13 hours ago, Asean Tiger said:

Good luck with that.

Obviously there are still irrelevant anti-semites in USA 🫵

MAGA is completely pro- Jewish and Trump is the greatest friend Israel has ever had in government anywhere in the world where if there is still another safe country it is the USA.

We will see how many UK Jews vote with their feet and take up asylum claims with the US Dept. of State.

Here we go with the name calling. I know it helps you cope with daily life to be able to hang vulgar definitions on people.

I don't care who they are or where they came from, they don't belong in America.

Jews are not that important, maybe at one time but that time has passed. Two more generations and religion of any sort won't be recognizable, thats a great thing. People are starting to see the made up books for what they are, thats also a great thing.

On 1/19/2026 at 5:19 AM, Evil Penevil said:

The Trump administration is discussing the possibility of offering asylum to Britain’s Jewish population

Can you take all the aggressive Muslims too?

3 -16 year old girls will also need asylum at the rate they are getting raped but not from Trumper' for obvious reasons 🤔

19 hours ago, Asean Tiger said:

I'm here to enjoy info about expat life in Thailand not get on these political debates.

But since there are so many people who think Jews should get out of UK. A community who have lived there for thousand years. A UK until which until recently has a reputation for religious tolerance in modern history.

Well maybe that's just another reason for good or bad why the world needs an Israel. Which might not be forever but will outlast all others in the region, even if only for a brief time after their enemies big cities are reduced to smoking holes in the desert. Backed 100 percent by the US militarily and, please look up the "Samson Option".

Welcome to the forum, it’s always good to see new members signing up with the possibility that we might get to hear some new points of view we’ve not been treated to in the past.

22 hours ago, Asean Tiger said:

But since there are so many people who think Jews should get out of UK. A community who have lived there for thousand years. A UK until which until recently has a reputation for religious tolerance in modern history.

Individual Jews may have lived in England during Roman and Anglo-Saxon times, but there wasn't a Jewish community. The first reliable historical evidence for Jews in England is from 1066 C.E., when William the Conqueror encouraged Jewish merchants and money lenders to move with him from northern France.

Jews were expelled from England in 1290 C.E by Edward I ("Longshanks" of Braveheart fame) and weren't readmitted until after Oliver Cromwell took power in 1649. Jews weren't fully "emancipated" in the United Kingdom, i.e., formally placed on equal footing in all respects with Christians, until 1858. However, Jews such as Moses Montefiore and Nathan Mayer Rothschild had achieved fame, influence and wealth prior to emancipation.

You can read a detailed history of Jews in the U.K. here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/united-kingdom-virtual-jewish-history-tour

I think the whole Jews not feeling safe in the UK is a big nothing burger. I find it hard to believe British Jews are unsafe now in anyplace they weren't unsafe a year or two ago.

Trump doesn't do anything without a reason. He softens up his followers for what he is going to do in the future.

This piece of considering asylum for British Jews is about sowing distrust and hate for Britain.

The question you need to ask is why? What is coming from Trump in the future.

Much like his text to the Norwegian Prime Minister, it wasn't leaked, it was released by the White House, it was done for a reason, the question is why?

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think the whole Jews not feeling safe in the UK is a big nothing burger. I find it hard to believe British Jews are unsafe now in anyplace they weren't unsafe a year or two ago.

The deadly attack on the Manchester synagogue in October last year was a significant increase in the intensity of antisemitism in the U.K.

Manchester synagogue attack stokes antisemitism fears in U.K.'s Jewish community

...

There has been a rise in anti-Jewish hostility in Britain that predates the attack in Israel and the Gaza war that started three years ago, according to community groups and the people suffering the first-hand effects in the United Kingdom. But the incident at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue in Crumpsall has brought the issue of antisemitism to the fore again — leaving many Jewish people in Britain worried for the safety of their friends and family.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/united-kingdom/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-attack-fears-antisemitism-uk-rcna235353

The Jewish charity Community Service Trust said reports of antisemitic incidents remained at historically high levels during the first six months of 2025, the second-highest ever and three times higher than the level reported in the same period of 2015.

From the CST's Antisemitic Incidents Report January-June 2025:

Community attention to the issue of antisemitism has also been sustained at an elevated level, as has media coverage of antisemitism as an issue. These various factors have contributed to an environment wherein Jewish individuals and communities have felt more anxious, uncertain and fearful for their futures as a part of British society, knowing that they may become proxy targets for those who hate Israel, and those who use Israel as an excuse to hate Jews.

https://cst.org.uk/research/cst-publications/antisemitic-incidents-report-january-june-2025

12 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

The deadly attack on the Manchester synagogue in October last year was a significant increase in the intensity of antisemitism in the U.K.

Manchester synagogue attack stokes antisemitism fears in U.K.'s Jewish community

...

There has been a rise in anti-Jewish hostility in Britain that predates the attack in Israel and the Gaza war that started three years ago, according to community groups and the people suffering the first-hand effects in the United Kingdom. But the incident at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue in Crumpsall has brought the issue of antisemitism to the fore again — leaving many Jewish people in Britain worried for the safety of their friends and family.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/united-kingdom/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-attack-fears-antisemitism-uk-rcna235353

The Jewish charity Community Service Trust said reports of antisemitic incidents remained at historically high levels during the first six months of 2025, the second-highest ever and three times higher than the level reported in the same period of 2015.

From the CST's Antisemitic Incidents Report January-June 2025:

Community attention to the issue of antisemitism has also been sustained at an elevated level, as has media coverage of antisemitism as an issue. These various factors have contributed to an environment wherein Jewish individuals and communities have felt more anxious, uncertain and fearful for their futures as a part of British society, knowing that they may become proxy targets for those who hate Israel, and those who use Israel as an excuse to hate Jews.

https://cst.org.uk/research/cst-publications/antisemitic-incidents-report-january-june-2025

Jews killed 2 x 13 year old boys today, and women and news reporters. They are committing war crimes daily.

Do you think this has anything to do with dislike of Jews, especially when most British Jews support Israel and donate money to charities that help the IDF?

18 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Can you take all the aggressive Muslims too?

How about aggressive Protestants?

5 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Jews killed 2 x 13 year old boys today, and women and news reporters. They are committing war crimes daily.

Do you think this has anything to do with dislike of Jews, especially when most British Jews support Israel and donate money to charities that help the IDF?

Standard disclaimer: I reject labeling IDF military action during the ongoing conflict as war crimes, but this isn't the proper thread for that discussion.

I am sure that in the minds of antisemites there is a connection between British Jews and the war in Gaza, but it is classic antisemitism to target non-Israeli Jews- or even all Israeli Jews- because of the actions of the current government of Israel.

As the CST report to which I linked stated: British Jews are fearful "they may become proxy targets for those who hate Israel, and those who use Israel as an excuse to hate Jews."

https://cst.org.uk/research/cst-publications/antisemitic-incidents-report-january-june-2025

Where have all the flowers gone.

4 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

Where have all the flowers gone.

Hamas should adopt that song as its anthem:

[Verse 4]
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Long time ago
Where have all the soldiers gone?
Gone to graveyards, every one
Oh, when will they ever learn?
Oh, when will they ever learn?

https://genius.com/Peter-paul-and-mary-where-have-all-the-flowers-gone-lyrics

When will Hamas ever learn?

7 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The deadly attack on the Manchester synagogue in October last year was a significant increase in the intensity of antisemitism in the U.K.

Manchester synagogue attack stokes antisemitism fears in U.K.'s Jewish community

...

There has been a rise in anti-Jewish hostility in Britain that predates the attack in Israel and the Gaza war that started three years ago, according to community groups and the people suffering the first-hand effects in the United Kingdom. But the incident at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue in Crumpsall has brought the issue of antisemitism to the fore again — leaving many Jewish people in Britain worried for the safety of their friends and family.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/united-kingdom/manchester-synagogue-terrorist-attack-fears-antisemitism-uk-rcna235353

The Jewish charity Community Service Trust said reports of antisemitic incidents remained at historically high levels during the first six months of 2025, the second-highest ever and three times higher than the level reported in the same period of 2015.

From the CST's Antisemitic Incidents Report January-June 2025:

Community attention to the issue of antisemitism has also been sustained at an elevated level, as has media coverage of antisemitism as an issue. These various factors have contributed to an environment wherein Jewish individuals and communities have felt more anxious, uncertain and fearful for their futures as a part of British society, knowing that they may become proxy targets for those who hate Israel, and those who use Israel as an excuse to hate Jews.

https://cst.org.uk/research/cst-publications/antisemitic-incidents-report-january-june-2025

I haven't been to the UK since the Gaza conflict, but I label the Manchester attack is Terrorism and very much an isolated incident and I'd be surprised if any group other than Muslims were behind it. There has always been deep hatred between Jews & Muslims.

I can't for a moment believe it is unsafe for a Jew (even those obviously dressed as Hasidic etc) to walk down a street in the UK. There are streets that are "no go" areas, but they're "no go" for any non-Muslim even though the Police deny their existence.

I think one result of the Gaza conflict is that intelligent people, specifically the generations after the 1930's are now aware of the history of Palestine, it's transition to Israel and what has happened subsequently, and they realise a great injustice has been perpetrated. This new understanding is mostly the type of people who read and research and they are not the type of people to take any active part in antisemitism.

I want to comment that was said elsewhere, I think it was you, but I apologise if I am wrong.

On the subject of antisemitism, I haven't seen any antisemitic posts on this forum, I can't label any member whose posts I have read as antisemitic. I prefer the Jerusalem Declaration on Antisemitism supported by over 200 scholars as the definition of antisemitism over the IHRA definition specifically because comparison with some specific Nazi activities and what Israel is doing is not considered antisemitic.

All the posts you and others have labeled antisemitic are specifically directed at Israel & the IDF, never the Jewish people, and if they were directed at Jewish people that would indeed be wrong.

On 1/19/2026 at 8:36 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Offering asylum to a religious minority under threat is not a characteristic of a fascist nation.

his comment clearly went over your head

8 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Standard disclaimer: I reject labeling IDF military action during the ongoing conflict as war crimes, but this isn't the proper thread for that discussion.

I am sure that in the minds of antisemites there is a connection between British Jews and the war in Gaza, but it is classic antisemitism to target non-Israeli Jews- or even all Israeli Jews- because of the actions of the current government of Israel.

As the CST report to which I linked stated: British Jews are fearful "they may become proxy targets for those who hate Israel, and those who use Israel as an excuse to hate Jews."

https://cst.org.uk/research/cst-publications/antisemitic-incidents-report-january-june-2025

There is a ceasefire, supposedly. Even in a war, you cannot justify killing women, children and journalists, and of course Israel has committed and committing hundreds of war crimes.

Many British Jews feel a cultural, religious, or familial connection to Israel, and

If Iran occupied Israel, there would be anti Muslim rise in UK.

Just under 2/3 of British Jews identity as Zionists.

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/new-polling-of-jewish-community-shows-antisemitism-fears-have-risen/#:~:text=Likewise%2C%2045%25%20now%20say%20',solidarity%20and%20connectivity%20in%20Britain.

Do you think banning criticism of the terrorist state of Israel, or it's wanted for war crimes leader. This is BS but maybe in Australia.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/jan/21/criticism-of-benjamin-netanyahu-made-be-an-offence-under-australias-new-hate-speech-laws-greens-warn-ntwnfb

legitimate criticism of Israel or the country’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, may be offences

• Significant Support for Israel: A 2024 Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR) report highlighted that 73% of British Jews feel very or somewhat attached to Israel.

• Increased Giving Post-Oct 7: Following the October 7, 2023 attacks, research indicates that at least 60% of British Jews have donated to a charity supporting Israel.

Two UK charities have transferred millions of pounds to an Israeli settlement in the occupied West Bank with the endorsement of the charities regulator, the Guardian can reveal.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/18/two-uk-charities-donate-millions-israeli-settlement-occupied-west-bank

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

his comment clearly went over your head

His comment was:

On 1/18/2026 at 8:23 PM, blaze master said:

This is exactly the kind of thing I expect from the fascist USA.

... and I responded ...

On 1/18/2026 at 8:36 PM, Evil Penevil said:

Offering asylum to a religious minority under threat is not a characteristic of a fascist nation.

His comment seemed straight-forward to me. Can you explain what it is I'm supposed to have missed? My intention was to indicate disagreement with his statement that the U.S. is fascist.

9 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

His comment was:

... and I responded ...

His comment seemed straight-forward to me. Can you explain what it is I'm supposed to have missed? My intention was to indicate disagreement with his statement that the U.S. is fascist.

You missed the sarcasm.

6 hours ago, blaze master said:

You missed the sarcasm.

Sarcasm is said to be the most difficult form of humor. I guess I missed the humor as well.

18 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

There are streets that are "no go" areas, but they're "no go" for any non-Muslim even though the Police deny their existence.

Really ?

Name a street in the UK that is no go for non Muslims ?

21 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

I guess I missed the humor as well.

No I get it....not everyone can be funny.

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Really ?

Name a street in the UK that is no go for non Muslims ?

Violence in Bradford (and other UK cities) has occurred in the past. For example the Bradford Riots in 2001. Clashes between White and Asian (mostly Muslim) youths. Police attended too and were also attacked.

I worked in Bradford for about 9 years and it was generally known some areas you could drive through but not walk through. There was a case where the residents put up signs at each end of the street saying only muslims permitted, but the police took them down. Details below.

From AI....

There have been isolated incidents in the UK where unofficial, homemade signs were put up in certain neighborhoods claiming things like “Sharia zone” or “Muslims only.” These were not official signs, and they were quickly removed by police or local councils because they are illegal under UK law.

⚖️ Key Points

• Illegal signage: Any sign restricting access by religion is unlawful under the Equality Act 2010.

• Police response: When such signs have appeared (including in parts of London and occasionally reported in northern cities like Bradford), authorities have treated them as hate incidents and removed them immediately.

• Community reassurance: West Yorkshire Police and Bradford Council have repeatedly stated there are no “Muslim-only” streets. The city is diverse, and all public areas remain open to everyone.

• Origin of signs: In past cases, these signs were linked to small extremist groups trying to provoke division. They did not represent the wider Muslim community.

Local News Coverage

• Bradford Telegraph & Argus (crime desk): Reported that police investigated and removed extremist signage when it appeared in Bradford. The paper noted that these were unauthorized stickers or posters and that residents raised concerns, prompting police intervention.

• VICE News (2021): In a broader piece on Bradford, VICE highlighted how misinformation about “no-go areas” and “Muslim-only zones” has been exploited by far-right groups. It clarified that while tensions and riots have occurred historically, there are no official Muslim-only streets.

On 1/19/2026 at 10:09 AM, Asean Tiger said:

Where is their home?

Not the West Bank!

On 1/19/2026 at 2:54 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

✡️

So, you intensely dislike Jews

"The Star of David (Magen David, "Shield of David") is a six-pointed star formed by two interlocking equilateral triangles, a widely recognized symbol of Jewish identity"

AND the flag of a military nation-state. As well as an avatar on AN.

What does that have with disliking Jews, exactly?!?

Let's examine this logically. I think the nation of Israel's military actions are immoral. Israel is the Jewish promised land, therefore I must hate Jews everywhere. Nonsense!

I think anyone who supports IDF murderers, no matter their religion or not, has no heart. But I won't be bombing them into the stone age, either, unlike Israel.

4 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

AND the flag of a military nation-state. As well as an avatar on AN.

What does that have with disliking Jews, exactly?!?

He stated that anyone or anything who displays the star of David, he intensely dislikes .

He was being polite and avoiding allegations of Anti Semitism

On 1/19/2026 at 6:21 PM, Evil Penevil said:

It's not illegal for British Jews to contribute money to support the State of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews. That's a poor excuse for antisemitic actions,

However, if those donations are used for any sort of settlement or military activities, then they should certainly be illegal! Just like sending money to Hamas. Funding terrorism.

Widows, widowers and orphans created by this senseless war should be compensation by the Israeli govt! Even the Russians give money to mothers!

On 1/19/2026 at 10:47 PM, Patong2021 said:

I provided a lengthy explanation. You have chosen to ignore it. Your argument now is that if one questions why there is one lofty standard for Israel and another for everyone else, it is dismissed as an ad hominem attack. That's the attitude that I highlighted. How many topics on Israel and the real and imagined wrong doings which some westerners obsess over do we need? Surely, if people were that empathetic, that compassionate and so very in tune with human rights and the horrors of war, we would have as much concern for the massive horrors that black africans have faced in Darfur, or the the hundreds of thousands that have suffered in Yemen, Iraq, Syria et al.

Okay, Patong, I see where you're going with this, and you're not wrong. But we all tend to support people like ourselves. Like it or not, for us white, American, brought up Protestants, that's the Jews. Growing up in New York, I have always identified Jews are compassionate and generous people. In my experience, they have also been left-wing activists for social causes.

If anything, I support Palestinians because I thought better of Jews! I have never subscribed to any tropes about Jews but land seizure in the West Bank speaks for itself. And isn't being an anti-Muslim racist the same as being an antisemite.

The state of Israel has always been about knee-jerk military action, not to solve any situation but for vengeance or as if they had something to prove. To create a peaceful world, we need to rein in all military states.

On 1/20/2026 at 4:24 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Six million Jews died because the world turned a blind eye to Nazi persecution in the 1930 and 1940s. That must never happen again and Holocaust remembrance events are an effective means of warning of the dangers of antisemitism. School children in particular need to be made aware of the Holocaust.

Why did the world turn a blind eye? Money, honey. How many American companies were cashing in from Nazi Germany right up to declaration of war. I'm quite convinced that the fatcats and politicians knew about Hitler's final solution--the money was more important to them.

Of course, the Holocaust must be taught in schools! Will it teach the next generation not to hate? You & I both know the answer. I class antisemitism with any other kind of racist hate. Why should it be special?

When we honour the victims of the Holocaust, we think not only of Jews, but of gays, autistics, cripples, blacks, Communists, Socialists, political prisoners, trade unionists, Romani, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, Catholics, Quakers, POWs. Though their total number was smaller, they were subjected to the same Nazi hatred as were Jews.

In particular, JWs held most firm against the Nazis with their motto: "Fear them not". "When Germany reintroduced universal military service in 1935, Jehovah's Witnesses generally refused to enroll. They refused to bear arms for any political power.The Nazis prosecuted Jehovah's Witnesses for failing to report for conscription and arrested those who did missionary work for undermining the morale of the nation." Jehovah's Witnesses were the most stridently outspoken conscientious objectors in the country even before Hitler's rise.

And think not only of the death camps. Think of the thousands of political dissidents and pacifists guillotined in Berlin.

So it's not at all only about the Jews. When we say, "Never forget", we are remembering all of these who died brutally at the hands of monsters not just Jews. And we are 'remembering', we all should realise that, if we look away for one single moment, it can happen again.

Don't think that I don't honour the suffering of Jews. But I don't honour it more than the suffering of others.

14 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Why did the world turn a blind eye? Money, honey. How many American companies were cashing in from Nazi Germany right up to declaration of war. I'm quite convinced that the fatcats and politicians knew about Hitler's final solution--the money was more important to them.

Of course, the Holocaust must be taught in schools! Will it teach the next generation not to hate? You & I both know the answer. I class antisemitism with any other kind of racist hate. Why should it be special?

When we honour the victims of the Holocaust, we think not only of Jews, but of gays, autistics, cripples, blacks, Communists, Socialists, political prisoners, trade unionists, Romani, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christadelphians, Catholics, Quakers, POWs. Though their total number was smaller, they were subjected to the same Nazi hatred as were Jews.

In particular, JWs held most firm against the Nazis with their motto: "Fear them not". "When Germany reintroduced universal military service in 1935, Jehovah's Witnesses generally refused to enroll. They refused to bear arms for any political power.The Nazis prosecuted Jehovah's Witnesses for failing to report for conscription and arrested those who did missionary work for undermining the morale of the nation." Jehovah's Witnesses were the most stridently outspoken conscientious objectors in the country even before Hitler's rise.

And think not only of the death camps. Think of the thousands of political dissidents and pacifists guillotined in Berlin.

So it's not at all only about the Jews. When we say, "Never forget", we are remembering all of these who died brutally at the hands of monsters not just Jews. And we are 'remembering', we all should realise that, if we look away for one single moment, it can happen again.

Don't think that I don't honour the suffering of Jews. But I don't honour it more than the suffering of others.

Interesting post.

Stalin and Pol Pot killed millions of their own people, and it had nothing to do with religion.

4 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Okay, Patong, I see where you're going with this, and you're not wrong. But we all tend to support people like ourselves. Like it or not, for us white, American, brought up Protestants, that's the Jews. Growing up in New York, I have always identified Jews are compassionate and generous people. In my experience, they have also been left-wing activists for social causes.

If anything, I support Palestinians because I thought better of Jews! I have never subscribed to any tropes about Jews but land seizure in the West Bank speaks for itself. And isn't being an anti-Muslim racist the same as being an antisemite.

The state of Israel has always been about knee-jerk military action, not to solve any situation but for vengeance or as if they had something to prove. To create a peaceful world, we need to rein in all military states.

Just for clarification .

Are you a white person of European heritage living on stolen American Indian Land ?

And you oppose Jews taking back the land called Judea ?

So, you side with the European and Muslims invaders of each land , USA and Israel