Turns out Trump is lying bigly and they will have gone for the low hanging fruit first.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/live-blog/2026-03-27/live-iran-war-updates-trump-oil-markets?srnd=homepage-uk

Some interesting headlines crossing:

US Certain A Third of Iran’s Missile Arsenal Destroyed: Reuters

Reuters Cites Sources Familiar With US Intelligence

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

It is not as simple as you want it to be, the dual export license and trust, was made because usa approved, even they had intelligence chemical weapons was used, and would be used. The Cia files that later was released, did in fact cover most of it, but who reads,and who cares now?

I will find it, still in the car, and home soon. Waste of time basically, because you already have made up your mind how things are i your reality, so ? Europes fault, Usa cleaned up ? As always?

Some things never change, and one of them is the extent in which people will go to deny responsibility for embarrassing actions.

Rather than try to blame the USA or Israel for Iraq's poison gas, why not read a sad recap of the historical evidence.

https://www.commentary.org/articles/michael-ledeen/iraqs-german-connection/

For well over a decade, hundreds—possibly even thousands—of German businessmen, scientists, and middlemen had played the key role in Iraq’s $50-billion program to produce weapons of mass destruction. The best estimates of the American government suggest that roughly 70 percent of Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological capacity was provided by Germans. About all this the German government knew in detail. How could it not, since the German, British, American, Spanish, and Dutch media had been reporting the story for years?

German involvement with Iraq’s chemical-weapons programs started in 1977, and three years later construction began on a “pesticide plant” at Samarra. As German engineers would later tell reporters, it was clear from the outset that this was no normal project, given the extraordinary security measures, the barbed-wire fences, and the armed guards that were in place almost as soon as the foundations were laid; in the words of one German engineer, the “pesticide” was to be used on “two-legged insects.” Recent German press reports even speak of gas chambers “for large animals” specially built for the Samarra project by German firms. The key technologies for Samarra came from four German companies: Karl Kolb and its subsidiary, Pilot Plant; Water Engineering Trading (WET) of Hamburg; and Preussag AG.

Nothing changed with the German mentality. Gas, gas gas, until caught, and then it is deny, deny, deny.

The export of poison gas was a German activity. The failure to intervene was a reflection of the German government. The USA did not control the German exporters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/07/23/german-firms-primed-iraqs-war-machine/09371363-d003-4a78-88ef-476c183b21dc/

How German Firms Helped Arm Iraq https://www.ippnw.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/PSRQV1N4Bartelt.pdf

17 minutes ago, TedG said:

I love the sound of a pissed-off Eruro getting upset and making it personal.

Whats a "Eruro"

So why the Jizz, Ted? Making the keyboard sticky? Will keep this up until you stop deflecting.

Oh dear - turns out the get some Full Metal Jacket yanks are splurging their weapons on the mad mullahs. China stand down and stand by you may get Taiwan for free. BTW China ahs 6 months reserves of oil and an ambitiuon of going to 12. Smart people these "commies"

US burning through Tomahawks at rate that has alarmed some Pentagon officials — report

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-march-27-2026/

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

BTW China ahs 6 months reserves of oil and an ambitiuon of going to 12.

And China still get their oil delivered from Iran, maybe they even increased the volume

Just now, CallumWK said:

And China still get their oil delivered from Iran, maybe they even increased the volume

Why not and the toll fee is in Yuan as well to troll US even more.

9 hours ago, connda said:

This is how the average American envisions the average Iranian fighter. Which is why the US has already lost. It's a deadly ethnocentric miscalculation.

The average American envisions the average male Iranian as having a debauched relationship with its goats.

34 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The 1 million zealots in the IRG, chanting their death pledges and lined up to be martyrs, are citizens.

Are you sure Iranian Citizens was the intended subject? One of the clips below has an imagineering of what a AH-64 would be like expending a chaingun over DC. Obviously the plotline is fictional, proposing some unsaid event that unites California and Texas.

Interesting use of the word "zealot" considering its origin. Interesting you carefully used that word rather than the more appropriate term "fanatic", unless you of cause believe the aims of the Islamic Republic are "reasonable" and "rational". Fanatics are irrational.

18 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

This isn't about jews, as much as one keeps trying to make it that. German companies and nationals were the responsibile primary parties in Iraq's poison gas and nuclear ambitions. The German government did little to stop it. The EU looked away.

The EU looked away because it didn't exist until 1993. That you uttered that indicates that possibly you are copy pasting the response from some headbanger's crib sheet on the topic.

There was a lot of fingers in that pie. During Inquiries into Gulf War Syndrome, former US servicemen who had entered Iraq proper testified coming across Iraqi Army munition dumps, they recognised what were chemical munitions by the way the dumps were organised. The reason they recognised this was because the Iraqis used US Army practice of marking and separating special munitions. Remember, the US did not start disposing of its chemical munitions arsenal until 1986. In 1990, US NBC units would have been still very familiar with the drills.

What happened during the 80s was exploitation with European and US government connivance, of dual use componants. The shells recovered were of US designed, but mostly tooled buy Italian firms, which meant for every shell made, there was also a payment made to the American IP holder. The filling were complicated. For mustard gas, the main munition used by Iraq, Iraq procured vast amounts of thiodiglycol, purchased through a Dutch man, van Anraat, who in turn, brought it from American and Japanese manufacturers. Normally, thiodiglycol is mainly used in ink used for ballpoint pens. Iraq didn't make pens, and if so, wouldn't need that much. The US Department of Commerce approved every huge shipment. The Maryland company is suppled van Anraat, Alcolac International, was convicted in 1989 of violating export controls.

Stop trying to whitewash the US involvement in arming Iraq, and trying to pin all the blame on the Germans. Its typical deflectionary behaviour used by America First MAGA Commies, who are copying exactly the same tactics as the Russian commies. All the Western governments were guilty. The late, and great (or legendary) Alan Clark summed it up with the immortal lines

"It's our old friend economical with the actualité....I am not particularly bothered about who we are trading with, providing we get paid......the more of one another they killed, the better......

And you are a <deleted> liar when you suggest the Germans built the Iraqi nuclear powerplant. These were built by the French and Italians. The Germans built reactors for the Shah, finished by the Russians

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/trump-faces-bloodbath-prepares-ten-thousand-more-troops-confront-iran-4318404

Trump faces a bloodbath as he prepares 10,000 more troops to confront Iran

The US President is reportedly weighing up a deadly, high-risk mission to seize key islands off the Middle East country

10 hours ago, connda said:

This is how the average American envisions the average Iranian fighter. Which is why the US has already lost. It's a deadly ethnocentric miscalculation.

To be sure, the above picture shows Afganistany "Taliban" fighters. Irans "revolutionary guards" do not look or appear like this at all. But persuing a similar military concept. Che Guevara has written a book about it. Today we call it "assimetric warfare"-

Question: Have the Russians or later the Americans "won" agaist the Taliban, applying conventional warfare? NO!

In the "Pentagon" US military strategist will sooner or later have to realise that Napolean military strategies do not work anymore, because they are ruinously expensive these days, while the "adversary" is fighting a comperatively "low cost" war.

1 hour ago, Roadsternut said:

The EU looked away because it didn't exist until 1993. That you uttered that indicates that possibly you are copy pasting the response from some headbanger's crib sheet on the topic.

There was a lot of fingers in that pie. During Inquiries into Gulf War Syndrome, former US servicemen who had entered Iraq proper testified coming across Iraqi Army munition dumps, they recognised what were chemical munitions by the way the dumps were organised. The reason they recognised this was because the Iraqis used US Army practice of marking and separating special munitions. Remember, the US did not start disposing of its chemical munitions arsenal until 1986. In 1990, US NBC units would have been still very familiar with the drills.

What happened during the 80s was exploitation with European and US government connivance, of dual use componants. The shells recovered were of US designed, but mostly tooled buy Italian firms, which meant for every shell made, there was also a payment made to the American IP holder. The filling were complicated. For mustard gas, the main munition used by Iraq, Iraq procured vast amounts of thiodiglycol, purchased through a Dutch man, van Anraat, who in turn, brought it from American and Japanese manufacturers. Normally, thiodiglycol is mainly used in ink used for ballpoint pens. Iraq didn't make pens, and if so, wouldn't need that much. The US Department of Commerce approved every huge shipment. The Maryland company is suppled van Anraat, Alcolac International, was convicted in 1989 of violating export controls.

Stop trying to whitewash the US involvement in arming Iraq, and trying to pin all the blame on the Germans. Its typical deflectionary behaviour used by America First MAGA Commies, who are copying exactly the same tactics as the Russian commies. All the Western governments were guilty. The late, and great (or legendary) Alan Clark summed it up with the immortal lines

And you are a <deleted> liar when you suggest the Germans built the Iraqi nuclear powerplant. These were built by the French and Italians. The Germans built reactors for the Shah, finished by the Russians

You are so fixated in bombrding this space with disinformation and copying from unsubstantiated inaccurate sources that you ignored the very specific details that I provided.

Read this and then come back and try and blame everyone else again.

https://www.commentary.org/articles/michael-ledeen/iraqs-german-connection/

For well over a decade, hundreds—possibly even thousands—of German businessmen, scientists, and middlemen had played the key role in Iraq’s $50-billion program to produce weapons of mass destruction. The best estimates of the American government suggest that roughly 70 percent of Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological capacity was provided by Germans. About all this the German government knew in detail. How could it not, since the German, British, American, Spanish, and Dutch media had been reporting the story for years?

German involvement with Iraq’s chemical-weapons programs started in 1977, and three years later construction began on a “pesticide plant” at Samarra. As German engineers would later tell reporters, it was clear from the outset that this was no normal project, given the extraordinary security measures, the barbed-wire fences, and the armed guards that were in place almost as soon as the foundations were laid; in the words of one German engineer, the “pesticide” was to be used on “two-legged insects.” Recent German press reports even speak of gas chambers “for large animals” specially built for the Samarra project by German firms. The key technologies for Samarra came from four German companies: Karl Kolb and its subsidiary, Pilot Plant; Water Engineering Trading (WET) of Hamburg; and Preussag AG.

Alright so I didn't specifically write that the German involvement in helping Iraq create chemical weapons and move towards a nuclear weapons program was well known in European capitals and no secret. I used the common reference of EU to refer to Europe. Me bad. Happy now? It does not change the fact that no European government intervened. Although the MEP did not have legislative powers at the time, the European Parliament existed in part to address matters of common concern like this.

Germany had signed on to the Geneva Agreement of 1925 prohibiting the use of chemical weapons. In the 1960's Germany wanted to create a stockpile of chemical weapons. It made its intention known to NATO European members. Germany was told at the time not to do it, so it is not as if the German government was unaware of international concerns.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-cold-war-chemical-weapons-military-planned-to-stockpile-arsenal-in-1960s/a-43609555

The fact remains that it was a German built manufacturing facility that manufactured the chemical munitions. It is also an undeniable fact that 70%+ of all equipment and supplies were German origin.

2 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

Are you sure Iranian Citizens was the intended subject? One of the clips below has an imagineering of what a AH-64 would be like expending a chaingun over DC. Obviously the plotline is fictional, proposing some unsaid event that unites California and Texas.

Interesting use of the word "zealot" considering its origin. Interesting you carefully used that word rather than the more appropriate term "fanatic", unless you of cause believe the aims of the Islamic Republic are "reasonable" and "rational". Fanatics are irrational.

What relevance does a mostly CGI and green screen fictional creation have here? It is not reality, but fantasy. It is the product of a UK national, who has been honest in declaring his political bias against the current US political system. It was intended to be a foundation for a series of games like Call of Duty and Desert Storm and was not intended as an educational film.

Kash Patel WTAF what a hack what an Iranian counterpoint. Love em or hate them nice play. And that's 10 years of his life in detail on line. Who is next ? Smart but nasty nasty people. Welcome to the Thunderdome.

19 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

You are so fixated in bombrding this space with disinformation and copying from unsubstantiated inaccurate sources that you ignored the very specific details that I provided.

The real issue is that you are so fixated with bombing Iran, so no common sense can be applied with you.

Have you yet provided a credible source that confirmed the silly claims you have made in the past 2 weeks?

The answer is NO

It is doubtful that the USA will deploy active military unless the Gulf Arabs participate. They have been riding along while Israel and the USA took the heat. Unless they have some skin in the game, the USA will walk away. It's the Gulf Arabs who are most at risk from Iran and who will see their energy export income disappear and Iranian attempts to incite civil unrest. As for the Europeans, they can go kiss the Iranians backside. They are good at doing that. They should also start investing more in their own defence because I don't think that the USA will be rushing to their aid when Mr. Putin reclaims former Soviet occupied nations.

The US assisinate Iranians look like the Iranians know how to assainate Americans. If they got Kash who knows who they will get next ? Well played Muhammed god is great.BTW it's illegal Kash for us citizens to go to Cuba. Just saying....

Crikes it's a partial leak as the starter as proof of concept more to come

We are in full diaper territory here folks.

1 minute ago, CallumWK said:

The real issue is that you are so fixated with bombing Iran, so no common sense can be applied with you.

Have you yet provided a credible source that confirmed the silly claims you have made in the past 2 weeks?

The answer is NO

What are you on about? I am not fixated on bombing Iran. I would prefer that there was no bombing, but Iran knows that westerners are weak and prone to cowardice. The Iranians won't back down because death does not scare them.

The Sunnis need to step up and deal with murtadds who are driving the convoy of shiite destruction. The Iranians consider their supreme leader infallible. It is not a concept, but a requirement that the Ayatollah's hadith is to be followed without question. It was previously decided that the Gulf Arab nations were to be weakened and that control of the region ceded to Iran. Allowing this will wipe out the progress that the Arab world has seen, and the benefits that have flowed to the population. It will also mean that at some point that there will be no oil or gas for the world of infidels, because Iran sees the oil and gas as a tool of their jihad.

11 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You make multiple inaccurate claims.

Previous US engagements in Afghanistan and Iraq were characterized by a reluctance to incur civilian and non combatant casualties. That won't be the case here. The Iranians will get their martyrdom. Whether or not the USA engages directly will be up to the Arabs of the region. The Arabs won't be taking the precautions the Israelis took since they are neither as stupid nor as sensitive to public opinion as Israel. The Gulf arabs have been preparing for this and will not accept Iran's demand that it be given control of the Strait of Hormuz. The future of the Gulf Arabs requires the Strait to remain open to them.

The Arabs want the USA and Israel to finish the job. Neither can do it without Arab support. If the UAE or Saudi Arabia launch an attack or engage with Iran, it is certain the USA will get more involved. Bahrain, Oman and Qatar involvement will compel the UK to participate lest it be expelled from its bases. The Arabs accepted the UK presence because the UK said it would defend the Arabs, and it has not.

Watch the Iraqis too. They want to get rid of the Iran backed shiite militias and an Iranian preoccupation with others would reduce support for the militias.

Aka I'm so full of hatred I've checked out of decent behaviour. Zionist blood lust at its best. Let the bodies pile high. I don't care.

27 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Aka I'm so full of hatred I've checked out of decent behaviour. Zionist blood lust at its best. Let the bodies pile high. I don't care.

Pity you don't show us how to behave decently. You seem to exist to show up on a small viewership website supposedly directed at Thailand residents and intended as a platform to sell goods and services, and bombard with your political missives.

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You are so fixated in bombrding this space with disinformation and copying from unsubstantiated inaccurate sources that you ignored the very specific details that I provided.

Read this and then come back and try and blame everyone else again.

https://www.commentary.org/articles/michael-ledeen/iraqs-german-connection/

For well over a decade, hundreds—possibly even thousands—of German businessmen, scientists, and middlemen had played the key role in Iraq’s $50-billion program to produce weapons of mass destruction. The best estimates of the American government suggest that roughly 70 percent of Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological capacity was provided by Germans. About all this the German government knew in detail. How could it not, since the German, British, American, Spanish, and Dutch media had been reporting the story for years?

German involvement with Iraq’s chemical-weapons programs started in 1977, and three years later construction began on a “pesticide plant” at Samarra. As German engineers would later tell reporters, it was clear from the outset that this was no normal project, given the extraordinary security measures, the barbed-wire fences, and the armed guards that were in place almost as soon as the foundations were laid; in the words of one German engineer, the “pesticide” was to be used on “two-legged insects.” Recent German press reports even speak of gas chambers “for large animals” specially built for the Samarra project by German firms. The key technologies for Samarra came from four German companies: Karl Kolb and its subsidiary, Pilot Plant; Water Engineering Trading (WET) of Hamburg; and Preussag AG.

Alright so I didn't specifically write that the German involvement in helping Iraq create chemical weapons and move towards a nuclear weapons program was well known in European capitals and no secret. I used the common reference of EU to refer to Europe. Me bad. Happy now? It does not change the fact that no European government intervened. Although the MEP did not have legislative powers at the time, the European Parliament existed in part to address matters of common concern like this.

Germany had signed on to the Geneva Agreement of 1925 prohibiting the use of chemical weapons. In the 1960's Germany wanted to create a stockpile of chemical weapons. It made its intention known to NATO European members. Germany was told at the time not to do it, so it is not as if the German government was unaware of international concerns.

https://www.dw.com/en/germanys-cold-war-chemical-weapons-military-planned-to-stockpile-arsenal-in-1960s/a-43609555

The fact remains that it was a German built manufacturing facility that manufactured the chemical munitions. It is also an undeniable fact that 70%+ of all equipment and supplies were German origin.

You know <deleted> all about WIZ. Just another MAGA Commie.

5 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

Whats a "Eruro"

So why the Jizz, Ted? Making the keyboard sticky? Will keep this up until you stop deflecting.

You are getting dumber with each post

5 hours ago, CallumWK said:

This is about Jews, you want to claim the Germans, or the EU, didn't know how the Iranians would put it to use?

You are supporting a religion that is hated around the world.

And if you want to know, yes when I still lived in my home country I did business with Jews, Israelis and other nationalities, quite a few times and learned my lesson.

Obviously, they demonstrated they were smarter than you, but jew haters usually arent very bright.

40 minutes ago, TedG said:

You are getting dumber with each post

They played that stupid Euro game with me.

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Pity you don't show us how to behave decently. You seem to exist to show up on a small viewership website supposedly directed at Thailand residents and intended as a platform to sell goods and services, and bombard with your political missives.

He is a total troll.

With all of Thailands tourist problems, I hope that folks who have never been there understand that the loud Jew haters and Trump haters here are not necessarily in Thailand itself

11 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Some things never change, and one of them is the extent in which people will go to deny responsibility for embarrassing actions.

Rather than try to blame the USA or Israel for Iraq's poison gas, why not read a sad recap of the historical evidence.

https://www.commentary.org/articles/michael-ledeen/iraqs-german-connection/

For well over a decade, hundreds—possibly even thousands—of German businessmen, scientists, and middlemen had played the key role in Iraq’s $50-billion program to produce weapons of mass destruction. The best estimates of the American government suggest that roughly 70 percent of Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological capacity was provided by Germans. About all this the German government knew in detail. How could it not, since the German, British, American, Spanish, and Dutch media had been reporting the story for years?

German involvement with Iraq’s chemical-weapons programs started in 1977, and three years later construction began on a “pesticide plant” at Samarra. As German engineers would later tell reporters, it was clear from the outset that this was no normal project, given the extraordinary security measures, the barbed-wire fences, and the armed guards that were in place almost as soon as the foundations were laid; in the words of one German engineer, the “pesticide” was to be used on “two-legged insects.” Recent German press reports even speak of gas chambers “for large animals” specially built for the Samarra project by German firms. The key technologies for Samarra came from four German companies: Karl Kolb and its subsidiary, Pilot Plant; Water Engineering Trading (WET) of Hamburg; and Preussag AG.

Nothing changed with the German mentality. Gas, gas gas, until caught, and then it is deny, deny, deny.

The export of poison gas was a German activity. The failure to intervene was a reflection of the German government. The USA did not control the German exporters.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1992/07/23/german-firms-primed-iraqs-war-machine/09371363-d003-4a78-88ef-476c183b21dc/

How German Firms Helped Arm Iraq https://www.ippnw.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/PSRQV1N4Bartelt.pdf

Here are some facts and just to mention, EU as you claimed was involved in an earlier thread did not exists during this time!

Sources from

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GAOREPORTS-NSIAD-94-98/html/GAOREPORTS-NSIAD-94-98.htm

This is nothing the west can be proud of!

Fact check

“The export of poison gas was a German activity” is too broad. Iraq relied on multiple foreign suppliers, not Germany alone. The Duelfer Report notes Iraq’s dependence on foreign suppliers for precursors, and also says Egyptian scientists provided consultation, technology, and oversight for CW weaponization.

• The “70 percent” figure is not well-supported in the sources I checked. The Commentary article attributes it to “best estimates of the American government,” but I did not find a primary U.S. government source in this search that clearly substantiates that exact number. That makes the percentage uncertain, even if the broader point about major German involvement is well supported.

• “The German government knew in detail” is too strong as stated. There is evidence of reporting, warnings, and enforcement failures, but proving the government knew the full scope “in detail” across the whole program is a stronger claim than the sources here justify.

• “Nothing changed with the German mentality” is not a factual claim. It is a prejudicial generalization, not history. It should be treated as rhetoric, not evidence.

What the quote leaves out:

• The U.S. also approved large amounts of dual-use exports to Iraq. GAO says the Commerce Department approved $1.5 billion in dual-use exports to Iraq from 1985 to 1990. That does not mean the U.S. controlled German exporters, but it does mean the U.S. was not simply an uninvolved bystander.

U.S. companies helped Iraq through Commerce-approved dual-use exports; West German firms were more central to building the actual chemical-weapons infrastructure.

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

What are you on about? I am not fixated on bombing Iran. I would prefer that there was no bombing, but Iran knows that westerners are weak and prone to cowardice. The Iranians won't back down because death does not scare them.

The Sunnis need to step up and deal with murtadds who are driving the convoy of shiite destruction. The Iranians consider their supreme leader infallible. It is not a concept, but a requirement that the Ayatollah's hadith is to be followed without question. It was previously decided that the Gulf Arab nations were to be weakened and that control of the region ceded to Iran. Allowing this will wipe out the progress that the Arab world has seen, and the benefits that have flowed to the population. It will also mean that at some point that there will be no oil or gas for the world of infidels, because Iran sees the oil and gas as a tool of their jihad.

Trump makes the west look weak, one phone call I will end all wars, then crying for a peace prize, bombing a little bit, threatening Iran and Europe, call out the Eu cowards and order them to supply security, and now told everyone Usa will not support Nato if someone attacks one of the members.

Either he is just blunt stupid, or he purposely have set this up to only focus on the MIddle east and Asia.

No need to repeat for you guys what the intention of Nato is, or?

13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Pity you don't show us how to behave decently. You seem to exist to show up on a small viewership website supposedly directed at Thailand residents and intended as a platform to sell goods and services, and bombard with your political missives.

And you don't, I take it (bombard) . All's fair in love and war as long as you follow forum rules.I was here 9 years before you as well back in the hey day when this place hummed and user 'holidays' mattered. There is an ignore button which you may wish to use as I'm sure others do.

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

He is a total troll.

With all of Thailands tourist problems, I hope that folks who have never been there understand that the loud Jew haters and Trump haters here are not necessarily in Thailand itself

Morning Yagoda and you aren't a total troll I take it and I have never said anything other as to where I am - I was in Jomtien from the end of November to February 17th and am now back in the UK. I wasn't aware that it's important where you live to post (you are in Cambodia I beleive but I might be wrong) and I don't hate you as either a Jew or a Trump supporter. The former is irrelevant and the latter is sad and I hope to educate you as to that. This is a forum where I am wasting time that I should spend more profitably elsewhere. That's all there is to it.