1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Not a peep out of China or Russia?

They are both allies with Iran ...

If either gets involved, then all hell will break loose for sure.

What are they going to say?

10 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Any small boat can lay a mine. A guarantee from Trump is no security. Ask any of his contractors.

The US Navy better have plenty of minesweepers. It's going to need them.

Are you saying that a USDFC Policy would not be paid?

How many boats does Iran have LOL

14 hours ago, save the frogs said:

So they need permanent US navy stationed there to patrol?

Not sure how that works ...

Who said permanent ?
Show me on the doll

12 hours ago, khaosokman said:

Shared by UAE, Oman and Iran before. Each country allowed access to territorial waters.

The terrorists now say they control it.

UAE ? Since when ?

Amid war in Iran, the White House misunderstands how political risk insurance works -- March 5, 2026

On the evening of March 3, the White House shared a mysterious statement. It read in part:

“I have ordered the United States Development Finance Corporation (DFC) to provide, at a very reasonable price, political risk insurance and guarantees for the Financial Security of ALL Maritime Trade…”

This post from the White House, amid American airstrikes in Iran, suggests that the president does not understand how this type of insurance works. A bedrock principle of insurance is that a covered loss must be “fortuitous.” This means that a loss must be unexpected.

https://www.rstreet.org/commentary/amid-war-in-iran-the-white-house-misunderstands-how-political-risk-insurance-works/

Well, ladies and germs, after some digging, I think I may have answered my own question.

The Strait of Hermuz was previously run by .... (drum roll) .... the good folks in London -- ie insured by Lloyd's of London

So seems like a power grab from the UK empire to the US empire

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/03/04/trump-promises-gulf-ships-cheap-insurance-lloyds-of-london/

Trump promises Gulf ships cheap insurance as London rivals cancel policies

US president’s vow to underwrite tankers at ‘very reasonable price’ is a challenge to Lloyd’s of London

Trump is now officially a cheap insurance salesman.

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

What are they going to say?

This guy gives a theory on why they had to attack Iran.

It's because of China.

Over the past couple of years, it has become China's biggest ally in the Middle East, so it now has the power to cut off 25% of the world's oil supply at will.

Also, Iran has recently received hypersonic missiles that can fly at Mach 3 and do serious damage to US naval ships in the region.

NOT the nuclear weapons nonsense Trump keeps pointing out.

But I guess they use the nuclear weapons argument to dumb it down for the general population.

So Iran, because it's getting closer to China and being armed by China, is becoming too much of a threat.

So China decided to do nothing and say nothing.

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

This guy gives a theory on why they had to attack Iran.

It's because of China.

Over the past couple of years, it has become China's biggest ally in the Middle East, so it now has the power to cut off 25% of the world's oil supply at will.

Also, Iran has recently received hypersonic missiles that can fly at Mach 3 and do serious damage to US naval ships in the reason.

NOT the nuclear weapons nonsense Trump keeps pointing out.

But I guess they use the nuclear weapons argument to dumb it down for the general population.

So Iran, because it's getting closer to China and being armed by China, is becoming too much of a threat.

So China decided to do nothing and say nothing.

That's the main reason the US joined in. Israel was going to attack anyway.

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

What are they going to say?

And Iran was probably thrown under the bus by China.

Since they were acquiring missiles and had these deals, they probably thought they were invulnerable to US attack and that China would come to their defense.

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

And Iran was probably thrown under the bus by China.

Since they were acquiring missiles and had these deals, they probably thought they were invulnerable to US attack and that China would come to their defense.

Both China and Russia will throw North Korea or Iran under a bus if they have too. You can never trust them. They are the Alphas and the other two the Betas.

21 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

That's the main reason the US joined in. Israel was going to attack anyway.

The guy in the video is an Israeli.

He says the conspiracy that Israel controls the US is stupid.

US is there to protect it's own interests.

And Israel is protecting its interests, so they teamed up.

Just now, save the frogs said:

The guy in the video is an Israeli.

He says the conspiracy that Israel controls the US is stupid.

US is there to protect it's own interests.

And Israel is protecting its interests, so they teamed up.

Then he is smart.

17 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, the illegal war is against Iran.

But it’s being persecuted by Israel and the U.S.

The war can only be stopped if both Israel and the U.S. stop.

Where are the legal wars being fought?

4 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Where are the legal wars being fought?

From the information I've gathered, seems justified.

If the other guy is planning to kill you or harm your business interests, it's valid.

6 minutes ago, khaosokman said:

Where are the legal wars being fought?

some people will use this as an argument to get trump out of there.

19 hours ago, khaosokman said:

Israel was going to attack. Iran are the terrorists. You support terrorists.

And you have a complete and total ability to see nuance in anything and everything. For you all is black and white, and the shades of grey just do not exist in your world. It must be challenging to occupy that position.

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

And you have a complete and total ability to see nuance in anything and everything. For you all is black and white, and the shades of grey just do not exist in your world. It must be challenging to occupy that position.

I blame Trump, Vance and Musk.

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

some people will use this as an argument to get trump out of there.

The legality of wars is based on UN votes. The UN is corrupt.

19 hours ago, khaosokman said:

Not really, just nuke Iran 3 times. Be all over then.

What about the innocent people who demonstrated against the regime? Are you saying nuke the women and children?

4 hours ago, khaosokman said:

The legality of wars is based on UN votes. The UN is corrupt.

The legality of war under US law depends on not saying there is war. NY Times headline this morn:

Republicans Toil to Avoid Saying ‘War’ as Iran Conflict Widens

Mission? Hostilities? Don’t call it a war, say G.O.P. lawmakers grappling with the political and legal challenges of the operation in the Middle East.

4 hours ago, khaosokman said:

The legality of wars is based on UN votes. The UN is corrupt.

Corruption stems from the top and "THE" UN has been controlled by the US since it hijacked the San Francisco conference in 1945.

The original concept as oulined in the 1942 'Declaration by United Nations' was thrown out the window.

"From 28 November to 1 December 1943, President Roosevelt, Prime Minister Churchill and the Premier of the USSR, Joseph Stalin, met at a conference in Tehran, where they again confirmed their common policy, notably expressing their determination that their nations “shall work together in war and in the peace that will follow”, recognizing “the supreme responsibility resting upon us and all the United Nations to make a peace which will command the goodwill of the overwhelming mass of the peoples of the world and banish the scourge and terror of war for many generations”.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/history-of-the-un/preparatory-years

23 hours ago, khaosokman said:

So you would have let Iran develop nukes and long range missiles.

Not sure where you get your facts from but you go with that propaganda trump and his minions are spewing. They cant even keep their own stories straight on what the status was leading up to bombing a country in negotiations and compliance.

Ok trumpettes let the spin begin.

28 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Corruption stems from the top and "THE" UN has been controlled by the US since it hijacked the San Francisco conference in 1945.

The original concept as oulined in the 1942 'Declaration by United Nations' was thrown out the window.

"From 28 November to 1 December 1943, President Roosevelt, Prime Minister Churchill and the Premier of the USSR, Joseph Stalin, met at a conference in Tehran, where they again confirmed their common policy, notably expressing their determination that their nations “shall work together in war and in the peace that will follow”, recognizing “the supreme responsibility resting upon us and all the United Nations to make a peace which will command the goodwill of the overwhelming mass of the peoples of the world and banish the scourge and terror of war for many generations”.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/history-of-the-un/preparatory-years

Wrong, as usual ... Five of the UN founding members and the 5 permanent members of UN Security Council, are the only members that have veto rights. Which gives each of them, total & equal control over any resolution put forward.

They also happen to be 5 of the top arms suppliers of the world, keeping the world safe of course, or not

From AI ...

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

some people will use this as an argument to get trump out of there.

As they should. This is just one more example of his lack of ability to hold the office and execute the duties properly

23 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Wrong, as usual ... Five of the UN founding members and the 5 permanent members of UN Security Council, are the only members that have veto rights. Which gives each of them, total & equal control over any resolution put forward.

They also happen to be 5 of the top arms suppliers of the world, keeping the world safe of course, or not

From AI ...

The only thing wrong here is you trying to rubbish the pre 1945 discussions.

Remind us, who engineered The Yalta Solution.

17 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The only thing wrong here is you trying to rubbish the pre 1945 discussions.

Remind us, who engineered The Yalta Solution.

Discussion vs REALITY ... just admit you were wrong

On 3/7/2026 at 3:40 PM, KhunLA said:

Discussion vs REALITY ... just admit you were wrong

If you want to believe there were no discussions pre 1945, up to you.

At the end of the day we all know who the greatest warmonger has been.

5 minutes ago, sandyf said:

If you want to believe there were no discussions pre 1945, up to you.

At the end of the day we all know who the greatest warmonger has been.

More deflection, and you just won't admit, you were wrong. 'US does NOT control the UN'

If they did, then the other 4 members wouldn't have the exact same veto power. How is that hard to understand.

Discussions are about laying down the groundwork and the rules of to follow. What actually becomes the rule, and governing powers agreed upon, the 'UN Charter' on 24 Oct 1945 is all that matters. Not what was talked about or considered before hand.

Feel free to read the 'UN Charter' and get back to us, pointing out how the USA has control. More than the other 4: UK, FR, CN, RU

Until then, have a nice day. The underlined text is why the UN is a joke.

On 3/5/2026 at 8:23 AM, save the frogs said:

What I don't get is who was controlling it before ??

In hindsight, he looks kind of silly now.