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Trump says Russia wants Ukraine to Succeed!

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At times Zelensky looked exasperated - like when Trump made light of a profoundly important negotiation by talking about the Mar-a-Lago food and the physique of the Ukrainian leader's generals. Playground stuff.

 

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There was a memorable moment when Zelenskyy's poker face fell away. He shrugged, then laughed as Trump said: "Russia wants Ukraine to succeed."

What a profoundly stupid thing for the American president to say. Look at Vladimir Putin's actions. Listen to his words.

It's hard to know sometimes whether Trump is just ignorant, tuned out of the detail, or actually in Putin's pocket. Zelenskyy probably has a view but managed, just, to hold his decorum.

 

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The most articulate moment from the meandering and confused news conference came from Zelenskyy when he charted progress with percentages.

He said:

"20-point peace plan, 90% agreed"

"US-Ukraine security guarantees, 100% agreed"

"US-Europe-Ukraine security guarantees, almost agreed"

So, that confirms Zelenskyy has accepted US commitments on security guarantees but shows that more work is required to pin down some elements in US-Europe security co-operation.

That's key because it involves the prospect of European troops on the ground in Ukraine. It's a Russian redline - and Trump knows that.

It's easy to get lost in all this: the progress, the positions, the multi-point plans and the spin.

 

It's easy to get lost in multi-point plans and spin - but Zelenskyy's reaction to Trump said it all

 

But remember a few fundamentals. First, Trump may want this war to end, but he doesn't care how it happens. Second, Putin has shown no genuine signals that he wants the war to end. Third, Ukraine doesn't want to be forced into a subjugating surrender.

 

 

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  • Briefly Grok is there any push back by the US public around such alarming comments by their US president? Grok: Yes, there has been notable push back from US critics, media

  • I'd remind people that the US PROMISED to protect Ukraine in exchange for giving up their nuclear arsenal except no one cares about the "word" given by the government.

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Imagine the dirt that Trump has on Z and his cohorts - they know where all the bodies are buried and can bury him if the want. Trump has all the cards. 

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2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Imagine the dirt that Trump has on Z and his cohorts - they know where all the bodies are buried and can bury him if the want. Trump has all the cards. 

Reads like you've been reading to many "Who done it's".....😒

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Nobody wants a corrupt failed state with a serious Nazi problem on their border. Especially one riddled with CIA bases and with a US VP deciding who can be the countries no1 prosecutor. Anybody would be outraged - in this case its the Russians. 

 

Wow, you really outdid yourself this time, Sunny. You really and truly are one of Trump's 5th Avenue guys!:clap2:

2 hours ago, Palatus said:

 

Briefly Grok is there any push back by the US public around such alarming comments by their US president?


Grok: Yes, there has been notable push back from US critics, media outlets, and social media users. Articles and posts describe Trump's remarks as "embarrassing", "demented", and indicative of him being a "colossal moron" or "sucker for Putin", with widespread sharing of critical commentary online and in reports.

 

Grok? Haha. You drive a tesla too? Please try and find a more accurate AI slop provider.

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9 minutes ago, bannork said:

At times Zelensky looked exasperated - like when Trump made light of a profoundly important negotiation by talking about the Mar-a-Lago food and the physique of the Ukrainian leader's generals. Playground stuff.

 

Zelensky.jpg.561149ccf1880182129f50a9af1bf920.jpg

 

There was a memorable moment when Zelenskyy's poker face fell away. He shrugged, then laughed as Trump said: "Russia wants Ukraine to succeed."

What a profoundly stupid thing for the American president to say. Look at Vladimir Putin's actions. Listen to his words.

It's hard to know sometimes whether Trump is just ignorant, tuned out of the detail, or actually in Putin's pocket. Zelenskyy probably has a view but managed, just, to hold his decorum.

 

ohmy!.jpg.603f10e0fba16e84d024999d48d709cf.jpg

 

 

The most articulate moment from the meandering and confused news conference came from Zelenskyy when he charted progress with percentages.

He said:

"20-point peace plan, 90% agreed"

"US-Ukraine security guarantees, 100% agreed"

"US-Europe-Ukraine security guarantees, almost agreed"

So, that confirms Zelenskyy has accepted US commitments on security guarantees but shows that more work is required to pin down some elements in US-Europe security co-operation.

That's key because it involves the prospect of European troops on the ground in Ukraine. It's a Russian redline - and Trump knows that.

It's easy to get lost in all this: the progress, the positions, the multi-point plans and the spin.

 

It's easy to get lost in multi-point plans and spin - but Zelenskyy's reaction to Trump said it all

 

But remember a few fundamentals. First, Trump may want this war to end, but he doesn't care how it happens. Second, Putin has shown no genuine signals that he wants the war to end. Third, Ukraine doesn't want to be forced into a subjugating surrender.

 

 

Please, please USA, as soon as possible, get rid of the clown pretending to be your leader........😧

47 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Occasionally I wonder if those few propagandists here are just stupid or is Russia paying them?

I don't think Russia is even paying him! :laugh:

At least the little fella is making zillion times more money now than those days.

 

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5 minutes ago, Autocan said:

At least the little fella is making zillion times more money now than those days.

 

 

Is that the best you can come up with on behalf of Trump/Putin??🤣

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7 minutes ago, Autocan said:

At least the little fella is making zillion times more money now than those days.

 

Is that all you've got, would you like me to show you Ronald Reagan's previous employment, a nice guy, but was a cowboy, many times............🤫

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For some bizarre reason Trump continues his love affair with King Vlad and continues to give the Zelensky the short side of the stick. 

 

"In almost every case, the sanctions were imposed with Trump complaining about it and saying we were being too hard," his former national security adviser John Bolton said on Newsmax some time ago. 

 

He fomented discord at home, advancing Putin's objective of sapping American resolve. "Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people," his former Defense Secretary James Mattis said in 2020.

 

Prior to the election all of his supporters knew that he adored dictators and despots and he had a lack of affection for democratically elected leaders, but did anybody guess that it would be this bad, so soon? 

 

Trump is a clear and present danger to the security of both the United States and the Free World and he must be stopped. The Senators and Congress members of his own party and the Democratic party must stand up and defend freedom and rational thinking, against this insane goon. 

13 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Is that the best you can come up with on behalf of Trump/Putin??

 

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Is that all you've got, would you like me to show you Ronald Reagan's previous employment, a nice guy, but was a cowboy, many times...

 

Gentlemen,

Please. My post was in no way derogatory. Have you ever tried playing the piano, or any other instrument for that matter, with your dingdong?

 

The little fella is undoubtedly gifted. And by all accounts now wildly rich.

Just now, Autocan said:

 

 

Gentlemen,

Please. My post was in no way derogatory. Have you ever tried playing the piano, or any other instrument for that matter, with your dingdong?

The little fella is undoubtedly gifted. And by all accounts now wildly rich.

Oh, riiiiiiiiight, so you are envious of his paid position as a leader of a country.........:coffee1:

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4 minutes ago, Autocan said:

 

 

Gentlemen,

Please. My post was in no way derogatory. Have you ever tried playing the piano, or any other instrument for that matter, with your dingdong?

 

The little fella is undoubtedly gifted. And by all accounts now wildly rich.

Oh, really? Which accounts might that be? Surely, he's not close to the head grifter, right?

 

 

 

https://x.com/greendragonhq/status/2005299853304488272?s=20

20 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh, riiiiiiiiight, so you are envious of his paid position as a leader of a country.........:coffee1:

Good heavens, no. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that sh**hole of a country (ma man Trump's words, not mine) with its Nazi-Banderite ideology and pervasive corruption.

 

And I certainly don't envy the current CIA puppet in charge, the little fella. He may be worth half a billion on paper (thanks, US taxpayers including me). But he's not going to be around long to enjoy the lucre. Loved ones of the 2 million Ukrainians he sent to their death will make sure of that.

10 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Oh, really? Which accounts might that be? Surely, he's not close to the head grifter, right?

I do not disagree, BLM ole buddy. But the difference is that Trump didn't send 2 million of his countrymen to die in order to satisfy his paymasters. 

 

Ok, I'll take that back if he puts up a Trump Tower in Gaza on the back of the genocide.

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Indeed Russia does want Ukraine to be a successful, healthy state. Russia never had any intention to occupy all of Ukraine.

Which is why at the opening of the war it launched a major front heading towards Kiev. Because it wanted its soldiers to take a tour of the Ukrainian capital and buy some souvenirs?

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12 minutes ago, Autocan said:

I do not disagree, BLM ole buddy. But the difference is that Trump didn't send 2 million of his countrymen to die in order to satisfy his paymasters. 

 

Ok, I'll take that back if he puts up a Trump Tower in Gaza on the back of the genocide.

 

OK, I see. So it was Ukraine that attacked Russia. Got it!:thumbsup:

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Nobody wants a corrupt failed state with a serious Nazi problem on their border. Especially one riddled with CIA bases and with a US VP deciding who can be the countries no1 prosecutor. Anybody would be outraged - in this case its the Russians. 

Yes. There is a serious  Nazi problem. On the Russian side 

 

Who Are The Neo-Nazis Fighting For Russia In Ukraine?

Along with members of the Russian Imperial Movement, a white supremacist group that was designated a "global terrorist" organization by the United States two years ago, Rusich is one of several right-wing groups that are actively fighting in Ukraine, in conjunction with Russia’s regular armed forces or allied separatist units.

According to a confidential report by Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service, which was obtained by Der Spiegel and excerpted on May 22, numerous Russian right-wing extremists and neo-Nazis are fighting in Ukraine.

German analysts wrote that the fact that Russian military and political leaders have welcomed neo-Nazi groups undermines the claim by Putin and his government that one of the principal motives behind the invasion is the desire to “de-Nazify” Ukraine, Spiegel said.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-neo-nazis-fighting-ukraine/31871760.html

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38 minutes ago, Autocan said:

 

 

Gentlemen,

Please. My post was in no way derogatory. Have you ever tried playing the piano, or any other instrument for that matter, with your dingdong?

 

The little fella is undoubtedly gifted. And by all accounts now wildly rich.

The "little fella" as you called him, was very wealthy  before he became Prime Miinister. He had a very successful career as a TV star. 

And please cite links from reputable sources that provide evidence that Zelenskiy has abused his position as PM to enrich himself. If you can't then you've got nothing.

11 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

OK, I see. So it was Ukraine that attacked Russia. Got it!:thumbsup:

Jeez, BL, the war didn't start in 2022. See the 2014 CIA-orchestrated coup in Kiev that tossed an elected leader and replaced him with a puppet and began the Nato-ization of Ukraine. Not to mention the tormenting of the Russians in the east. 

 

In any case, here's obese Victoria Nuland of the US State Dept. selecting Ukraine's govt. for them post-coup:

 

Russia wasn't going to put up with this. No superpower would. Think if China made a deal with Mexico for bases on the Gulf. The US would nuke them first and talk later.

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4 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Yes, you read it right, it's not a joke. The POTUS, having talked to Putin before and after the meeting with Zelenskyy, says Russia wants Ukraine to succeed!

When is enough, enough, even for the MAGA fans??:crazy:

 

 

 

 

 

you just posted the joke of the year... the funny thing is that Trump said it with a straight face and quite sure he believed it

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2 minutes ago, Autocan said:

Jeez, BL, the war didn't start in 2022. See the 2014 CIA-orchestrated coup in Kiev that tossed an elected leader and replaced him with a puppet and began the Nato-ization of Ukraine. Not to mention the tormenting of the Russians in the east. 

 

In any case, here's obese Victoria Nuland of the US State Dept. selecting Ukraine's govt. for them post-coup:

 

Russia wasn't going to put up with this. No superpower would. Think if China made a deal with Mexico for bases in the Gulf. The US would nuke them first and talk later.

 

Wow, you could compete with Trump for the position of Putin's chief apologist. Well done!:clap2:

BTW, you can drop the act. You're not American.

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Wow, you could compete with Trump for the position of Putin's chief apologist. Well done!

When I see invective I understand the argument's lost.

 

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

BTW, you can drop the act. You're not American.

Zis not true. I am 100% Amerikanski. I am Amerikan batriot.

2 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Occasionally I wonder if those few propagandists here are just stupid or is Russia paying them?

both....

41 minutes ago, Autocan said:

Good heavens, no. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that sh**hole of a country (ma man Trump's words, not mine) with its Nazi-Banderite ideology and pervasive corruption.

 

And I certainly don't envy the current CIA puppet in charge, the little fella. He may be worth half a billion on paper (thanks, US taxpayers including me). But he's not going to be around long to enjoy the lucre. Loved ones of the 2 million Ukrainians he sent to their death will make sure of that.

BS Russian propaganda! 🤣

18 minutes ago, Autocan said:

Jeez, BL, the war didn't start in 2022. See the 2014 CIA-orchestrated coup in Kiev that tossed an elected leader and replaced him with a puppet and began the Nato-ization of Ukraine. Not to mention the tormenting of the Russians in the east. 

 

In any case, here's obese Victoria Nuland of the US State Dept. selecting Ukraine's govt. for them post-coup:

 

Russia wasn't going to put up with this. No superpower would. Think if China made a deal with Mexico for bases on the Gulf. The US would nuke them first and talk later.

More BS Russian propaganda! 🤣

32 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Yes. There is a serious  Nazi problem. On the Russian side 

 

Who Are The Neo-Nazis Fighting For Russia In Ukraine?

Along with members of the Russian Imperial Movement, a white supremacist group that was designated a "global terrorist" organization by the United States two years ago, Rusich is one of several right-wing groups that are actively fighting in Ukraine, in conjunction with Russia’s regular armed forces or allied separatist units.

According to a confidential report by Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service, which was obtained by Der Spiegel and excerpted on May 22, numerous Russian right-wing extremists and neo-Nazis are fighting in Ukraine.

German analysts wrote that the fact that Russian military and political leaders have welcomed neo-Nazi groups undermines the claim by Putin and his government that one of the principal motives behind the invasion is the desire to “de-Nazify” Ukraine, Spiegel said.

https://www.rferl.org/a/russian-neo-nazis-fighting-ukraine/31871760.html

So to clarify, are the dozens and dozens of lefty "credible sources" that used to bang on pre invasion about Ukraine having a serious Nazi problem lying? Or was it propaganda? Or the Nazis all evaporated? Love to hear the spin on this🤣

I cant be bothered to post the infamous collage of legacy msm headlines stating exactly that. 

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So to clarify, are the dozens and dozens of lefty "credible sources" that used to bang on pre invasion about Ukraine having a serious Nazi problem lying? Or was it propaganda? Or the Nazis all evaporated? Love to hear the spin on this🤣

I cant be bothered to post the infamous collage of legacy msm headlines stating exactly that. 

I'm not sure which lefty sources you are referring to. There was a problem with the Azov brigade which certainly was a Neo-nazi group. They did fight alongside other Ukranian forces in Donetsk. But does that mean the Ukrainian army is neo-Nazi? An army whose government is headed by a Jewish person. When you're fighting for survival, you can't afford to be too choosy about your allies. The Soviet Union was an allyl of the US during WW2. Does that mean the US forces were communists?

The Azov forces have undergone reformation since.

But we know that there are openly Neo-Nazi forces fighting for Russia in the Ukraine. 

 

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I'm not sure which lefty sources you are referring to

https://www.reuters.com/article/opinion/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TC/

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/05/world/europe/nazi-symbols-ukraine.html

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/10/azov-far-right-fighters-ukraine-neo-nazis

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html

 

I can supply over 100. It was THE NARRATIVE of the day pre invasion. How many do you need? But the point is, were they all lying then or does Ukraine indeed have a major nazi problem?

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