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16 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

Vaccines have been extremely effective in eradicating Polio around the World. Measles, Cholera, Yellow Fever and many more are on that list.

This is just utter nonsense. In fact it is worse; it is monumental humbug.

Polio was/is caused by toxicity. There is no such entity as a polio virus. And because there is no virus; any vaccine is totally worthless. Needless to say also extremely dangerous.

Open your mind and seek the truth Sir. Here is something to get you thinking and stop you , and anyone else, stumbling about in the vaxx quagmire.

Mump - the virtual eradication of Polio was widely acknowledged for decades and the vaccine had been used worldwide in achieving that.

But as it happens, I am against mRNA vaccines and the Covid vax too, but the Polio vax and many others were OK

You're one of the crew that want to throw the babies out with the bathwater !

11 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

This is just utter nonsense. In fact it is worse; it is monumental humbug.

Polio was/is caused by toxicity. There is no such entity as a polio virus. And because there is no virus; any vaccine is totally worthless. Needless to say also extremely dangerous.

Open your mind and seek the truth Sir. Here is something to get you thinking and stop you , and anyone else, stumbling about in the vaxx quagmire.

You need to open your mind and see the facts. Vaccines have saved millions. Some are unnecessary for some people, and others are. Individuals all have their genetic predispositions to certain diseases, which can be easily seen with relatives dying from the same diseases as their ancestors.

There are certainly viruses and diseases worldwide. that millions die from yearly, that you might have gotten away with not taking any vaccines that has you thinking they aren't necessary for others. If you did have the childhood vaccines, then you are possibly still here because of them, something you cannot prove or disprove.

True that starting from birth and seeking a healthy lifestyle, with help from your parents, can have you avoiding many maladies, but there is still no guarantees as DNA goes much deeper than that. The fact remains--- people living in the Blue Zones, who use vaccines also, live longer than any others on average worldwide. That's all the proof we need.

I had H Pylori, something around 70% of people worldwide have but only about 20% are affected by it, and had to undergo treatment or the gastritis I had from it could have led to ulcers or gastro cancer. I've followed a very healthy diet and exercise program all my life, with all the necessary things to ensure a good gut microbiome, which is one of our most important body areas, if not the most important, and still I got H Pylori from either my ex wife or the water here. Nothing could have stopped the infection from happening, as it's there in most people already. That I became affected by it is just in the cards, like all other maladies which affect some but not all others.

26 minutes ago, TorquayFan said:

Mump - the virtual eradication of Polio was widely acknowledged for decades and the vaccine had been used worldwide in achieving that.

Firstly, let me say that I'm glad of your stance on mRNA vaxxes. At least you are aware (I presume) that they are not safe, not effective and totally worthless.

As far as polio is concerned; you are incorrect. Anyone not being in the medical field can say they are ignorant of the facts. Facts that have been swept under the carpet down the decades. But for those in the medical industry; there can be no excuse. They should know better. But they don't want to know. They are not interested in evidence; but fall back on the falsehoods of their training days. and what the last Big Pharma rep through the door told them was A1 for the new complaint on the horizon.

Becoming a doctor, used to be a calling. It has turned into a money accumulating business, where the doctor's bank balance is paramount interest.

42 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You need to open your mind and see the facts. Vaccines have saved millions.

No vaccine has not saved anyone; ever.

45 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

There are certainly viruses and diseases worldwide. that millions die from yearly,

People anywhere, do not die from diseases Sir. You are misinformed.

Your idea of why we get sick is way off the mark. I refer you to some of my previous posts to get a better take on health.

49 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That I became affected by it is just in the cards, like all other maladies which affect some but not all others.

The body is the only true healer. Support it and it will see you all good. There is no 'luck of the draw' involved. The body receives, it adapts, it gets back to normal.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

No vaccine has not saved anyone; ever.

People anywhere, do not die from diseases Sir. You are misinformed.

Your idea of why we get sick is way off the mark. I refer you to some of my previous posts to get a better take on health.

The body is the only true healer. Support it and it will see you all good. There is no 'luck of the draw' involved. The body receives, it adapts, it gets back to normal.

No evidence to the contrary, and with all the people dying from Polio, which was nipped in the bud after the vaccine was introduced, that is evidence.

People everywhere die from diseases, as this is easily diagnosed. People die from old age and diseases and ailments, many of which can, and have been be stopped by medicines.

I've understood why people get sick since childhood. I've known all along since getting into bodybuilding and nutrition what ensures health, and followed those practices.

The body can heal itself of many things, and not of others. I've explained the facts about the Blue Zone people living longer than others worldwide, and they get sick , diseases, use vaccines and drink wine.

There have been people who've gotten vaccines and lived to 100, and some that didn't that did also. The same goes for those who lived to 5 and died from diseases, where no nutrition or anything else could have helped them as they were well taken care of by their parents. Explain how so many die before they are 5 years old. Your opinions are just that.Pretty simple explanation of what a disease is, and where they originate, and some because of a person's habits, and some aren't...........https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No evidence to the contrary, and with all the people dying from Polio, which was nipped in the bud after the vaccine was introduced, that is evidence.

",,,after the vaccine was introduced,,,"

Firstly; there is not a disease called polio. The incidence of polio reduced dramatically after it was realised that DDT was dangerous. The vaxx arrived when the incidence of polio, in the west, had reduced significantly.

Polio still exists around the world. Just the definition has changed.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

",,,after the vaccine was introduced,,,"

Firstly; there is not a disease called polio. The incidence of polio reduced dramatically after it was realised that DDT was dangerous. The vaxx arrived when the incidence of polio, in the west was reduced significantly.

Polio still exists around the world. Just the definition has changed.

Polio exists because some aren't being vaccinated. And it is a disease, caused by the polio virus. Again, whoever told you this is wrong, and they're likely now suffering from some disease that originated outside their bodies, or might soon, and might change their wrong thinking. Polio has been around thousands of years and DDT was made in 1874.Polio still exists because some areas aren't vaccinated.............https://www.voanews.com/a/wasn-t-polio-wiped-out-why-it-is-still-a-problem-in-some-countries/7763490.html.

This thread is what I imagine the village idiot's convention in Minsk would be like.

Or even monty python...

14 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Polio exists because some aren't being vaccinated. And it is a disease, caused by the polio virus. Again, whoever told you this is wrong,

Don't get me wrong Sir. I'm not saying for one minute that people don't get sick. That kids don't get polio.

What I am saying is that there are no diseases. People don't 'catch' a virus. People don't spread illness.

There are reasons why we get ill/sick.

A - Poor diet, unclean water, bad air.

B - Poisoning and toxicity.

C - Accidents and insults.

D - EMFs.

E - Emotion.

This idea that there is some mythical, hidden entity called a germ, more specifically a virus, waiting to pounce at a moment's notice is ridiculous. This is all just held together by the Big Pharma $$$ and ignorant, know-nothing, while coats.

Nature has the answers we seek.

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Don't get me wrong Sir. I'm not saying for one minute that people don't get sick. That kids don't get polio.

What I am saying is that there are no diseases. People don't 'catch' a virus. People don't spread illness.

There are reasons why we get ill/sick.

A - Poor diet, unclean water, bad air.

B - Poisoning and toxicity.

C - Accidents and insults.

D - EMFs.

E - Emotion.

This idea that there is some mythical, hidden entity called a germ, more specifically a virus, waiting to pounce at a moment's notice is ridiculous. This is all just held together by the Big Pharma $$$ and ignorant, know-nothing, while coats.

Nature has the answers we seek.

The definition of a disease has been around a long time, and has been fully accepted by the population. Some who think otherwise are on the outside using their own opinions. Germs of course exist, as they can be seen in microscopes........Agostino Bassi (1835-1836): Provided early proof by demonstrating that a fungal disease in silkworms was caused by a microorganism, recommending disinfection to control its spread.

1. Robert Koch's Postulates (1884): Koch established a rigid scientific framework to link specific microbes to specific diseases:

   1. The microbe must be present in all infected organisms but absent from healthy ones.

   2. The microbe must be isolated from the host and grown in a pure culture.

   3. The cultured microbe must cause the same disease when introduced into a healthy host.

   4. The same microbe must be re-isolated from the new host.

2. Koch's Discoveries: Using these methods, Koch identified the bacteria responsible for anthrax (1876), tuberculosis (1882), and cholera (1883). .....................Quite a few years before Big Pharma, when people researched to help others and not for profit..................https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease.

Of course diseases and viruses are spread from others. This is how communicable diseases work. Or are you saying that Covid, for just one, was already inside everyone who ended up with it? A more logical explanation, seeing many doctors and nurses "caught" it from patients, and died soon afterwards.

This is from the provided link...........................Communicable, or contagious, diseases are those transmitted from one organism to another. Infectious diseases are diseases caused in the host by infection with living, and therefore replicating, microorganisms, such as animal parasites, bacteria, fungi, or viruses. Practically, these two classes of disease are the same, because infectious diseases generally are communicable, or transmissible, from one host to another, and the causative agent, therefore, is disseminated, directly or indirectly, through the host population. Such spread is an ecological phenomenon, the host serving as the environment in which the parasite lives; complexity arises when the parasite occurs in more than one host species.............. from Britannica...............https://www.britannica.com/science/disease

1 hour ago, gargamon said:

This thread is what I imagine the village idiot's convention in Minsk would be like.

Or even monty python...

The 'village idiots' are now running the show. You have my sincerest sympathy.

56 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The definition of a disease has been around a long time, and has been fully accepted by the population.

The definition of something that don't exist is indeed interesting. The population only know about disease because they are constantly told by those who profit from keeping the illusion in the mind's eye.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Of course diseases and viruses are spread from others. This is how communicable diseases work. Or are you saying that Covid, for just one, was already inside everyone who ended up with it?

Neither disease or viruses exist Sir.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Or are you saying that Covid, for just one, was already inside everyone who ended up with it?

This is stupendously incredulous Fred. COVID was a mythical, fictitious flu-like complaint that was planned around 2017, and launched in late 2019; after Event 201 and Kary Mullis' death. Why? To create fear, to get the mRNA ingredients - and whatever else - into as many arms as possible. All part of the big world-wide plan.

Anyone who took the jab must certainly feel foolish as of now. However, with some who readily rolled up their sleeves, the penny still hasn't dropped. There was no COVID!!!

Does anyone still think the medical industry is in place to keep people healthy? Hopefully no one here on AN.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The definition of something that don't exist is indeed interesting. The population only know about disease because they are constantly told by those who profit from keeping the illusion in the mind's eye.

Neither disease or viruses exist Sir.

This is stupendously incredulous Fred. Covid was a mythical, fictitious flu-like complaint that was planned around 2017, and launched in late 2019; after Event 201 and Kary Mullis' death. Why? To create fear, to get the mRNA ingredients - and whatever else - into as many arms as possible. All part of the big world-wide plan.

Anyone who took the jab must certainly feel foolish as of now. However, with some who readily rolled up their sleeves, the penny still hasn't dropped. There was no COVID!!!

Does anyone still think the medical industry is in place to keep people healthy? Hopefully no one here on AN.

Diseases were researched a century plus before people were looking at research as profit.There are many scientists that are doing their jobs because they want to help others. What you aren't realizing is that people aren't all fooled by scientists, and that some, like yourself, are going by other's opinions because they also have done the same.

You are indeed in the minority in your thinking, and the fact is, it's wrong. You might never realize why, but the others you believe in also believe this way.

There has been a ton of evidence on diseases and viruses long before Big Pharma or anyone else was trying to make a profit from it. Of course, greed has increased the last century when people figured out drugs, even thought they do work and cause side effects, are still an entity that the unscrupulous can profit large by.

That you believe Covid wasn't real, further solidifies you're naivete. People, like myself, got the jabs largely because we didn't know anything about this disease, and many couldn't travel without the vaccines, including yours truly. There's no telling if e needed them, as my symptoms of the disease were minor. maybe the vaccine helped and maybe it wasn't necessary. there is no way of ever telling as it's already done. I'm thinking you should read up a lot more on diseases before you try to convince others they don't need certain things.

Vaccines haven't killed many, but not getting one certainly has killed millions. I wouldn't want to be the one convincing another not to take a vaccine that might actually save their life later.The medical industry saves thousands of lives yearly. Some doctors who over prescribe kill thousands also. A person's best bet is to follow the Blue Zone lifestyle closely, as it's the only real proof we have of longevity in a population.

30 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Vaccines haven't killed many, but not getting one certainly has killed millions. I wouldn't want to be the one convincing another not to take a vaccine that might actually save their life later

I Totally agree!

30 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

There has been a ton of evidence on diseases and viruses long before Big Pharma or anyone else was trying to make a profit from it.

The first virus shown to be a proper entity and cause destruction of healthy tissue was Doc Enders in 1954. What a foul-up that was. Nobel prize and all the acclaim that goes with it. It was a fraud! The start of virology. A hoax discipline if ever there was one. Simply another money spinner under the nonsense 'Germ Theory' umbrella.

A look into the working of virology, epidemiology and other 'ologies would change many a mind. And top of the pops is that a virus has never been found, purified and isolated. They are 'grown' in petri-dishes and computers do the sequencing guess work. Yet to be found in nature.

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

The first virus shown to be a proper entity and cause destruction of healthy tissue was Doc Enders in 1954. What a foul-up that was. Nobel prize and all the acclaim that goes with it. It was a fraud! The start of virology. A hoax discipline if ever there was one. Simply another money spinner under the nonsense 'Germ Theory' umbrella.

A look into the working of virology, epidemiology and other 'ologies would change many a mind. And top of the pops is that a virus has never been found, purified and isolated. They are 'grown' in petri-dishes and computers do the sequencing guess work. Yet to be found in nature.

I've been thinking you're really trying to pull our legs, as no one is this obtuse about things that have been proven for decades and more.

Again, much research was done long before profit entered the minds of anyone, let alone scientists, who get into the trade because they want to help others. That it's been abused is obvious, with many believing in drugs over common sense and healthier practices. Those healthier practices might help us ward against a lot of things, but no one's immune to everything.

If you think computers are wrong in their assessments, remember who programmed those computers. I don't think BS was incorporated into the programs but viable evidence gained by research. Viruses have been isolated. Some people you believe say they haven't, with only their opinions as a rebuttal. Many things you have said that are wrong have been gospel for a very long time. Gospel only means one thing, Proven. If you make an argument, you have to remember to bring evidence to the table and not just opinions. When you say there are no such thing as germs, diseases and viruses, you lose all credibility no matter what else you may add.

17 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

A look into the working of virology, epidemiology and other 'ologies would change many a mind.

You know what?

Dr. Tom Cowan agrees with you!

I honestly don't know anything about virology, so who am I to debate?

But could be there's some dodgy science going on since human beings have been known to be dodgy.

Anyway, Tom Cowan is a strange dude. He has a bizarre theory about heart attacks. He doesn't even believe heart attacks are caused by clogged arteries.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Viruses have been isolated.

You are wrong there Fred mate.

No virus has ever been found, purified and' or isolated.

You know what the word isolation means, as do I. The only people that think isolation is growing stuff in a petri-dish soup are virologists.

The maintaining of the virus hoax is crucial to Big Pharma. Once the cat is out of the bag everything health-wise will change. For the better I must say.

note:: message to Kennedy. If you want someone to sort out the CDC, FDA and the rest of the health industry rabble', I'm here. And I'll do it for free.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You are wrong there Fred mate.

No virus has ever been found, purified and' or isolated.

You know what the word isolation means, as do I. The only people that think isolation is growing stuff in a petri-dish soup are virologists.

The maintaining of the virus hoax is crucial to Big Pharma. Once the cat is out of the bag everything health-wise will change. For the better I must say.

note:: message to Kennedy. If you want someone to sort out the CDC, FDA and the rest of the health industry rabble', I'm here. And I'll do it for free.

No, I'm actually right, as I knew about this decades ago, and the story hasn't changed. You could read the link I'll provide, but I'm sure science proven is dismissed by those opinions you believe. Big Pharma wants people to believe medicines are the only answer, which they aren't. They are necessary for many things, and wrong for others. Incompetent doctors are the problem, as they're the ones prescribing things a patient might not need, or might die from. Pharma above them only cares for profits gained.

Listening to RFK, who knows very little and looks the part, is a waste of time. he's only there because he was appointed by his buddy, and not for knowledge. And no one is going to believe someone who goes by others opinions and not time tested evidence. Again, read up on the Blue Zone lifestyle. people who get sick, use medicines, vaccines and the healthiest diets worldwide, and live the longest............https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/virus-isolation

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Listening to RFK, who knows very little and looks the part, is a waste of time. he's only there because he was appointed by his buddy, and not for knowledge.

Kennedy is a pussy cat. He is messing about with a pair of nursery safety scissors. I'd bring my woodman's axe and chain saw to the party.

I contacted Kennedy back in 2017, saying that his group - the CHD - should promote the re-evaluation of all found viruses, that there was a vaccine for. New, fully documented experiments with independent observation; to stop any shenanigans. Well that didn't happen, but on the back of that there was a drive to re-evaluate the safety and efficacy of some vaccines.

Such is the strangle-hold that Big Pharma have in the west, that even the Health Secretary is finding things tricky.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Kennedy is aa pussy cat He is messing about with a pair of nursery safety scissors. I'd bring my axe and chain saw to the party.

I contacted Kennedy back in 2017, saying that his group - the CHD - should promote the re-evaluation of all found viruses, that there was a vaccine for. New, fully documented experiments with independent observation; to stop any shenanigans. Well that didn't happen, but on the back of that there was a drive to re-evaluate the safety and efficacy of some vaccines.

Such is the strangle-hold that Big Pharma have in the west, that even the Health Secretary is finding things tricky.

But very few would listen. as most adults have computers they can research things, and the internet has everything one might need as evidence about viruses, vaccine accomplishments and diseases.

Also, as adults we have been taught in schools these same things, at least some of them, and can now research what we were taught earlier and see if there have been any changes or rebuttals as far as what the diseases and viruses are, along with facts about medicines and vaccines.

Again, when you want to argue about something, you can't post silly opinions that have been proven otherwise over a century of scientific research, much way before Big Pharma was involved.

24 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, I'm actually right, as I knew about this decades ago, and the story hasn't changed. You could read the link I'll provide, but I'm sure science proven is dismissed by those opinions you believe. Big Pharma wants people to believe medicines are the only answer, which they aren't. They are necessary for many things, and wrong for others. Incompetent doctors are the problem, as they're the ones prescribing things a patient might not need, or might die from. Pharma above them only cares for profits gained.

Listening to RFK, who knows very little and looks the part, is a waste of time. he's only there because he was appointed by his buddy, and not for knowledge. And no one is going to believe someone who goes by others opinions and not time tested evidence. Again, read up on the Blue Zone lifestyle. people who get sick, use medicines, vaccines and the healthiest diets worldwide, and live the longest............https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/virus-isolation

The first paragraph of this joke site tells it all:

"Virus isolation is defined as the process of obtaining viral isolates for characterization and supporting the development of antivirals and vaccines. It involves culturing the virus from clinical samples, which is typically performed under controlled biosafety conditions, though not recommended as a routine diagnostic procedure due to safety and time constraints."

What utter nonsense!! They don't have one to do anything with it. Cause they can't get one. Cause they don't exist.

What I was saying earlier. Their definition of isolation is different to most peoples. Cause they can't fulfil the definition of 'isolation' - which is part of the Gold Standard on lab procedures - they change the meaning. Jokers!! Dangerous jokers!

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

The first paragraph of this joke site tells it all:

"Virus isolation is defined as the process of obtaining viral isolates for characterization and supporting the development of antivirals and vaccines. It involves culturing the virus from clinical samples, which is typically performed under controlled biosafety conditions, though not recommended as a routine diagnostic procedure due to safety and time constraints."

What utter nonsense!! They don't have one to do anything with it. Cause they can't get one. Cause they don't exist.

What I was saying earlier. Their definition of isolation is different to most peoples. Cause they can't fulfil the definition of 'isolation' - which is part of the lab Gold Standard on procedures - they change the meaning. Jokers!! Dangerous jokers!

What's a fact and what's an opinion are totally different things. It doesn't matter if a hundred people all have their own opinions. Evidence gained from scientific , proven research is what matters. I believe the evidence, as it's been proven. When something is proven wrong beyond all doubt, I'll change my mind about it. Until then, I go by the4 evidence already there.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Evidence gained from scientific , proven research is what matters. I believe the evidence, as it's been proven. When something is proven wrong beyond all doubt, I'll change my mind about it. Until then, I go by the4 evidence already there.

What!? You don't believe what I'm telling you?

"Evidence gained from scientific , proven research is what matters."

Don't disagree there Fred buddy. Just point to one - just one - experiment that has found and purified a virus. Actually isolated. Not imagined to have been grown in a petri-dish.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What!? You don't believe what I'm telling you?

"Evidence gained from scientific , proven research is what matters."

Don't disagree there Fred buddy. Just point to one - just one - experiment that has found and purified a virus. Actually isolated. Not imagined to have been grown in a petri-dish.

I actually did post one before, but AI pretty much sums it up here.............Isolation in Cultured Cells: This process involves taking a sample from a patient (e.g., swab, saliva, blood) and introducing it into a laboratory environment with living host cells (cell culture) to allow the virus to replicate.

• Proof of Existence: An isolated virus can be visualized using electron microscopy, allowing researchers to see the physical virus particles.

• Verification: Once isolated, the virus can be analyzed through full genome sequencing, allowing scientists to confirm the identity of the virus and its genetic makeup. 

Examples of Isolated Viruses

• SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19): Numerous laboratories worldwide, including in Australia, Canada, Italy, and the United States, have successfully isolated SARS-CoV-2 from patient samples.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I actually did post one before, but AI pretty much sums it up here.............Isolation in Cultured Cells: This process involves taking a sample from a patient (e.g., swab, saliva, blood) and introducing it into a laboratory environment with living host cells (cell culture) to allow the virus to replicate.

I know full well what cultivating a slop of mucus in a petri-dish involves Fred mate. I've first hand knowledge of it.

It is virology nonsense. The virus, if anything, is dead matter. It cannot replicate. Not even in a petri-dish. You are reading and posting anti-science.

16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19): Numerous laboratories worldwide, including in Australia, Canada, Italy, and the United States, have successfully isolated SARS-CoV-2 from patient samples.

Oh no they haven't. This is simply not true. It's downright fraudulent scientific un-truths.

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I know full well what cultivating a slop of mucus in a petri-dish involves Fred mate. I've first hand knowledge of it.

It is virology nonsense. The virus, if anything, is dead matter. It cannot replicate. Not even in a petri-dish. You are reading and posting anti-science.

Oh no they haven't. This is simply not true. It's downright fraudulent scientific un-truths.

Like I've mentioned. You believe what others opinions have said, and I go only by evidence. Nonsense to you but factual to most everyone else. Again, when I see something other than opinion, I stick with the evidence.

32 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I stick with the evidence.

There is none for the existence of a virus Fred mate.