day as well as what you were personally doing.  The rioters should be indicted and prosecuted.  And the sanctions should be within reason.

The problem with Jan 6th is that Leftist dump everyone anywhere near the Capitol, including President Trump, as "rioters", or worse, "insurrectionists." I'm sorry, but when the Capitol police opened the Capitol doors and invited people in, there no longer was a riot in those locations of the Capitol, just peaceful protest.  So rioters should be prosecuted, protestors should be exonerated and their "Witch-hunt" convictions overturned and thrown out.  The prosecutors who engaged in that "Witch-hunt" should now themselves be sanctioned.

1.  Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Not a single one of them had the right to enter the US Capitol. That is breaking the law. I thought you MAGAs were all about law and order?  NOBODY has a 1st Amendment right to enter that building.

 

You would say the same if antifa types stormed the WH and setr up gallows to hang Trump?

 

Every one who entered the WH and beat cops or shat on the floor should have been Babbitized.

 

Mr. Camp Auschwitz should have been turned over to Mossad.

49 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I am sure we will find out soon. Trump's Admin has started the proceedings to have the Pardons overturned on the basis 1. Biden did not personally sign them.  2. Use of the autopen for Pardons under the Constitution is not  an appropriate method.  3. Pardons can only be issued for specific 'Offences' - not as a general exclusion Pardon for all possible offences committed in the past and in the future.   It will take a while because the Dems will delay it as long as possible, and the matter will have to go to the SCOTUS for a final decision.  

"Preemptive pardons should be shot down by the Supreme Court.  Just imagine.  Having a pardon that allows you to commit future crimes.  Even the concept of pardoning someone if they are indicted in the future is a major stretch.  But?  If Preemptive pardons are allow to stand, then like Lawfare, that genie will be out of the bottle and will be wielded by both parties.  Like Lawfare, that genie needs to be stuffed back in the bottle and permanently corked.

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

You assume that the story is the truth. 

 

Corrupting the system of justice? Such a silly thing to say, how cute. 

If news is good  be happy. If news is bad - must be fake news. Hard to debate on that basis.

Reuters is of course a trusted source of news. 

17 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Having said that - I think the Ford Pardon was also not strictly valid and should also be cancelled.  

There is no procedure for cancelling a presidential pardon other than for fraud, eic. (on behalf of the recipient not the President)

Trump and his band of sycophants  have an absolute abhorrence for anything that resembles truth or reality, and if you don't agree with their PUC (parallel universe conclusions), you are out and no longer part of the team. 

40 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Just a basic fact you wont admit yet whinge that others wont accept facts LOL

 

No idea. Have you seen the termination letters?

That wasn't the question either you agree with the action or not as its been reported. 

 

I have never question Trump won the last election. I haven't seen any post claiming he did not. But you constantly like to throw that issue out like people are disputing the election results. 

 

The issue that most have is the manner in which he is conducting himself in the office and his numerous rights infringement and action against the Constitution.

 

You on the other hand would not  acknowledge the election he lost but continue to moan about it even without any facts to back you up or the multitude of cases trump lost try to claim election fraud.

25 minutes ago, connda said:

"Preemptive pardons should be shot down by the Supreme Court.  Just imagine.  Having a pardon that allows you to commit future crimes.  Even the concept of pardoning someone if they are indicted in the future is a major stretch.  But?  If Preemptive pardons are allow to stand, then like Lawfare, that genie will be out of the bottle and will be wielded by both parties.  Like Lawfare, that genie needs to be stuffed back in the bottle and permanently corked.

"Having a pardon that allows you to commit future crimes." ???

43 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Just a basic fact you wont admit yet whinge that others wont accept facts LOL

 

No idea. Have you seen the termination letters?

At sea level water boils at 100 degrees centigrade. That's  a fact. And while it's dubious that your comment is a fact, even if it were, it, just like water's boiling point, is still completely irrelevant to the issue.

33 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Good point - but there is a difference.  The Nixon Pardon was issued during the processes of Nixon and his Staff being investigated for Watergate. That is very different for Cheney and the others, who had not even been investigated (yet). 

 

Also, Nixon was Pardoned by Ford for a specific crime (if later convicted) - the activities associated with Watergate. Most of the Pardons issued by Biden were not for any specific crimes - they were blanket Pardons covering any and all possible crimes committed over long periods of time. 

 

Having said that - I think the Ford Pardon was also not strictly valid and should also be cancelled.  

People who have trouble with reading comprehension should probably avoid discussing legal issues. Here, once again is quote of what Jerry Mahoney wrote. Pay special attention to the part in italics:

"The pardon of Richard Nixon (officially, Proclamation 4311) was a presidential proclamation issued by Gerald Ford, the president of the United States, on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president."

So the legal case could be simply what has the President the power to 'declare'.

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

A nothing story based on Trump derangement.

 

 

typical answer from the maga cronies

Donald Trump’s “Four Ds”: Deny, Deflect, Delay, and Don’t Write — A Playbook for Erosion of Accountability

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Wrong poll.

 

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/forecast-for-democratic-party-renewal

 

You got nothing

we do got something buddy,  maybe will make you read twice before posting non sense, but knowing your type of answers and your history of constant denial when things don't fit your narrative, quite sure you will call it fake news

Poll: 60% of Americans disapprove of how Trump is handling the economy — a new high

https://www.yahoo.com/news/article/poll-60-of-americans-disapprove-of-how-trump-is-handling-the-economy--a-new-high-191434761.html

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

still completely irrelevant to the issue.

the ermination letters are irrelevant. Got it.

Just now, Yagoda said:

Oh look, giant bold font. The message board version of the spittlespewing scream of the losing party

you do lack originality but keep trying, you may get there and grow a pair

1 hour ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I dont think a POTUS can revoke a Pardon under the Constitution - but that has never been tested either. Maybe they will also try that approach if their attempt to invalidate the Pardons fail. Whatever happens, going forward the whole process and procedures about POTUS Pardons is going to be addressed.

 

But it is very very clear to me that a Pardon can only be given for someone that has been convicted of a crime - and usually they are serving a sentence.  A blanket 'free for all' Pardon for as yet unconvicted crimes, is extremely unlikely to be validated by SCOTUS.  

 

The exact words are - "The President... shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment." 

 

Actually, the Alexander Hamiltons touched upon the issue of the pardon in the Federalist Papers.

“Humanity and good policy conspire to dictate, that the benign prerogative of pardoning should be as little as possible fettered or embarrassed... The criminal code of every country partakes so much of necessary severity, that without an easy access to exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt, justice would wear a countenance too sanguinary and cruel.”

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed74.asp?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Look at paragraph 3.

 

At any rate, for better or for worse, it doesn't look like he agrees with you. 

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

the ermination letters are irrelevant. Got it.

Once again, relevancy confounds you.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh look, giant bold font. The message board version of the spittlespewing scream of the losing party

instead of whining check the links and you will see the links originally are in bold characters not my creation, take the time to read and educate yourself before whining, in other words, man up

5 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

'mob of rioters

 

What rioters?

 

Just a bunch of scholar-athletes out practicing parkour.

 

 

And the ladies auxiliary doing macrame!

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

the ermination letters are irrelevant. Got it.

You still cant accept facts and avoid any position that doesn't support the ignorant position and actions of the nassacistic megalomaniac sitting in the whitehouse

2 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

What rioters?

 

And the ladies auxiliary doing macrame!

 

 

 

They were really changing "Dang Mike Pence." Or maybe, because he's so hot, "Bang Mike Pence"?

7 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You still cant accept facts and avoid any position that doesn't support the ignorant position and actions of the nassacistic megalomaniac sitting in the whitehouse

Quite the screech there. Not to provoke another tantrum, have you seen the termination letter?

6 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

They were really changing "Dang Mike Pence." Or maybe, because he's so hot, "Bang Mike Pence"?

 

In that case, they were chanting "Hung Mike Pence!"

4 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Have you ever considering not shooting off your mouth before consult the facts first? Just asking. And by the way, even Rasmussen has him at -8%.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating

 

https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin

So you’re saying he’s a big improvement over Biden.

 

Agreed.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/24/joe-bidens-approval-ratings/pp_2024-4-24_biden-trump_4-01/

 

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Quite the screech there. Not to provoke another tantrum, have you seen the termination letter?

Never asked about any termination letter did I?  But you cant answer simple question when it doesn't agree with your twisted idiotic position to support your agenda. 

 

So either you support the actions outlined in the article or you dont. Its obvious you support it due to your lack of ability or refusal to answer.

 

So we have the answer in your non response, you agree its acceptable to punish people doing their jobs and being honest if it goes against trumps directives and policy position. 

 

Got it load and clear. 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

we do got something buddy,  maybe will make you read twice before posting non sense, but knowing your type of answers and your history of constant denial when things don't fit your narrative, quite sure you will call it fake news

Poll: 60% of Americans disapprove of how Trump is handling the economy — a new high

https://www.yahoo.com/news/article/poll-60-of-americans-disapprove-of-how-trump-is-handling-the-economy--a-new-high-191434761.html

So…not as bad as Biden.   Agreed.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/economy-opinion-poll-2023-07-30/