Can't blame then. Here's the pattern that is now stuck on "Replay:"

"Iraq was destroyed. Syria was destroyed. Libya was destroyed. And now the same thing is happening to Iran, for the second time in a row."

— Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov on the US pattern in the Middle East.

Add Afghanistan, Vietnam, Yeman, Somalia, Sudan, and a host of other countries that were bombed or overthrown.

It's pretty much summed up in this quote by Neo-con historian, Michael Ledeen commonly referred to as "The Ledeen Doctrine:"
"Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."

And there you have US foreign policy in a nutshell. Their problem is, however, when from excessive hubris they pick peer and near-peer adversaries and attempt to "throw them against the wall...". The US went into this with no planning other that Trump's "gut feelings." Iran saw the writing on the wall after the US supplied Iraq with chemical weapons during the Iraq/Iran War, and then in 2003 after Bush Jr decided to use the now discounted "Weapons of Mass Destruction" as a casus belli to attack Iraq (where US troop now refuse to leave). Now the US uses all of the same excuses that it's used to attack Libya, Iraq, and Syria in order to justify attacking Iran. Yeah - I expect this to end badly as it always does for the US as Iran has been planning for EXACT this war for over two decades.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Completely forgetting what Iran has done these last decades of course.

Not at all.

Non of what Iran have done justifies this illegal Israeli/US war of aggression.

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The US always sees themsleves as the good guys who everyone should love who guzzle 25% of the world's resources whilst having 5% of the world's population - you just don't get it.

I lived there 62 years. I know what's gone on. I've been waiting for a good president for decades. They all have done good and bad, and trying to be the world's police has mistakes being made, and sometimes power is all you have to rid the evil, and with it comes collateral damage. I don't like seeing the US trashed for the actions of some, just as I don't see any country as being bad but some leaders need to go.

The world will be a much better place when it figures out how to curtail evil without hurting innocents, but evil is created at home, daily, and all over, so how do you change that from happening?

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Not at all.

Non of what Iran have done justifies this illegal Israeli/US war of aggression.

I'm still waiting for an alternative. Some people will not negotiate and fearing some is legitimate from actions and past actions and words.

1 minute ago, connda said:

Can't blame then. Here's the pattern that is now stuck on "Replay:"

"Iraq was destroyed. Syria was destroyed. Libya was destroyed. And now the same thing is happening to Iran, for the second time in a row."

— Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov on the US pattern in the Middle East.

Add Afghanistan, Vietnam, and a host of other countries that were bombed or overthrown.

It's pretty much summed up in this quote by Neo-con historian, Michael Ledeen commonly referred to as "The Ledeen Doctrine:"
"Every ten years or so, the United States needs to pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business."

Meanwhilke China build and trades and doesn't start wars and that's why it's winning. All empires die the same way with mad Emporers at the end and imperial overeach and hubris. The US is no different.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I lived there 62 years. I know what's gone on. I've been waiting for a good president for decades. They all have done good and bad, and trying to be the world's police has mistakes being made, and sometimes power is all you have to rid the evil, and with it comes collateral damage. I don't like seeing the US trashed for the actions of some, just as I don't see any country as being bad but some leaders need to go.

The world will be a much better place when it figures out how to curtail evil without hurting innocents, but evil is created at home, daily, and all over, so how do you change that from happening?

I agree but we don't live in that world.You can only change yourself not the world and winning battles on a niche aging expat forum is porbably a fool's errand like no other ! <message to myself>

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Exactly as none of us here, especially those who aren't Americans themselves and those who haven't any military in their families only know what we are being told by the medias. I'm sure no one wants to see Iran's regime overcoming the US, which would see more attacks worldwide. Can't let evil win no matter where it starts.

That's exactly why I'm against US/Israeli aggression. Can't let evil win!

2 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

That's exactly why I'm against US/Israeli aggression. Can't let evil win!

Again, look at what the US has done for peace, even if their actions caused damage along the way. It's not an evil country. It's citizens and others living there are all nations in one place, and they live and moved there for a reason.

21 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm still waiting for an alternative. Some people will not negotiate and fearing some is legitimate from actions and past actions and words.

Containment worked. How many times has Iran attacked the US homeland? Yes, the US wants to defend its Allies like Israel. But it showed zero interest in protecting Britain from Libyan supplied, American funded munitions used to kill British soldiers and citizens. Didn't really affect the Homeland.

When is the US bombing campaign against the evilness of the Moscow regime going to start, if US policy is driven by some concept of confrinting evil?

In the end you are defending the actions of a government that is desperate to distract from revelations and embarassments contained within the papers of a long dead Jewish financer and blackmailer.

Why did this bombing campaign need to start in February 2026, when the US is actually looking at imminent threats to the homeland from China and Russia. The world was told by your President that the threat from China is so serious he was willing to risk the integrity of an 80 year old alliance to confront it, and start seizing territory from its allies, starting with Greenland.

2 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

Containment worked. How many times has Iran attacked the US homeland? Yes, the US wants to defend its Allies like Israel. But it showed zero interest in protecting Britain from Libyan supplied, American funded munitions used to kill British soldiers and citizens. Didn't really affect the Homeland.

When is the US bombing campaign against the evilness of the Moscow regime going to start, if US policy is driven by some concept of confrinting evil?

In the end you are defending the actions of a government that is desperate to distract from revelations and embarassments contained within the papers of a long dead Jewish financer and blackmailer.

Why did this bombing campaign need to start in February 2026, when the US is actually looking at imminent threats to the homeland from China and Russia. The world was told by your President that the threat from China is so serious he was willing to risk the integrity of an 80 year old alliance to confront it, and start seizing territory from its allies, starting with Greenland.

4 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

There is no threat to the US homeland by anyone, let alone China or Russia. Russia can't even handle the Ukraine. You think they'd have a chance against the US? The US has tried to help many countries by supplying money and it backfired because some people you just cannot trust, just as it happens to us as individuals.

Trying to have trade with every country is a much needed goal, but again, maniacs are trained from birth, and you can't stop their parents as it's done all over and they learned it from their parents, or by following a cult leader because their parents weren't around to teach them how life is supposed to be. Thinking this is all about trump trying to deflect from the Epstein files is quite a stretch, although I wouldn't put it past him, but this was necessary all along anyway, and it's all about good or bad timing.

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The Iranians are the aggressors.

Very nice - victim blaming. Create agitation propaganda, spread it on your domestic MSM, bomb Iran, blame Iran.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

The Chemicals that were sold to Iraq were under European control. The Mustard gas components came from Germany. Almost all of the chemicals were German or Dutch sourced. If you want to blame the USA or Israel at least get your facts straight. Israel was backing Iran. Germans had built the plant where the gas munitions were manufactured. It was done with the full knowledge of Germany and the EU.

The Gulf Arabs were backing Iraq and they pressured the USA to help Iraq since Iran was in a state of hostility against the USA.

Iraq invaded Kuwait. Iraq started the hostilities that culminated years later with the removal of the despot maniac.

None of this excuses or justifies the Iranian involvement in Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Gaza and Iraq. Yours is the typical biased European mindset that seeks to blame everyone else for a legacy of European failures and greed. It was the EU that facilitated and enabled the Iranian enrichment of Uranium. First it started with Kraftwerk Union (KWU, a Siemens subsidiary) then it progressed through diplomatic enablement tools like agreements that provided cover for Iran's nuclear ambitions. Although Pakistan was a critical reason for the current enriched uranium, with parts were often sourced from the EU and UK because of a failure to intervene or to control the exports. Canada was an easy safe refuge for purchasing, as were EU based companies that helped conceal purchases and launder funds.

It is not as simple as you want it to be, the dual export license and trust, was made because usa approved, even they had intelligence chemical weapons was used, and would be used. The Cia files that later was released, did in fact cover most of it, but who reads,and who cares now?

I will find it, still in the car, and home soon. Waste of time basically, because you already have made up your mind how things are i your reality, so ? Europes fault, Usa cleaned up ? As always?

2 hours ago, JimCM said:

Unlike your USA where 3/4 of the population are on some kind of drugs, either illegal or prescribed for obesity, depression, obesity etc.

A country that has had 57 mass shootings this year- still I first quarter!!

408–425 mass shootings in 2025 using the common definition of 4+ people shot!!!!

233 gun incidents at US schools last year!

A country close to civil war and obliteration. All because of Israel.

How many wars has the terrorist USA started in the last 200 years? Iran hasn't started any.

no all they do is fund all of the terrorist groups, speaking of Iran

3 hours ago, JimCM said:

Unlike your USA where 3/4 of the population are on some kind of drugs, either illegal or prescribed for obesity, depression, obesity etc.

A country that has had 57 mass shootings this year- still I first quarter!!

408–425 mass shootings in 2025 using the common definition of 4+ people shot!!!!

233 gun incidents at US schools last year!

A country close to civil war and obliteration. All because of Israel.

How many wars has the terrorist USA started in the last 200 years? Iran hasn't started any.

What country are you from where the population is immune to addictions or depression? Where doctors don't over prescribe? I'm sure right next door to where you live there are druggies, drunks, wife beaters, child neglectors and killers, all without you knowing.

The USA will never be back into a civil war or obliteration, as it always bounces back, right from the beginning.

And Israel isn't influencing any US citizens any more than your own country I'm sure. Just more people there. How many of the citizens of your country have moved there for a better life? Between 2023- 2024 over 2 million people moved there. I'm guessing it wasn't because of the pizza.

Wherever you are, the US will influence you, along with most other countries in some way. You can have and do, whatever you want to do in this world in that one place.

Yes it has problems which need to be curtailed, but if you look around, so do most other countries, and they're much of the same problems, besides the school shootings which are horrendous, yet mass shootings happen in Thailand every year, more than you think, including schools and malls.

56 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Europes fault, Usa cleaned up ? As always?

Yes, as always.

1 hour ago, Roadsternut said:

When is the US bombing campaign against the evilness of the Moscow regime going to start, if US policy is driven by some concept of confrinting evil?

Europe should driving this one. But, they lack the means to do anything meaningful.

Taco two weeks, three days. ten days says I have all the cards and I'm surrounded by jokers we won and they are begging, begging for a deal so nothing could possibly go wrong prepare the black bags and the warthogs' 🤔

Trump is now responsible for more civilian deaths than Osama bin Laden.

Heck of a record, even for a demented psychopath like Trump.

Had he not tossed the JCPOA, Iran would have at most 300kg of LEU. No nuclear program. But because Obama did it, and because Trump was desperate to plump up his tumbling poll numbers, he decided on war.

Among other things, 168 schoolgirls, ages 7-12, are dead because of him. May he burn in Hell for all eternity.

As for his "negotiations......

2 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Trump is now responsible for more civilian deaths than Osama bin Laden.

Heck of a record, even for a demented psychopath like Trump.

Had he not tossed the JCPOA, Iran would have at most 300kg of LEU. No nuclear program. But because Obama did it, and because Trump was desperate to plump up his tumbling poll numbers, he decided on war.

Among other things, 168 schoolgirls, ages 7-12, are dead because of him. May he burn in Hell for all eternity.

As for his "negotiations......

Wheres your source for any of those claims ?

For all we know the "school" was stuffed with dead people in the hopes that it'd get bombed.
Be honest, if dead Iranians were what you're worried about you'd have cared about the 40K they slaughtered in the streets.

Thats not what it is though, is it.

Lowering the draft age to 12, yeh, lets do that. lol

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, look at what the US has done for peace, even if their actions caused damage along the way. It's not an evil country. It's citizens and others living there are all nations in one place, and they live and moved there for a reason.

Give me your tired, your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore is bull<deleted> in these days of ICE. The US has enjoyed 17 years with war in its 250-year history.

Peace with damage. War is peace.

1 hour ago, TedG said:

Europe should driving this one. But, they lack the means to do anything meaningful.

The fact is the EU is meaningful in a way the US has not been for a long time. The US just relies on its belligerence.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm still waiting for an alternative. Some people will not negotiate and fearing some is legitimate from actions and past actions and words.

There was an ongoing negotiation, and before that a treaty that airs. Was complying with.

There is absolutely no justification for this illegal Israeli/US war of aggression.

It's worse than you can imagine. They are now hiding their assetts amongst civilian areas just like Hamas.So it wont be hard for the iranians to find out what hotels and office blocks and then attack them putting civilians at risk. Either leave completely or stay in your bases and defend them properly remembering the words of Trump that the US doesnt need anyone !

Iranian air strikes have forced American soldiers to evacuate several bases in the Middle East.

Troops are now working from nearby hotels and office spaces, which could endanger both themselves and civilians.

Iran has struck 104 American and regional bases, according to a rough analysis of geolocated strikes by Fabian Hinz, an open-source analyst.

American satellite firms have delayed the release of imagery by at least 14 days, making it hard to assess the damage.

But The New York Times reported that many of the 13 American bases across Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates had become close to uninhabitable as a result of persistent strikes.

https://archive.ph/SW6ks

It’s likely special forces like the sas are there already feeding intel

2 hours ago, TedG said:

Europe should driving this one. But, they lack the means to do anything meaningful.

Wasn't asking you, And you answered a question I never asked.

So why have you named yourself after a foulmouthed jizz covered comic character? Oh, wait, that wasn't the topic. Neither is <deleted> asking about European bombing campaigns during an American war.

The warthogs and apaches are gonna be busy mowing down citizens

8 hours ago, Bannoi said:

If a ground attack goes ahead there will be a lot of destruction casualties & deaths on both sides.

I've seen the pain the sorrow grief & devastation it has on those left behind its haunted me for 60 yrs.

Sadly it won't cost Trump 1 dollar nor 1 drop of his blood unlike the men & family's of those he calls suckers & losers.

Yeah, once this is over Nam will look like a picnic. But the bitter defeat in SEA gave the US some decency, so let's hope.

Can I suggest Trump gets the MAGA hat round for around a trillion dollars in reparation, takes the US bases out of the Middle East (almost done) and apoligizes unerevrevdly to Iran for the mess they have caused AND PROMISES NEVER TO DO IT AGAIN. Then we can all go back to our lives.

Thankyou for your attention to this matter.

26 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

The warthogs and apaches are gonna be busy mowing down citizens

The 1 million zealots in the IRG, chanting their death pledges and lined up to be martyrs, are citizens.

49 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

So why have you named yourself after a foulmouthed jizz covered comic character?

I love the sound of a pissed-off Eruro getting upset and making it personal.