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Voter ID for the Midterms,News

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12 minutes ago, blaze master said:

You're very good at cut and paste ill give you that.

Thanks. I prefer to call it copy-edit-paste.

Because with many source materials, you have to make the case with only 3 sentences and a headline.

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  • Of course there are numbers to back up Trump's claims of illegals voting...

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    They should bring back the Literacy Test. As we can see from AN, few Maga cultists could pass.

  • Voter id is a good idea. The way Trump wants to implement it is the problem. A substantial portion of the population has no passport and don't know where their birth certificates are. Married women ca

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17 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Like i said the answers are here you just are so deep in the maga cult this all goes over your head.

The plain truth is you need to face reality.

Voter ID by Republicans is the same as the mid-term reality.

deal with it...


I'm quoting you as a place saver. 😂

Try some reading comprehension, life would be less painful for you.

42 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Nothing to do with being stupid, only with making it more difficult to vote.


So you're saying they are too stupid to figure it out when everyone else could.
Otherwise, why would it be difficult for them ?

19 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

So you're saying they are too stupid to figure it out when everyone else could.
Otherwise, why would it be difficult for them

It's an extra hurdle, no matter how much you like to distract with nonsense about stupidity.

How many illegals voting in the most recent elections? Hardly any, so it can't be about that. What could be another reason to make voting more difficult?

On 2/16/2026 at 8:32 AM, gargamon said:

Voter id is a good idea. The way Trump wants to implement it is the problem. A substantial portion of the population has no passport and don't know where their birth certificates are. Married women cannot vote without going through an onerous procedure to prove they are who is on their birth certificate. Etc. etc.

The SAVE act is voter suppression, pure and simple

I’m reposting Gargamon’s comments because they are spot on!

This act is nothing more than voter suppression.

Make a law that is fair and equal and all will be in favor.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

It's an extra hurdle, no matter how much you like to distract with nonsense about stupidity.

How many illegals voting in the most recent elections? Hardly any, so it can't be about that. What could be another reason to make voting more difficult?


You clearly miss the point.
Voting is a privilege, not a right. Right ?
You must be a citizen of America to vote in their elections. Right ?

If you want to vote then you MUST do whats required of you. Right ?
Showing proof of citizenship is something EVERYONE must show to vote.

Simple, huh ?

Its not anymore complicated than that.
Also, I said not a word about illegals. Thats all you, not sure why that came up actually. Almost like you're trying to make it about something its not, yup, predictable

54 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:


You clearly miss the point.
Voting is a privilege, not a right. Right ?
You must be a citizen of America to vote in their elections. Right ?

If you want to vote then you MUST do whats required of you. Right ?
Showing proof of citizenship is something EVERYONE must show to vote.

Simple, huh ?

Its not anymore complicated than that.

Unfortunately, it IS far more complicated than that! A large majority of women have changed their last names when married. If their driver's licence or passport shows their husband's family name rather than their birth name, they will not be permitted to vote. That is voter suppression.

Until I had a passport, I had no proof of citizenship. Most Americans do not have passports.

Precisely what do you recommend that they use for proof?

42 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Unfortunately, it IS far more complicated than that! A large majority of women have changed their last names when married. If their driver's licence or passport shows their husband's family name rather than their birth name, they will not be permitted to vote. That is voter suppression.

Until I had a passport, I had no proof of citizenship. Most Americans do not have passports.

Precisely what do you recommend that they use for proof?


Who's job is it to get the name changed ? Hers.

Did you know they are obligated to get it changed and there are time limits on how long you have to do it, both by municipal policy's and law.
Did you know that many court houses fille the forms out for you when you apply and pay for the marriage certificate- you did that right ?

No passport, no problem, you have your birth certificate, right ? No, well let me help you, you can go to the county court house and get a certified copy of your birth certificate, 20.00......

Don't have 20.00 - Then you don't get to vote. Thats your responsibility.
Wait, you don't have a copy of your marriage certificate ? Thats also on you.
The court house is gone, lost all the records - Then you don't get to vote until you get one. Thats also your responsibility.
(pst, I'll give you a short cut, go to the schools you were enrolled in, odds are, they have your birth certificate in your file)
If it was that important then they should have started the process earlier. Its not suppression because you failed to plan for the things that are important to you.

Voting isn't looking all that appealing if you have to do all that work, right ? Thats what I thought. Its not suppression, its lazyness

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The refusal game just fuels the fire,dead voters, bad addresses,outdated registrations

and potential cracks stay hidden while trust,election integrity, keeps eroding. No wonder folks are pissed, if the system's clean, why fight sharing the voter rolls, Cheating?

Of the 14 blue states who don't require ID here are the ones who won't turn over their voter roles.

California, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, and Washington, meaning a ton of the lax ID spots are also stonewalling voter roll transparency.

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/federal-requests-for-statewide-voter-lists

deal with it...

20 hours ago, stevenl said:

It's an extra hurdle, no matter how much you like to distract with nonsense about stupidity.

How many illegals voting in the most recent elections? Hardly any, so it can't be about that. What could be another reason to make voting more difficult?

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State Rights Love it or leave it

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S4-C1-2/ALDE_00013577/

When registering to vote, Americans are already required to verify their eligibility. But these 2 bills impose unnecessary barriers to the registration process, requiring voters to provide documentation that many don’t have.

https://campaignlegal.org/update/what-you-need-know-about-save-act

21 hours ago, stevenl said:

It's an extra hurdle, no matter how much you like to distract with nonsense about stupidity.

How many illegals voting in the most recent elections? Hardly any, so it can't be about that. What could be another reason to make voting more difficult?

How would you know how many if you don't require ID? The answer is that you can't and you don't know.

18 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:


Who's job is it to get the name changed ? Hers.

Did you know they are obligated to get it changed and there are time limits on how long you have to do it, both by municipal policy's and law.
Did you know that many court houses fille the forms out for you when you apply and pay for the marriage certificate- you did that right ?

No passport, no problem, you have your birth certificate, right ? No, well let me help you, you can go to the county court house and get a certified copy of your birth certificate, 20.00......

Don't have 20.00 - Then you don't get to vote. Thats your responsibility.
Wait, you don't have a copy of your marriage certificate ? Thats also on you.
The court house is gone, lost all the records - Then you don't get to vote until you get one. Thats also your responsibility.
(pst, I'll give you a short cut, go to the schools you were enrolled in, odds are, they have your birth certificate in your file)
If it was that important then they should have started the process earlier. Its not suppression because you failed to plan for the things that are important to you.

Voting isn't looking all that appealing if you have to do all that work, right ? Thats what I thought. Its not suppression, its lazyness

Time and time again you're admitting potential voters would have to take additional actions. Actions they don't have to take in day to day life. So that's making it more difficult to vote for legitimate voters. Which is called voter suppression

1 hour ago, impulse said:

How would you know how many if you don't require ID? The answer is that you can't and you don't know.

Only if living in a bubble you don't know.

16 hours ago, riclag said:

The refusal game just fuels the fire

The voter roll demand just fuels the fire. It's illegal and there's no indication of fraud.

13 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The voter roll demand just fuels the fire. It's illegal and there's no indication of fraud.

If there's nothing to hide, why have they been fighting so hard and so long to keep it hidden?

29 minutes ago, impulse said:

If there's nothing to hide, why have they been fighting so hard and so long to keep it hidden?

Because it has nothing to do with the feds, wo are trying to expend their powers.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Time and time again you're admitting potential voters would have to take additional actions. Actions they don't have to take in day to day life. So that's making it more difficult to vote for legitimate voters. Which is called voter suppression


Nothing additional.
They are they same exact steps everyone else takes.

So what mystery steps do they need to do that nobody else has had to do ?

I'll wait but the answer is ZERO.

I know its a struggle and I know you'll deflect and NOT show the class the extra steps (because there are none) and try and change the subject again.
They don't get extra help for being lazy, but you know that.

18 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:


Nothing additional.
They are they same exact steps everyone else takes.

So what mystery steps do they need to do that nobody else has had to do ?

I'll wait but the answer is ZERO.

I know its a struggle and I know you'll deflect and NOT show the class the extra steps (because there are none) and try and change the subject again.
They don't get extra help for being lazy, but you know that.

They live their lives without the voter ID requirement. It doesn't matter what steps everyone else takes. For them it's additional steps to meet the requirement in order to vote.

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

They live their lives without the voter ID requirement. It doesn't matter what steps everyone else takes. For them it's additional steps to meet the requirement in order to vote.


So they are choosing to NOT do what it takes. Thats exactly what I thought.
I just wanted you to have to say it out loud

So theres ZERO suppression. Nice how that works huh ?

3 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:


So they are choosing to NOT do what it takes. Thats exactly what I thought.
I just wanted you to have to say it out loud

So theres ZERO suppression. Nice how that works huh ?

Additional steps to vote. Therefore voter suppression.

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53 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Additional steps to vote. Therefore voter suppression.


So what steps are they doing that nobody else does ?

I said it as slow as I can so I don't hurt anyones feelings

24 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

So what steps are they doing that nobody else does ?

Again, it doesn't matter what steps others take. It is additional steps for the people involved, therefore voter suppression.

22 minutes ago, stevenl said:

therefore voter suppression

of course it is, suppression of election fraud, voting fraud, cheating, illegal aliens voting etc.

It's why more than 80% of all Americans approve of Save Act. Voter ID is controversial ONLY for those who want to cheat in US elections. Trump and honest law abiding Americans approve of fair elections and "suppressing" voter fraud. Save ACT makes it harder to cheat and the democrats can't win unless they can cheat in elections.

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Didn't kamala harris win ONLY blue states that don't require voter ID?

Of the 19 states Kamala won, 12 didn't require photo ID.

Of the 30 states Trump won, 28 had voter ID.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Again, it doesn't matter what steps others take. It is additional steps for the people involved, therefore voter suppression.


You're right it is and your side is going to lose. To think they were the best and brightest in their first race and can't figure out how to vote.
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Actually, SAVE is not mainly about having a picture ID when you vote in person -- it's about finally making sure that the law about being a citizen to register to vote -- is finally solidified. For a comprehensive, and balanced, view of this subject, read here:

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/five-things-to-know-about-the-save-act/

One of the takeaways in this article is that, too many citizens can't prove their citizenship via birth certificates or passports. Thus, the article suggests "back end verification," whereby the govt uses their data to verify citizenship status -- and should be included in the SAVE bill. Certainly this makes sense, since the incidence of non citizens registering to vote has been minuscule -- and the real danger is denying real citizens from registering to vote. But, having said that, making sure voter registration is restricted to citizens -- needs tightening up.

[And, once registered, a plain vanilla photo ID, matching you with your registration, should not be a serious concern -- there are support groups out there who can help.]

Why would Trump Inc push SAVE so vocally? Well, I'll interject this:

This expansion has triggered an extraordinary partisan debate over the legitimacy of the election, with President Trump and some supporters insisting that widespread vote-by-mail massively favors the Democratic Party and invites fraud.

https://siepr.stanford.edu/publications/policy-brief/how-does-vote-mail-change-american-elections

So, those mail-in Democrats need to be squashed. Ah, SAVE to the rescue:

For voters who register by mail, the SAVE America Act requires documentary proof of citizenship to be delivered in person to an election office, effectively nullifying the benefits of mail registration. At the same time, the legislation does not clearly specify how documentary proof must be submitted for online registration, leaving election officials without clear guidance on acceptable delivery methods. This ambiguity increases the risk of inconsistent implementation across jurisdictions and places election officials in the position of making high-stakes judgment calls without clear statutory direction.

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/five-things-to-know-about-the-save-act/

Anyway, we know where Trump is coming from, and the two articles I reference above provide a lot of clarification. And, there's a lot of evidence that the status quo says that fraudulent voter registration, and fraudulent voting, are too small to matter. Yes, tightening up registration safeguards is a good plan for the future. Now, however, with less than a year until the mid term elections -- putting SAVE on hold seems best. What are the real dangers?: Narcissism, MAGA Republicans, and phony electors in 2028.

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49 minutes ago, JimGant said:

Actually, SAVE is not mainly about having a picture ID when you vote in person -- it's about finally making sure that the law about being a citizen to register to vote -- is finally solidified. For a comprehensive, and balanced, view of this subject, read here:

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/article/five-things-to-know-about-the-save-act/

One of the takeaways in this article is that, too many citizens can't prove their citizenship via birth certificates or passports. Thus, the article suggests "back end verification," whereby the govt uses their data to verify citizenship status -- and should be included in the SAVE bill. Certainly this makes sense, since the incidence of non citizens registering to vote has been minuscule -- and the real danger is denying real citizens from registering to vote. But, having said that, making sure voter registration is restricted to citizens -- needs tightening up.

[And, once registered, a plain vanilla photo ID, matching you with your registration, should not be a serious concern -- there are support groups out there who can help.]

Why would Trump Inc push SAVE so vocally? Well, I'll interject this:

So, those mail-in Democrats need to be squashed. Ah, SAVE to the rescue:

Anyway, we know where Trump is coming from, and the two articles I reference above provide a lot of clarification. And, there's a lot of evidence that the status quo says that fraudulent voter registration, and fraudulent voting, are too small to matter. Yes, tightening up registration safeguards is a good plan for the future. Now, however, with less than a year until the mid term elections -- putting SAVE on hold seems best. What are the real dangers?: Narcissism, MAGA Republicans, and phony electors in 2028.

If citizenship proof is the rule, reasonable patriots will handle it like any other important doc. Plenty of time before November . A reasonable US citizen who wants to accomplish their patriotic duty,voting ,best be using due diligence in Obtaining a Birth certificate .

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