When migrants leave, they take other jobs with them.

In a press release, the White House posits the equation: "Mass deportations equal lower housing costs, higher wages, more jobs, less crime."

But... the vast majority of Americans can by no means suddenly afford a house simply because migrants are no longer living there.

Trump's immigration policies are having a devastating impact on the labor market.

The deported migrants are missing from the labor market. This is a major problem, especially in the low-wage sector, because that's where most of them work—the jobs that demand the most labor. They make up over 40 percent of all US workers in agriculture, 30 percent in food production and construction, and over 20 percent in the service sector.

Generally speaking, they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to do.

The Economic Policy Institute, which is affiliated with labor unions, estimates that Trump's planned mass deportations will eliminate 2.6 million US jobs. This is because if immigrant bricklayers and roofers build fewer houses, American electricians and plumbers will also have less work.

"There is no evidence that domestic workers are filling these jobs, no boom in automation investments, or noticeable wage increases in these sectors," writes the Peterson Institute of International Economics.

What threatens the US with Trump's historic shift in migration and tariffs can already be observed in Great Britain

The UK's experience with Brexit serves as an economic testing ground for the US economy. Similar strategies were tested there, strategies that Trump is now applying overseas: hiding behind high trade barriers and massively restricting migration. The result: Britain's annual economic output is now six to eight percent lower than it would have been without leaving the EU, as a recent study by the National Bureau of Economic Research has shown. Three to four percent of all jobs were lost.

Even the Trump administration has now tacitly acknowledged this reality

Where the labor shortage is most severe, it has already reversed course: In the summer, Trump's Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins boasted that the goal was "100 percent American workers" on US farms. However, since then, ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) has effectively halted all operations in the agricultural sector.

Last November, the government even launched a new program to recruit foreign farm workers

Behind the scenes, it is questioning its own deportation policy. The Trump Department of Labor admitted in the Federal Journal of Labor—without making a big deal of it—that it does not believe "sufficient numbers of qualified, eligible, and willing American workers can be found to replace the many foreigners who are now no longer coming into the country."

Another dishonest article from the Trump obsessed left. From the article:

"They make up over 40 percent of all US workers in agriculture, 30 percent in food production and construction, and over 20 percent in the service sector.

Generally speaking, they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to do."

Clearly, this is a bold-faced lie.

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Clearly, this is a bold-faced lie.

54 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

When migrants leave, they take other jobs with them.

In a press release, the White House posits the equation: "Mass deportations equal lower housing costs, higher wages, more jobs, less crime."

But... the vast majority of Americans can by no means suddenly afford a house simply because migrants are no longer living there.

Trump's immigration policies are having a devastating impact on the labor market.

The deported migrants are missing from the labor market. This is a major problem, especially in the low-wage sector, because that's where most of them work—the jobs that demand the most labor. They make up over 40 percent of all US workers in agriculture, 30 percent in food production and construction, and over 20 percent in the service sector.

Generally speaking, they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to do.

The Economic Policy Institute, which is affiliated with labor unions, estimates that Trump's planned mass deportations will eliminate 2.6 million US jobs. This is because if immigrant bricklayers and roofers build fewer houses, American electricians and plumbers will also have less work.

"There is no evidence that domestic workers are filling these jobs, no boom in automation investments, or noticeable wage increases in these sectors," writes the Peterson Institute of International Economics.

What threatens the US with Trump's historic shift in migration and tariffs can already be observed in Great Britain

The UK's experience with Brexit serves as an economic testing ground for the US economy. Similar strategies were tested there, strategies that Trump is now applying overseas: hiding behind high trade barriers and massively restricting migration. The result: Britain's annual economic output is now six to eight percent lower than it would have been without leaving the EU, as a recent study by the National Bureau of Economic Research has shown. Three to four percent of all jobs were lost.

Even the Trump administration has now tacitly acknowledged this reality

Where the labor shortage is most severe, it has already reversed course: In the summer, Trump's Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins boasted that the goal was "100 percent American workers" on US farms. However, since then, ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) has effectively halted all operations in the agricultural sector.

Last November, the government even launched a new program to recruit foreign farm workers

Behind the scenes, it is questioning its own deportation policy. The Trump Department of Labor admitted in the Federal Journal of Labor—without making a big deal of it—that it does not believe "sufficient numbers of qualified, eligible, and willing American workers can be found to replace the many foreigners who are now no longer coming into the country."

The issue isn't with immigrants... Once again it's illegal immigrants. .. Why cant you understand that!

Some illegal immigrants are actually hardened criminals, the others well they broke the law too, so they too need to leave and return the proper way!

1 hour ago, Thailand J said:

1 hour ago, Thailand J said:

Your post supports my claim that: "Generally speaking, they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to do." is a bold-faced lie."

50 minutes ago, ericthai said:

The issue isn't with immigrants... Once again it's illegal immigrants. .. Why cant you understand that!

Some illegal immigrants are actually hardened criminals, the others well they broke the law too, so they too need to leave and return the proper way!

The left are liars and always have to conflate the two.

21 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The left are liars and always have to conflate the two.

Yes so true I always thought those 40000+ lies Trump told

obviously relate to the period when he was a

Democrat !!!!

38 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

egregious

obviously relate to the period when he was a

Democrat !!!!

What think are the five most egregious lies Trump has told? You have no idea do you? All you can do is regurgitate

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Another dishonest article from the Trump obsessed left. From the article:

"They make up over 40 percent of all US workers in agriculture, 30 percent in food production and construction, and over 20 percent in the service sector.

Generally speaking, they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to do."

Clearly, this is a bold-faced lie.

Clearly, you have offered no evidence to support your claim that "this is a boldfaced lie." What is clear is that an assertion unsupported by evidence is worthless.

I can certainly thrive without the taco food truck.

7 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What think are the five most egregious lies Trump has told? You have no idea do you? All you can do is regurgitate

Yes your right . .where do we start?

7 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Clearly, you have offered no evidence to support your claim that "this is a boldfaced lie." What is clear is that an assertion unsupported by evidence is worthless.

It might even be considered, itself, a "bold faced lie"!

11 hours ago, Schoggibueb said:

The Trump Department of Labor admitted in the Federal Journal of Labor—without making a big deal of it—that it does not believe "sufficient numbers of qualified, eligible, and willing American workers can be found to replace the many foreigners who are now no longer coming into the country.

So who exactly is now trying to spread lies?

The Trump Department of labor or the MAGAs?

Can we stop calling each other liars? if you don't agree with the facts shown, just show us your findings.

3 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

Yes your right . .where do we start?

Start with what you think is the worst.

10 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Clearly, you have offered no evidence to support your claim that "this is a boldfaced lie." What is clear is that an assertion unsupported by evidence is worthless.

Unlike you, I am not relegated to regurgitation, and I understand basic arithmetic. Assuming: "They make up over 40 percent of all US workers in agriculture, 30 percent in food production and construction, and over 20 percent in the service sector." is true, then "Generally speaking, they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to do." cannot be true.

Per the OPs regurgitation, Americans make up over 60 percent of all US workers in agriculture, 70 percent in food production and construction, and over 80 percent in the service sector, so clearly Americans will do those jobs.

And as labor becomes scarcer and wages go up, more Americans will be willing to do that work.

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Unlike you, I am not relegated to regurgitation, and I understand basic arithmetic. Assuming: "They make up over 40 percent of all US workers in agriculture, 30 percent in food production and construction, and over 20 percent in the service sector." is true, then "Generally speaking, they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to do." cannot be true.

Per the OPs regurgitation, Americans make up over 60 percent of all US workers in agriculture, 70 percent in food production and construction, and over 80 percent in the service sector, so clearly Americans will do those jobs.

And as labor becomes scarcer and wages go up, more Americans will be willing to do that work.

Whether more Americans will be willing to do this kind of work for higher pay is a matter of conjecture based on the notion that levels of employment don't very depending on the actual tasks. Agriculture for example covers a huge variety of jobs. So just because in aggregate a majority of workers in agriculture are US citizens, that doesn't mean that enough will be willing to do stoop labor or work in dairy farms. There's a big difference between driving a harvester in an air-conditioned cab or picking strawberries under a blazing sun.

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Another dishonest article from the Trump obsessed left. From the article:

"They make up over 40 percent of all US workers in agriculture, 30 percent in food production and construction, and over 20 percent in the service sector.

Generally speaking, they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to do."

Clearly, this is a bold-faced lie.

Well, which is it:

13 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

• ".... they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to do." (the type of work)

• .... they are working in jobs that US citizens don't want to take because the salary and benefits are so low.

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Whether more Americans will be willing to do this kind of work for higher pay is a matter of conjecture based on the notion that levels of employment don't very depending on the actual tasks. Agriculture for example covers a huge variety of jobs. So just because in aggregate a majority of workers in agriculture are US citizens, that doesn't mean that enough will be willing to do stoop labor or work in dairy farms. There's a big difference between driving a harvester in an air-conditioned cab or picking strawberries under a blazing sun.

Is it your position that paying more money, does not make jobs more attractive?

That has not been my experience.

1 minute ago, scorecard said:

Well, which is it:

Which is what? I do not understand your question.

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Is it your position that paying more money, does not make jobs more attractive?

That has not been my experience.

Another way to put that. Is it your position that paying more money does not make jobs less unattractive?

Maybe not less unattractive enough. Some jobs like stoop labor result in long term physical impairment. Slaughterhouses are dangerous places to work. Given the high level of lack of fitness among Americans, such jobs would be especially taxing.

12 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

Yes so true I always thought those 40000+ lies Trump told

obviously relate to the period when he was a

Democrat !!!!

8 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Whether more Americans will be willing to do this kind of work for higher pay is a matter of conjecture based on the notion that levels of employment don't very depending on the actual tasks. Agriculture for example covers a huge variety of jobs. So just because in aggregate a majority of workers in agriculture are US citizens, that doesn't mean that enough will be willing to do stoop labor or work in dairy farms. There's a big difference between driving a harvester in an air-conditioned cab or picking strawberries under a blazing sun.

Driving a "harvester in an air-conditioned cab" is only a few weeks a year, as is "picking strawberries under a blazing sun.", and the pickers are most always in the country legally.

Do you think ICE is going after farm workers in all these urban areas?

I put up hay and picked oranges back in the '70s, you?

In any event, it would be a shame if you had to pay a bit more for your precious berries such that the pickers can earn a "living" wage.

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Driving a "harvester in an air-conditioned cab" is only a few weeks a year, as is "picking strawberries under a blazing sun.", and the pickers are most always in the country legally.

Do you think ICE is going after farm workers in all these urban areas?

I put up hay and picked oranges back in the '70s, you?

In any event, it would be a shame if you had to pay a bit more for your precious berries such that the pickers can earn a "living" wage.

The question is whether or not Americans are willing to suffer permanent damage to their health to do these jobs or just put up with extreme discomfort. Especially given the lack of fitness prevalent among the US adult population.

There are no signs whatsoever that mass deportations have improved the American economy or US Society on any level. There are signs that thousands of small businesses are closing, tens of thousands of farmers are losing their multi generational farms, inflation is up, unemployment is up, people graduating from college are having a very hard time finding a job, and consumer confidence is the lowest that it's been in the last 50 years, in my opinion as a businessman who has a business in America.

Trump has been an unmitigated disaster his administration is a circus full of clowns and he gets an F grade, Trump the miserable man, has failed miserably.

7 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Another way to put that. Is it your position that paying more money does not make jobs less unattractive?

Maybe not less unattractive enough. Some jobs like stoop labor result in long term physical impairment. Slaughterhouses are dangerous places to work. Given the high level of lack of fitness among Americans, such jobs would be especially taxing.

People work because they need money, not because they want to.

Stoop labor? You're a hoot,

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Stoop labor? You're a hoot,

You have a strange sense of humor:

Stoop Labor is referred to as labor that requires farm workers to harvest produce in a stooping or squatting position. This type of labor is significantly taxing on the body and often leads to chronic back problems in farm workers.

https://scalar.usc.edu/works/us-latinx-activism-and-protests/stoop-labor

Three Reasons Stooping and Squatting Postures Are a Chronic Problem for Growers

https://safesitehq.com/stooping-squatting-postures-chronic/#:~:text=This%20is%20a%20question%20growers,primary%20risk%20factor%20of%20LBDs.

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

People work because they need money, not because they want to.

That doesn't mean that they'll take any job. Especially ones that endanger their physical well-being.

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You have a strange sense of humor:

Stoop Labor is referred to as labor that requires farm workers to harvest produce in a stooping or squatting position. This type of labor is significantly taxing on the body and often leads to chronic back problems in farm workers.

https://scalar.usc.edu/works/us-latinx-activism-and-protests/stoop-labor

Three Reasons Stooping and Squatting Postures Are a Chronic Problem for Growers

https://safesitehq.com/stooping-squatting-postures-chronic/#:~:text=This%20is%20a%20question%20growers,primary%20risk%20factor%20of%20LBDs.

Yeah, the bulk of which are done by people with H-2A temporary agricultural worker visas, yes?

In any event, I can do without strawberries.

16 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

That doesn't mean that they'll take any job. Especially ones that endanger their physical well-being.

They won't as long as they're paid to stay home.

People like you are too good to do work like that, people like me are not.