54 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

Why do you feel a compulsion to quote people who have been discredited by actual  reputable scientists who have made a contribution to the progress of medicine.

Because these people mistrust the medical establishment.

So being discredited by the medical establishment is a badge of honor.

It means their theory is automatically correct if they are being suppressed by the medical establishment.

Although they fail to acknowledge that a rogue scientist can sometimes be wrong or a quack or a fraud.

 

1 hour ago, jaywalker2 said:

Your mistake is your failure to recognize that germ theory succeeded because it led to the cure of diseases. Nobody has ever been cured of anything by terrain theory. Beauchamp's theory of microzymas led nowhere. Germ theory on the other hand led to the development of antibiotics and the cure of legions of diseases including syphillis, which had been the scourage of the Western world. It's amazing to me that some people actually want to return to the dark ages. Let's resume blood letting as well! And the theory of the four humors! Or maybe disease is actually caused by demonic beings.

 

So you didn't read the article, as expected and acknowledged.

 

I must confess I am envious of members of the Omniscience Club: one of the perks of this exclusive membership is the uncanny ability to comment emphatically on material without the need to acquaint oneself with it beforehand.

27 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Because these people mistrust the medical establishment.

So being discredited by the medical establishment is a badge of honor.

It means their theory is automatically correct if they are being suppressed by the medical establishment.

Although they fail to acknowledge that a rogue scientist can sometimes be wrong or a quack or a fraud.

 

 

It is more subtle than that. Few things can actually be presented in a dichotomous manner. Nuance is essential at all times.

51 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

'Nonsense' is a subjective and questionable concept to say the least. What is 'nonsense' today may not be tomorrow.

 

Do you think the Covid vaccine saved millions of lives?

Absolutely wrong....  some science 'facts' are found to be false.... but that is not common.  Earthlings will never prove that the sun is not the center of the solar system and that Earth is indeed hurtling through space along its orbit.  It is true now and will be for a long time.  At some point in the distant future that will not be true.... but science has already predicted why and roughly when.  It won't become NOT true because of an oversight or error.  So.... your 'feeling that you're not on a planet zooming around the sun' is NONSENSE and that says plenty about your abilities or lack therof.

 

 

25 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

It is more subtle than that. Few things can actually be presented in a dichotomous manner. Nuance is essential at all times.

LOL.... what  crock.... there is no nuance about gravity or the nature of the solar system.

31 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

So you didn't read the article, as expected and acknowledged.

 

I must confess I am envious of members of the Omniscience Club: one of the perks of this exclusive membership is the uncanny ability to comment emphatically on material without the need to acquaint oneself with it beforehand.

Hmmmmm.... are you upset because he took a page from your playbook?

59 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Right, so I assume you watched Peter McCullough's Congress testimony about the Covid vaccine and have taken it into account to refine your view? Or have his findings 'not found to be relevant'?

the later.  Because a tiny minority have a differing opinion does not weaken the strength of the vast majority's findings.  Testimony has no value without studies to back it up.  

 

McCullough is associated with reseaprojournals which has a very poor reputation.  You seem drawn to the low quality efforts.  Have you ever questioned why that is?

 

Indicators of Reseapro's low reputation

• Broad scope: The journals cover almost every discipline in a single publication, which is not a practice of reputable journals, as an editorial board cannot have expertise across so many fields.
• Rapid publication claims: The claim of rapid peer review and publication is a major red flag, as it suggests that quality and scientific integrity are being sacrificed for speed.
• Lack of transparency: While Reseapro states it is a publishing group, its claims of "rigorous, fair peer review" are often disputed by the academic community, which questions its practices.
• High cost to publish: The publisher charges authors to publish their work, which is a common characteristic of predatory journals, as it incentivizes accepting papers regardless of quality to generate revenue.
• Poor quality: There are complaints about grammatical errors in their publications, suggesting a lack of quality control. 

2 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

How was smallpox eradicated? And polio? Please explain if it wasn't the vaccines. Also how is it that measles has made a reappearance as the number of vaccinated decreases. Why was it that measles reappeared in Samoa, where the percentage of vaccinated had fallen below 40 percent, and not in any other countries in the area? Please explain.

Please refer to Dr S Humphries for a comprehensive answer.

 

www.dissolvingillusions.com

 

Smallpox, measles and polio have not gone anywhere. All three are illnesses linked to poisoning of one sort or another. They have not however, been lessened by vaccines.

 

Nature is us. We are nature.

 

 

 

40 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

the later.  Because a tiny minority have a differing opinion does not weaken the strength of the vast majority's findings.  Testimony has no value without studies to back it up.  

 

McCullough is associated with reseaprojournals which has a very poor reputation.  You seem drawn to the low quality efforts.  Have you ever questioned why that is?

 

Indicators of Reseapro's low reputation

• Broad scope: The journals cover almost every discipline in a single publication, which is not a practice of reputable journals, as an editorial board cannot have expertise across so many fields.
• Rapid publication claims: The claim of rapid peer review and publication is a major red flag, as it suggests that quality and scientific integrity are being sacrificed for speed.
• Lack of transparency: While Reseapro states it is a publishing group, its claims of "rigorous, fair peer review" are often disputed by the academic community, which questions its practices.
• High cost to publish: The publisher charges authors to publish their work, which is a common characteristic of predatory journals, as it incentivizes accepting papers regardless of quality to generate revenue.
• Poor quality: There are complaints about grammatical errors in their publications, suggesting a lack of quality control. 

 

So you haven't watched his testimony and rely on a third party to tell you what is or is not worthy of watching.

 

Don't tell me that isn't true, you have just done a lazy AI copy/paste.

44 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Hmmmmm.... are you upset because he took a page from your playbook?

 

I have read the article in question. Have you?

47 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Absolutely wrong....  some science 'facts' are found to be false.... but that is not common.  Earthlings will never prove that the sun is not the center of the solar system and that Earth is indeed hurtling through space along its orbit.  It is true now and will be for a long time.  At some point in the distant future that will not be true.... but science has already predicted why and roughly when.  It won't become NOT true because of an oversight or error.  So.... your 'feeling that you're not on a planet zooming around the sun' is NONSENSE and that says plenty about your abilities or lack therof.

 

 

 

Do you think the Covid vaccine saved millions of lives?

14 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, but the point is your pal is disregarding ALL medical interventions as either completely useless or harmful or both.

 

No he is not 'disregarding ALL medical interventions as either completely useless or harmful or both'. 

There is a place and a need for medicines, surgery and of course for immediate treatment in acute life-endangering situations. 

However, medicines and most surgery are as good as always treatment of the symptoms (which in case of urgency can be necessary). 

What Mump is advocating is that your body is very resilient, but that it needs the right conditions and inputs to do its job.  And that suppressing symptoms is not a long-term solution towards preserving or improving your health.    

 

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Because these people mistrust the medical establishment.

So being discredited by the medical establishment is a badge of honor.

It means their theory is automatically correct if they are being suppressed by the medical establishment.

Although they fail to acknowledge that a rogue scientist can sometimes be wrong or a quack or a fraud.

 

The simplicity of your statement defies any reasonable response.

Looks like you can only think in 'black or white' and any nuance is banned from your worldview.  

 

13 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

No he is not 'disregarding ALL medical interventions as either completely useless or harmful or both'. 

 

No, he was.

He dismissed antibiotics in a previous post.

And he claims the body can always fight off infections on its own. It cannot.

 

24 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

No, he was.

He dismissed antibiotics in a previous post.

And he claims the body can always fight off infections on its own. It cannot.

 

I am advocating to only use antibiotics (or any other medical interventions) in case of urgent necessity.  

And then combining it with intake of probiotics (like kefir) as Rattlesnake suggested will limit its adverse effects.  

Unfortunately many doctors are no more than simple 'symptom-suppressors' and routinely prescribe antibiotics on a Just-in-case / you-can-never-be-safe-enough basis, with total disregard of its adverse effects or use of natural remedies that strengthen or restore the body's resilience.

 

14 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

I am advocating to only use antibiotics (or any other medical interventions) in case of urgent necessity.  

And then combining it with intake of probiotics (like kefir) as Rattlesnake suggested will limit its adverse effects.  

Unfortunately many doctors are no more than simple 'symptom-suppressors' and routinely prescribe antibiotics on a Just-in-case / you-can-never-be-safe-enough basis, with total disregard of its adverse effects or use of natural remedies that strengthen the body's resilience.

 

 

Yes, but that's not what Stiddle Mump believes.

You missed his post? Go back and read it.

 

You guys are using the Covid situation to make sweeping generalizations like "all white coats should be wiped off the face of the earth".

 

Have you ever met an obese person? Take a walk in the bar areas in any tourist zone in Thailand. You'll see a bunch of obese guys sitting in bars smoking and drinking all day.

 

You need to understand that for these types of people,  they will never take care of their health. So popping pills is all they got. So the "white-coats" and pharmaceuticals serve a purpose for a large segment of society.

 

If you have the discipline to stay healthy and wean yourself off meds, good for you.

Many people don't.

 

Please stop wishing the entire pharmaceutical industry to pack its bags and disappear in every post. You are disregarding the responsibility people have to take care of their own health, which many people don't do. Just pointing the finger at the pharmaceutical industry and doctors is not genuine.

 

And please try to show some respect. The guy who invented antibiotics probably stayed up late so many nights that his wife divorced him. Just to save your a** in case of an emergency. Maybe think of it that way.

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

So you haven't watched his testimony and rely on a third party to tell you what is or is not worthy of watching.

 

Don't tell me that isn't true, you have just done a lazy AI copy/paste.

I read his testimony... it's available online.  I checked the studies he was involved in.  I didn't find any that were peer-reviewed of published in journals with solid reputations.  Congressional testimony is just opinions given without substantiation.... but you are willing to give all opinions equal consideration.... a flaw that discerning minds don't suffer.

 

AI is very useful and most often correct.  Much more dependable than unsupported opinions found in questionable nooks and crannies on the internet.  You're just a pack rat collecting shiny postings on the internet that are of no value.

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Do you think the Covid vaccine saved millions of lives?

My opinion is of little value to you.... If you really want it, you can buy it with legitimate answers to the many questions I have asked you.  You have not answered any.

 

You clearly have no ability to understand why some opinions are valuable and some aren't.

 

As a down payment... answer this one from a previous topic:  why is the raw hospitalization data of no use in a study attempting to show causation?

33 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

I am advocating to only use antibiotics (or any other medical interventions) in case of urgent necessity.  

 

FYI -- RFK Jr wants to ban some foods: 1) low fat milk and remove restrictions on full-fat raw milk 2) farmed salmon 3) processed fake cheese and 4) deli meats which have carcinogens

 

So things may be moving in a better direction. Less crap foods = better health

 

16 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

...

You guys are using the Covid situation to make sweeping generalizations like "all white coats should be wiped off the face of the earth".

 

Do take a look in the mirror.

Sweeping generalizations and false dichotomy's are your trademark, as it seems all nuance is lost on you.   

As well as your strange habit to defend the undefendable.  

 

5 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Do take a look in the mirror.

Sweeping generalizations and false dichotomy's are your trademark, as it seems all nuance is lost on you.   

As well as your strange habit to defend the undefendable.  

 

 

There's no nuance in Stiddle Mump's posts.

 

He has cleary discredited ALL medical interventions as quackery, claimed the body can heal itself in every situation without the need for medical intervention, illnesses don't exist, and wished the white-coats off the face of the earth.

 

Funny because he supports your Covid views, you have never criticized any of his posts.

 

39 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

There's no nuance in Stiddle Mump's posts.

He has cleary discredited ALL medical interventions as quackery, claimed the body can heal itself in every situation without the need for medical intervention, illnesses don't exist, and wished the white-coats off the face of the earth.

Funny because he supports your Covid views, you have never criticized any of his posts.

 

You are right that I do not criticize @Stiddle Mump's posts.  

But there is no need for that as in the overwhelming majority of cases we are on same page.  

He often gets a heavy load of critique on his writings.  Obviously that's the fate of anyone that has a stance which is the opposite of the 'accepted narrative'.  

35 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

You are right that I do not criticize @Stiddle Mump's posts.  

But there is no need for that as in the overwhelming majority of cases we are on same page.  

He often gets a heavy load of critique on his writings.  Obviously that's the fate of anyone that has a stance which is the opposite of the 'accepted narrative'.  

Your narrative is crap and based on your and Mump's weird agenda.......😒

12 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

You are right that I do not criticize @Stiddle Mump's posts.  

But there is no need for that as in the overwhelming majority of cases we are on same page.  

He often gets a heavy load of critique on his writings.  Obviously that's the fate of anyone that has a stance which is the opposite of the 'accepted narrative'.  

 

Going against the accepted narrative doesn't make you automatically correct.

BOTH narratives are flawed.

They Covid narative is flawed, but it doesn't mean anti-biotics are bs and it doesn't mean they "put down" elderly people

It doesn't mean you can spout whatever you want.

And you have your other friend over there quoting Moses. Yeah, good luck with that. 

 

12 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

He often gets a heavy load of critique on his writings. 

 

You guys are obsessed with vaccines.

Vaccines is not the biggest problem.

The biggest problem is poor diets which are making people sick.

 

If they ban meat, then be afraid. Be very afraid. These vegan diets mixed with processed foods is a sure recipe for illness and having to rely on meds half your life. 

 

That's what I am afraid of the most -- banning of meat in the name of climate change.

 

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Please refer to Dr S Humphries for a comprehensive answer.

 

www.dissolvingillusions.com

 

Smallpox, measles and polio have not gone anywhere. All three are illnesses linked to poisoning of one sort or another. They have not however, been lessened by vaccines.

 

Nature is us. We are nature.

 

 

 

As I noted before, you are clearly incapable of debating this topic. All you can do is reference a self-published work by a failed doctor turned homeopathist. And that's your scientific evidence.

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

No he is not 'disregarding ALL medical interventions as either completely useless or harmful or both'. 

There is a place and a need for medicines, surgery and of course for immediate treatment in acute life-endangering situations. 

However, medicines and most surgery are as good as always treatment of the symptoms (which in case of urgency can be necessary). 

What Mump is advocating is that your body is very resilient, but that it needs the right conditions and inputs to do its job.  And that suppressing symptoms is not a long-term solution towards preserving or improving your health.    

 

That's not what he's advocating. What he's saying is that no diseases are caused by external bacteria or viruses y. That all disease arises from the mutation of microscopic entities (which have never been found) reacting to changes in the internal balance of the body. There, does that sound like 19th century gobbledygook? Well, it should because that's what it is. And of course the body is resilient -- it has an immune system. Referring to the "terrain" of the body says aboslutely nothing concrete at all.

 

 

 

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

So you didn't read the article, as expected and acknowledged.

 

I must confess I am envious of members of the Omniscience Club: one of the perks of this exclusive membership is the uncanny ability to comment emphatically on material without the need to acquaint oneself with it beforehand.

Why should I read an article by some obscure author on Substack? You can either argue your point of view or not. And so far you haven't demonstrated that you can.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

You guys are obsessed with vaccines.

Vaccines is not the biggest problem.

The biggest problem is poor diets which are making people sick.

 

If they ban meat, then be afraid. Be very afraid. These vegan diets mixed with processed foods is a sure recipe for illness and having to rely on meds half your life. 

 

That's what I am afraid of the most -- banning of meat in the name of climate change.

 

Some food for thought.

 

Part of the big plan- as I see it - is controlling the food. The UK does not produce enough food for its populace. Quite a bit short in fact. What happens when there is no food in the supermarkets? A big rush off to the local farm, only to get a shock when it's a mass of solar panels. Or rewilded.

 

I have written extensively about the importance of nutritious food. That, the average diet, is so lacking in essential nutrients that it's a wonder it's even called food. We have a chemical metabolism need for around 60 minerals. All play their part in protecting us and keeping us in balance. Some fast foods have NONE.

 

Farms have been given the 'yield' thumbs up, while actual 'quality' is often not considered as an essential.

 

Over the last 50 ears (especially) the importance of nutritious food has gradually been ignored. We have actually sent food way down the priority list of need. It has been grossly undervalued.

 

But enough about food. The flip side of the health coin is poison. From DDT, that caused misery and death to millions (IMO), to mRNA jabs that violate the premier rules of nature.

 

Much of the toxicity that is routinely encountered is dealt with in real time. Prolonged nutritious food intake, with its minerals, fibre and vitamins sees to that. and I said I wouldn't mention food again. Sorry.

 

If one loves nature; one loves oneself.

15 minutes ago, jaywalker2 said:

As I noted before, you are clearly incapable of debating this topic. All you can do is reference a self-published work by a failed doctor turned homeopathist. And that's your scientific evidence.

I'll debate any subject on health Sir.

 

Let's get to it.