2 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

I disagree with you. Why should the US have a more friendly open border policy compared with other countries in the world? Calling people racist because they want laws and policies enforced borders on bigotery. We are having serious housing problems in Canada exactly because we allow anyone to come whether legal or not and they are treated better than Canadian seniors who have cotributed to the CPP (canadian pension plan) all their lives.

I put to you @NorthernRyland and is that equitable? Bigotery comes in many forms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew49_T_KxQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxG3FQ3lIfA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU8gVxdIufU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbDeAq3BFW0

This is the general Canadian concensus:

@markhatchette1809

2 months ago

This cancer needs to be cut out quickly.

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@grizzlyridge4379

2 months ago

This is so gross. Disgusting behavior by our Liberal Government. Shame.

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@sherryturcotte9360

2 months ago

SO WHY ARE THEY PAYING FOR IMMIGRANTS WHEN WE HAVE SENIOR CANADIANS LIVING IN THEIR CARS AND IN TENTS!!! WTF

I don't know how you managed to do it, but you missed the heavy-handed sarcasm offered by NorthernRyland.

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

C'mon. You don't like the Trump strategy. Fine. You were asked what your alternative is that will address the problems and that will deliver the immediate results needed. You cannot and instead you come up with the response of schoolyard toddler.

C'mnon your leader doesn't have a plan, never has a plan for anything he does, but you still believe in him. This is not about not liking him, it is about telling you facts, which you don't like.
So now the OP is asking AN members for a plan. Woehaa.

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The only administration which has crushed the number of unauthorized migrants entering the USA, has been the Trump administration. And the people being removed are not coming back as they did previously.

How do you know? Is it because ICE murders them, or it it because you just believe the words of the liar in chief?

5 minutes ago, Pouatchee said:

I disagree with you. Why should the US have a more friendly open border policy compared with other countries in the world? Calling people racist because they want laws and policies enforced borders on bigotery. We are having serious housing problems in Canada exactly because we allow anyone to come whether legal or not and they are treated better than Canadian seniors who have cotributed to the CPP (canadian pension plan) all their lives.

I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I was explaining THEIR reasoning and why we can't come to an agreement.

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I don't know how you managed to do it, but you missed the heavy-handed sarcasm offered by NorthernRyland.

It's not sarcasm, I'm literally telling you what they believe. These are the people I grew up with and I understand exactly what their reasoning is because I used to believe all these same things myself.

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

It's not a problem in their eyes. These are desperate people seeking a better life and you're an evil white racist for denying them that. Any actions you take to stop them just further prove their point about how evil and racist you are.

Fully agree, imagine those people from the UK or USA - if you had a war going on. Would you not want to escape to Thailand or someplace else? Most have you done that. Now just imagine Thailand and it's people were just as hostile, racist and unwelcoming to foreigners like you are.

However, open door immigration into Thailand isn't as welcome as you may think. Thai's remained quiet but there is brewing resentment.

Local thais want you to come on holiday, spend money then go home. They don't want you eroding their culture and the crime and problems that come with it. Locals who live here go into accomodation and push up rents for locals.

Open door immigration, which Thailand has at the moment, is not that harmless in a developing nation.

1 minute ago, NorthernRyland said:

It's not sarcasm, I'm literally telling you what they believe. These are the people I grew up with and I understand exactly what their reasoning is because I used to believe all these same things myself.

What you're literally telling me is your representation of what they believe. I could care less about what you claim is your unconfirmable personal history. Given your biases blatantly on display in other topics, I'm confident you're offering something that you may or may not believe to be true, but is basically just a cliche.

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Unlikely to be loyal? What does that mean? Are they privy to top secrets? "They are a potential source of unrest". Really? Ya got any evidence for that? America has had millions of illegal aliens here for decades. Where's the unrest that they have caused? The Cato Institute did a study that showed illegal aliens are half as likely to commit serious crimes as native-born Americans. They hardly seem like a cohort given to unrest.

Who says I don't care about the workers? I just reported on the economic effects of deportation.

And unless you provide evidence that illegal aliens were contributing to the poor workmanship of American homes more so than American workers, I'm going to treat your claim as fiction.

ICE currently has approx. 36,000 unauthorized migrants in custody who have criminal convictions or criminal charge proceedings. ICE told Congress last year that, as of July, it had identified 435,000 unauthorized immigrants with criminal convictions in the United States who were not in custody. Of those non-citizens, 13,099 were convicted of murder and 15,811 were convicted of sexual assault. As of the end of May, 2025, ICE had arrested 752 non-citizens convicted of murder and 1,693 convicted of sexual assault.

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/us-immigration-tracker-follow-arrests-detentions-border-crossings-rcna189148

Good for the Cato institute normalizing having murders and rapists wandering about. No one need worry when an uninsured unauthorized migrant runs them down. Almost 500,000 criminals were incirculation before the government acted. You are in no position to vouch for the loyalty of the millions of migrants from regions that despise the USA. One look at the. fiasco in Minnesota should set your myth to bed. The theft of funds from people who needed it most is an act of disloyalty. The nature of Dearborn MI running as a community that considers itself above the US constitution and in defiance of the inclusivity practices that allowed those people to emigrate to the USA is the end result of what can happen.

The millions of of unauthorized migrants are sending money out of the country. It is not being spent in the USA building the US economy. They have their children occupying classroom seats and taking advantage of community healthcare programs. This reduces benefits available for authorized migrants and citizens.

11 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Are you reporting from an alternate reality.

No. You are, the alternate reality of the previous administration, the abject Biden administration…

13 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

• Targeting All Undocumented Individuals: Under the previous administration, ICE prioritized individuals who posed a threat to national security or public safety. The current administration has rescinded these memos, making anyone without legal status subject to arrest and removal.

• Decline in Criminal Conviction Share: Reports show that the percentage of detainees with criminal convictions has dropped (from 65% in late 2024 to approximately 35% by late 2025), as ICE increasingly arrests individuals with only immigration violations.

• Removal of "Sensitive Locations" Protections: Previous directives that protected areas like schools, hospitals, and places of worship from enforcement actions have been rolled back, allowing for arrests in or near these locations.

2. Operational Tactics and Field Methods

ICE has adopted several "force multiplier" tactics to increase the volume of arrests:

• Concealed Identity: Agents have increasingly been reported wearing masks, civilian clothing, and using unmarked vehicles during community arrests to prevent identification and evade counter-surveillance by activists.

• "Surge" Operations: DHS has launched high-profile operations in specific cities, such as Operation Midway Blitz (Chicago/Midwest) and Operation Metro Surge (Minneapolis), involving thousands of arrests in short periods.

• Plain-Clothes Arrests at Courthouses: There has been a resurgence of agents in plain clothes arresting individuals appearing for scheduled immigration or local court hearings.

3. Worksite Enforcement and Raids

Workplace raids, which were largely suspended under the Biden administration, have returned as a primary method of enforcement.

• Massive Operations: In September 2025, ICE conducted what it called the largest single-site worksite raid in its history at a Hyundai battery plant in Georgia, resulting in nearly 500 arrests.

• Industry Targeting: Raids have focused on industries like construction, meatpacking, agriculture, and hospitality.

4. Legal and Procedural Changes

The administration is using "fast-track" legal mechanisms to bypass traditional court proceedings:

• Expedited Removal Expansion: ICE is utilizing "expedited removal" powers to the fullest extent authorized by law, allowing for the deportation of individuals without a hearing before an immigration judge if they cannot prove they have lived in the U.S. for at least two years.

• 287(g) Program Expansion: The administration has signed hundreds of new agreements with local sheriffs and police departments, deputizing local officers to perform the functions of federal immigration agents.

• Mass Detention Infrastructure: A significant portion of the $45 billion provided by the "One Big Beautiful Bill Act" (2025) has been allocated to building "soft-sided" detention facilities (tent camps) to support the surge in arrests.

You’re always conflating reality. Or perhaps this really is your reality, though much prefer to believe that you’re pretending and give you the benefit of the doubt.

1 minute ago, novacova said:

No. You are, the alternate reality of the previous administration, the abject Biden administration…

You’re always conflating reality. Or perhaps this really is your reality, though much prefer to believe that you’re pretending and give you the benefit of the doubt.

Conflating reality? What does that mean? What does that have to do with the numerous points I quoted?

15 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So you mean illegal aliens who are murderers, sex offenders, and gangbangers don't get arrested and incarcerated? Do they have get-out-of-jail-free cards?

You are making no sense, probably because you are in an box of your own making. All criminals, especially violent ones, should be arrested and incarcerated, hows that? You agree, right?

14 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

I don't know how you managed to do it, but you missed the heavy-handed sarcasm offered by NorthernRyland.

11 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

I think you misunderstood what I wrote. I was explaining THEIR reasoning and why we can't come to an agreement.

My apologies!!! I did not get the sarcasm. My bad

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

What you're literally telling me is your representation of what they believe. I could care less about what you claim is your unconfirmable personal history. Given your biases blatantly on display in other topics, I'm confident you're offering something that you may or may not believe to be true, but is basically just a cliche.

Then tell me why there isn't a bipartisan effort to deport all illegals.

I know personally these same people would not enter a country like Thailand illegally because they know better, but when it comes to their own country they have reasons, which I already gave.

10 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

Fully agree, imagine those people from the UK or USA - if you had a war going on. Would you not want to escape to Thailand or someplace else? Most have you done that. Now just imagine Thailand and it's people were just as hostile, racist and unwelcoming to foreigners like you are.

There's no war. These are just people looking for a better life for various reason. It's not USA, Thailand or any other countries job to fix the lives of billions of other people. If the USA had Thailand's immigration policy we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

13 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

C'mnon your leader doesn't have a plan, never has a plan for anything he does, but you still believe in him. This is not about not liking him, it is about telling you facts, which you don't like.
So now the OP is asking AN members for a plan. Woehaa.

How do you know? Is it because ICE murders them, or it it because you just believe the words of the liar in chief?

You still don't offer a solution. Trump is not my leader. I am as critical of his policies as I am understanding of some of his others. The reality is that you cannot offer an alternative. The Democrat party cannot either and has failed to do so for the past decade. Trump is the only President to have practically stopped. unauthorized migration into the USA. The country now has the breathing room to deal with a problem it has ignored for generations.

10 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

ICE currently has approx. 36,000 unauthorized migrants in custody who have criminal convictions or criminal charge proceedings. ICE told Congress last year that, as of July, it had identified 435,000 unauthorized immigrants with criminal convictions in the United States who were not in custody. Of those non-citizens, 13,099 were convicted of murder and 15,811 were convicted of sexual assault. As of the end of May, 2025, ICE had arrested 752 non-citizens convicted of murder and 1,693 convicted of sexual assault.

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/us-immigration-tracker-follow-arrests-detentions-border-crossings-rcna189148

Good for the Cato institute normalizing having murders and rapists wandering about. No one need worry when an uninsured unauthorized migrant runs them down. Almost 500,000 criminals were incirculation before the government acted. You are in no position to vouch for the loyalty of the millions of migrants from regions that despise the USA.

Interesting how you surrender all critical faculties when the government offers you some statistics. It it were me, I would have taken a closer look at them. And since, in fact, it is me, I did just that. Here's one for starters:

"Amid intense debate over illegal immigration in the US election, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and his supporters claim the Biden administration allowed some 425,000 migrants with criminal records, including 13,000 with murder convictions, to enter the country without detaining them. This is false; the figures refer to the cumulative number of convicted non-citizens, including those from the Trump administration -- many of whom are in state or local custody.

"JUST OUT: 13,000 people convicted of murder have crossed into our Country through Kamala Harris’ Open Border - NON DETAINED, NON CITIZEN, CONVICTED CRIMINALS!" Trump said in a September 27, 2024 post sharing a Fox News graphic on his Truth Social platform.

Similar claims have circulated on Facebook, TikTok, X, Threads and in online articles.

"Under the Biden-Harris administration, over 425,000 illegal immigrants with criminal convictions have been released into the U.S., including 13,099 convicted murderers, 15,811 convicted rapists,  425,431 total convicted criminals," says a September 28, 2024 Instagram post.

The claims also lack context about the status of migrants with criminal records.

The DHS spokesperson said the figures shared online include "many who are under the jurisdiction or currently incarcerated by federal, state or local law enforcement partners."

Aaron Reichlin-Melnick of the American Immigration Council (archived here) told AFP: "These are people who, primarily, have already been charged and convicted and served their time."

Alex Nowrasteh, vice president for economic and social policy studies at the Cato Institute, offered a similar analysis in a September 30 blog post (archived here).

"When ICE uses the term 'non-detained,' they mean not currently detained by ICE," Nowrasteh wrote.

"In other words, the migrant murderers included in the letter are overwhelmingly in prison serving their sentences. After they serve their sentences, the government transfers them onto ICE's docket for removal from the United States."

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36HN49K

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You are making no sense, probably because you are in an box of your own making. All criminals, especially violent ones, should be arrested and incarcerated, hows that? You agree, right?

Have you already forgotten that it was you who singled out illegal alien, murders, sex offenders and gangbangers? You put murders, sex offenders, and gangbangers in a special category. Why? I just added to the mix the vast majority of Americans who are native-born.

13 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

Then tell me why there isn't a bipartisan effort to deport all illegals.

I know personally these same people would not enter a country like Thailand illegally because they know better, but when it comes to their own country they have reasons, which I already gave.

For one thing, most Americans don't want to deport most illegal aliens. Just the ones who are serious criminals.

And why isn't there a bipartisan effort to make hiring illegal aliens an even more serious crime? How many employers has the Trump administration prosecuted?

14 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Have you already forgotten that it was you who singled out illegal alien, murders, sex offenders and gangbangers? You put murders, sex offenders, and gangbangers in a special category. Why? I just added to the mix the vast majority of Americans who are native-born.

Keep spinning.

10 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And why isn't there a bipartisan effort to make hiring illegal aliens an even more serious crime? How many employers has the Trump administration prosecuted?

Deflection.

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Keep spinning.

Deflection.

"Keep spinning"

You offered no reasoning or facts to back up your comment. Because you've got nothing..

"Deflection"

Again, no reasoning or facts provided. But of course it's relevant if the goal is keep illegal aliens from settling in the USA. It actually is a crime to knowingly employ illegal aliens. Where's the major push for enforcement? I wonder what all that money devoted to ICE would do if instead it was used to prosecute criminal employers.

7 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

It actually is a crime to knowingly employ illegal aliens. Where's the major push for enforcement?

I'm sure you know the answer to that question.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1384302-south-texas-builders-say-ice-arrests-have-upended-industry/

Remind me who is in control in Texas

Reducing it to bare essentials. About half of the worlds population lives south ot the equator. Every effort to bring them out of poverty, scualor, desease and dictatorial oppression has failed.

Sooner or later, they will knock on our doors, wanting to become part of the "northern herismatic paradise". As with all the colonial "instructions", they have not managed to establish a "southern herismatic paradise", south of the equator.

This has nothing to do with "racism". Just an assessement of how the world turns and who makes the world turn. The tribal chiefs in Africa and the African war lords thrive on this.

On 1/12/2026 at 8:51 PM, NorthernRyland said:

🤔 exploiting or explaining?

Two 3 syllable words.

You two take your time in figuring it out.

5 hours ago, swissie said:

Reducing it to bare essentials. About half of the worlds population lives south ot the equator. Every effort to bring them out of poverty, scualor, desease and dictatorial oppression has failed.

Sooner or later, they will knock on our doors, wanting to become part of the "northern herismatic paradise". As with all the colonial "instructions", they have not managed to establish a "southern herismatic paradise", south of the equator.

This has nothing to do with "racism". Just an assessement of how the world turns and who makes the world turn. The tribal chiefs in Africa and the African war lords thrive on this.

"herismatic"

Really is vocabulary day on AN today.

On 1/12/2026 at 8:00 PM, Yagoda said:

So all the screeching and spittlefrothing, I have seen no proposals from the ICE haters as to solving the problem of Illegal Alien Criminals in so called "sanctuary" cites and states.

So lets see how you would handle the situation better? What should we do about the illegal alien criminals in our midst? In other words, whats your plan?

I’ll put aside your habitual invective laced gaslighting and make this suggestion.

I would start with convicted ‘illegal aliens’ who are in prison, and immigrants who are in prison on conviction for serious crimes.

This has a number of advantages:

• It addresses immigrants who are actual convicted criminals.

• It avoids the need for masked and heavily armed ICE agents invading communities to snatch people who are not convicted criminals.

• It immediately saves the Federal Government and States the cost of incarcerating immigrants who are actual convicted criminals.

It has a downside:

It cuts of revenue to the prison industry, whose powerful lobby pay $ to politicians.

6 hours ago, swissie said:

Reducing it to bare essentials. About half of the worlds population lives south ot the equator. Every effort to bring them out of poverty, scualor, desease and dictatorial oppression has failed.

Sooner or later, they will knock on our doors, wanting to become part of the "northern herismatic paradise". As with all the colonial "instructions", they have not managed to establish a "southern herismatic paradise", south of the equator.

This has nothing to do with "racism". Just an assessement of how the world turns and who makes the world turn. The tribal chiefs in Africa and the African war lords thrive on this.

Actually, only about 10% of the world's population lives south of the equator.

On 1/12/2026 at 10:43 PM, Patong2021 said:

You still don't offer a solution. Trump is not my leader. I am as critical of his policies as I am understanding of some of his others. The reality is that you cannot offer an alternative. The Democrat party cannot either and has failed to do so for the past decade. Trump is the only President to have practically stopped. unauthorized migration into the USA. The country now has the breathing room to deal with a problem it has ignored for generations.

A problem for generations? Really? How did that problem manifest itself for generations? Was the US economically damaged? Did the rate of crime escalate because of illegal aliens?

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I would start with convicted ‘illegal aliens’ who are in prison, and immigrants who are in prison on conviction for serious crimes.

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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ll put aside your habitual invective laced gaslighting and make this suggestion.

Ill put aside your habitual flaming and Trump deranged hate for Americans who dont agree with you and ask you how does that solve the problem of illegal alien criminals running wild in our country outside prison.

Tell us how deporting the incarcerated would have saved Laken Riley.

47 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

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Ill put aside your habitual flaming and Trump deranged hate for Americans who dont agree with you and ask you how does that solve the problem of illegal alien criminals running wild in our country outside prison.

Tell us how deporting the incarcerated would have saved Laken Riley.

I’m not sure what triggered that nonsense.

You asked for suggestions I gave you mine.

You’ve gone straight to ranting without addressing the suggestion I made.

Now you defect from addressing my suggestion by adding in Laken Riley which was not part of your OP.

If you ask a question so try to deal with the answers you are given,

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure what triggered that nonsense.

You asked for suggestions I gave you mine.

You’ve gone straight to ranting without addressing the suggestion I made.

Now you defect from addressing my suggestion by adding in Laken Riley which was not part of your OP.

If you ask a question so try to deal with the answers you are given,

You said your suggestion is to deport criminals already incarcerated? So tell us how that would have saved Laken Reilly, or Jocelyn Nungary? Uncomfortable question? Cant answer? of course you cant, your suggestion does nothing to solve the problem.

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You said your suggestion is to deport criminals already incarcerated? So tell us how that would have saved Laken Reilly, or Jocelyn Nungary? Uncomfortable question? Cant answer? of course you cant, your suggestion does nothing to solve the problem.

Tell us how cherry picking is what national policy should be based on?