8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Obama is a tosser.

Nå, the best ever! And the first Lady to,

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I might agree we might have to blaim Obama for the mess we experience today

Based on this roast which led to inspire Trump to run as president and revenge being humiliated in front of the whole country

You could also argue that Obama was the precursor for the extensive use of the executive order we see today. He was of course severely hampered by the GOP with Mitch McConnell famously declaring he wanted Obama to be a one term POTUS and 'That means that we can - and should - propose and vote on straight repeal, repeatedly' but it did also allow Trump the opportunity to use itv extensively and in effect bypass Congress and enact many of his more insidious policies we see today.

Just now, Hummin said:

Nå, the best ever! And the first Lady to,

High unemployment

Non stop cc talk

Killed innocents with drones

He was a clown.

10 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Obama is a tosser.

And you know the saying 'it takes one.........'

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

And you know the saying 'it takes one.........'

Dumb saying used by desperate people. If you can't debate facts just use insults. You lost already.

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

High unemployment

Non stop cc talk

Killed innocents with drones

He was a clown.

It is what you want to believe!

I only hold against him, accepting the Nobel peace Price given for Nothing by a corrupted committee

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

It is what you want to believe!

I only hold against him, accepting the Nobel peace Price given for Nothing by a corrupted committee

Just facts. His unemployment figures amongst worst ever.

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Just facts. His unemployment figures amongst worst ever.

AI says

Barack Obama's unemployment statistics were not the worst in U.S. history, though they were high on average compared to other modern presidencies due to the Great Recession he inherited.

Context of Obama's Unemployment Stats

Peak Rate: The unemployment rate peaked at 10.0% in October 2009. While high, this was lower than the post-World War II record of 10.8% set under Ronald Reagan in 1982. It was also significantly lower than the 14.7% peak reached during the COVID-19 pandemic under Donald Trump in April 2020.

Total Decline: Obama oversaw a 5.3 percentage point drop in unemployment (from 10.0% to 4.7% by the end of his term). This is cited as one of the largest drops in the unemployment rate of any modern president.

Average Rate: His eight-year average was 7.4%, which is higher than the averages of several other recent presidents, such as George W. Bush (5.2%

6 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Dumb saying used by desperate people. If you can't debate facts just use insults. You lost already.

Says the man who entered the topic with 'Obama is a tosser.'

Do you even hear yourself?

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

Says the man who entered the topic with 'Obama is a tosser.'

Do you even hear yourself?

I'm not insulting you. I'm discussing the topic. Obama was a tosser. Fact.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

I'm not insulting you. I'm discussing the topic. Obama was a tosser. Fact.

No, that's called opinion. Coincidently it's the same opinion I have of you but never having met you, I don't know (yet) if it's a fact.

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

His eight-year average was 7.4%, which is higher than the averages of several other recent presidents, such as George W. Bush (5.2%

Yep very bad.

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

No, that's called opinion. Coincidently it's the same opinion I have of you but never having met you, I don't know (yet) if it's a fact.

All men <deleted> so it is actually a fact.

13 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Obama is a tosser.

Thanks for the insight. Brilliant, with stunning depth. I can see that self-professed 143 IQ really earning its keep. When you’ve finished warming up, don’t be coy — feel free to add another fact and logic free contribution to the debate.

Just now, LosLobo said:

Thanks for the insight. Brilliant, with stunning depth. I can see that self-professed 143 IQ really earning its keep. When you’ve finished warming up, feel free to add another fact and logic free contribution to the debate.

143 is wrong buddy. You guys can't get anything right. Sad really.

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Thanks for the insight.

Yeah like Orange felon written on here 10,000 times. Such wit.

But please don't insult our left wing hero Obama. Great guy and only 7.4% avg unemployment.

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

You need to make your mind up - either you suport TARP or you don't. You've made a great song and dance about NOT supporting it through this thread, but when I point out it was Bush and not Obama you now loudly (in bold capitals no less) extol 'so it was Bush that saved the world from 'financial meltdown'.

And the VERY obvious point I and many on here are making which again you seem to want to ignore is literally on day 1 of his presidency, Obama inherited one of the worst financial crisises in modern history and instead of the meltdown it SHOULD have been, under his steady stewardship both the US and the world was expertly sheperded through the crisis - a crisis that once again was initiated under a GOP led government - just like the other 10 recessions (out of 11 post WW2) that started under GOP led administrations. https://www.jec.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/democrats/2024/10/the-u-s-economy-performs-better-under-democratic-presidents

But facts eh? Who needs them when you've got an echo chamber defeaning you to anything other than your own bias.

TARP was for the elite. Unnecessary bail out for investors who new the risks. Then tried the bury their loser purchases, illegally. FDIC was set up, just for such a reason, rescue depositors, not banks owners or investors.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of MSM.

29 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Yep very bad.

It is how you read and understand it!

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is how you read and understand it!

He had 8 years and failed.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Yeah like Orange felon written on here 10,000 times. Such wit.

But please don't insult our left wing hero Obama. Great guy and only 7.4% avg unemployment.

Yet your 16,000 posts a year — says commitment to the leaderboard, and little to any argument facts, logic, or wit.

'But please don't insult' anyone's intelligence — if context isn’t an issue for you, why ignore that Trump’s unemployment rate peaked at 14.8% in 2020?

1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

Yet your 16,000 posts a year — says commitment to the leaderboard, and little to any argument facts, logic, or wit.

'But please don't insult' anyone's intelligence — if context isn’t an issue for you, why ignore that Trump’s unemployment rate peaked at 14.8% in 2020?

Covid. Don't cherry pick one month. Look at the average. Your response rates 0.1/10. No thought whatsover.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

TARP was for the elite. Unnecessary bail out for investors who new the risks. Then tried the bury their loser purchases, illegally. FDIC was set up, just for such a reason, rescue depositors, not banks owners or investors.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of MSM.

I don't think anyone here is defending the “too big to fail” idiots that caused it all (most of them should have gone to jail) but a lot of individual investors did lose money as it was just the banks that got bailed out. This was to get cash liquidity flowing again. TARP was absolutely necessary at the time otherwise the worlds financial system would have collapsed. And it wasn’t as if the money was lost - quite the opposite in fact. According to AI - “Of the $426.4 billion invested in banks and auto companies, about $441.7 billion was recovered, resulting in a $15.3 billion profit.”

I’m no fan of the $hit show and subsequent bail-out that happened - I lost my UK business because of the ensuing recession- but even I understand how necessary it all was. My issue now is it’s heading in exactly the same way with a VERY large bubble being created across multiple areas except now the guard rails are well and truly off. No lessons have been learned.

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Yet your 16,000 posts a year — says commitment to the leaderboard,

Lefties dominate all the leaderboards. BLM, Jing and Spider never shut up about Trump. Im mostly in the pub.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

He had 8 years and failed.

Na, he didn't fail, again, it is how you want it to be. George Bush failed with two wars, Obama took over a mess, but very few want to admit the chaos Obama took over, he delt with the best way any other president could had done. You can say Clinton failed in taking out Osama Bin Laden when he had the chance, but Clinton evaluated the consequences of other innocent lives more worth than succeeding the elimination of Osama up against killing families and children to high.

Obama delivered against all odds and republican who constantly undermined his policies and politics!

American politics is war in a kindergarten where two opponments fighting and blaming the other part, and not two grown ups who working for peoples best.

It's ridiculously stupid and costly

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Im mostly in the pub.

That explains a lot.

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

That explains a lot.

The pub section is way better than politics. I see you misunderstood what I meant. No surprise.

13 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Covid. Don't cherry pick one month. Look at the average. Your response rates 0.1/10. No thought whatsover.

GFC — it’s inherited context. Exclude crises for Obama, and COVID must be excluded for Trump too.

Just now, LosLobo said:

GFC — it’s inherited context. Exclude crises for Obama, and COVID must be excluded for Trump too.

Nah just average the 4 or 8 years. Obama failed. Trump was better. Obama was a loud mouth dud.

On 1/23/2026 at 1:43 AM, spidermike007 said:

How soon you forget what his first Administration was like and the destruction is only beginning this time around, he is on course to wreck America completely.

I think many of his appointees just sort of come along for the ride and what appears to be a certain amount of prestige in the appointed position, and most of them eventually lose faith and realize what a ridiculous man their boss truly is, and they get thrown under the bus, or they display a shred of morality and leave on their own. 

This list is incomplete but it's just a partial group of people who either resigned on their own or were fired during his first administration, and there's no doubt that that list will grow significantly during this second fiasco of an administration. 

Rick Perry

Secretary of Energy | Trump appointee

Resigned 

Kevin McAleenan

Acting Director of Homeland Security | Trump appointee

Resigned 

John Bolton

National Security Adviser | Trump White House staffer

Fired 

Dan Coats

Director of National Intelligence | Trump appointee

Resigned 

Alexander Acosta

Secretary of Labor | Trump appointee

Resigned 

Sarah Sanders

Press Secretary | Trump White House staffer

Resigned 

Kirstjen Nielsen

Secretary of Homeland Security | Trump appointee

Resigned 

Scott Gottlieb

FDA Commissioner | Trump appointee

Resigned 

Ryan Zinke

Secretary of Interior | Trump appointee

Resigned 

John Kelly

White House Chief of Staff | Trump White House staffer

Fired 

James Mattis

Secretary of Defense | Trump appointee

Fired 

Nikki Haley

US Ambassador to the UN | Trump appointee

Resigned 

Jeff Sessions

Attorney General | Trump appointee

Fired 

Scott Pruitt

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator | Trump appointee

Resigned 

Tom Homan

Director of ICE | Trump appointee

Resigned 

H.R. McMasterNational Security Adviser | Trump White House staffer

Fired 

Hope Hicks

White House Communications Director | Trump White House staffer

Resigned 

David Shulkin

Secretary of Veterans Affairs | Trump appointee

Fired 

John Dowd

Trump's lead lawyer | Trump legal team

Resigned 

Rex Tillerson

Secretary of State | Trump appointee

Fired 

Gary Cohn

Chief Economic Adviser | Trump White House staffer

Resigned 

Rachel Brand

Associate Attorney General | Trump appointee

Resigned 

Andrew McCabe

FBI Deputy Director | Obama appointee

Fired 

Dina Powell

Deputy National Security Adviser | Trump White House staffer

Resigned 

Tom Price

Health and Human Services Secretary | Trump appointee

Resigned 

Steve Bannon

White House Chief Strategist | Trump White House staffer

Fired 

Anthony Scaramucci

White House Communications Director | Trump White House staffer

Fired after 11 days! 

Reince Priebus

White House Chief of Staff | Trump White House staffer

Fired 

Sean Spicer

White House Press Secretary | Trump White House staffer

Resigned 

K.T. McFarlandDeputy National Security Adviser | Trump White House staffer

Resigned 

Michael Flynn

National Security Adviser | Trump White House staffer

I couldn't help but notice that you sidestepped any criticism of Obama in the post you referenced. How do you justify Obama authorizing the killing of US citizens without any criminal charges? You’ve presented yourself as a centrist Democrat willing to critique Obama, yet you seem reluctant to engage with those who highlight legitimate concerns regarding his actions. This raises questions about your openness and willingness to consider differing perspectives.

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

And Trump is the first president to weaponize ICE, turn them into domestic terrorists, and allowed them to shoot Americans in the head with absolute impunity.

Once again, you are sidestepping the serious issue of Obama authorizing the deaths of U.S. citizens without any charges being filed against them. You claimed to be open to criticizing Obama when warranted, yet you seem unwilling to hold him accountable. It's essential to confront these actions honestly.