OK, Gals and Lads; this is my first thread in Bedlam I know there will be many (hammers) out there either to nail me or to knock me down but am ready for(em) with quite open heart (not chest ), You might think it's my story but I assure you it's(not), I am just waiting for my perfect honest (White Knight) to be in Bangkok soon. But I felt my dearest friend hurting and suffering from a sick cheating player lover who can win Oscar Prize by acting only one scene. (BTW, both are farangs ); anyway.

SO ;here are my questions mates!

Do you believe there (is/are) some weirdo liars around us?

Do you ever suspect that you might be one of the emotionally abused victims by those psychos?(or have you been)?

Does over trusting or over loving your spouse make you more vulnerable to be cheated?

What will you feel if you discover that you had been taken for a ride by a very close friend or a loving spouse; will you feel angry or hurt?

Do the liars believe that they are more clever and their lies can never be caught? or do they assume that the opposite persons are stupid enough to believe all their Bullshit?

Will you confront them with the truth? Or you just cut all links with them?

Would you seek exposing them as a revenge or would you leave it to karma ?

Why would someone go for faking,fabricating,making up continuous lies to trap someone?

Do you think that those sick ppl are still(human) when they intentionally destroy and jeopardize others life and cause them emotional and health breakdowns?

Do you think that using the (LOVE) word is a good bait for desperate lonely hearts?

Are those sick ppl aware of the harm they are causing or even regret it?

I guess that's enough!

OK, dear Donna , I guess I had raised all the questions that we were helpless to find the answers for last time we met in Bkk, by posting them here, I guess we can help our dear friend with all the wise clear answers that would be provided from the kind members of Bedlam

Just a clarification needed - sick weird lying pshcho? Are we talking one person, any specifics to be shared would be helpful in an analysis & do you have a personal grudge against this individual that might appear as bias?

I used to know a lying kleptomaniac & after speaking with professionals on the subject, was informed that not much can be done about that person's situation.

Ooh...... tough one.

People tell lies for a few different reasons as far as I am concerned.

It can be either self delusional, i.e. they think it is the truth, or self denial, they want it to be the truth, or they are just plain being bad and know exactly what they are doing.

I was on the receiving end quite a few years ago. I was being lied to and cheated by my first wife here, she was doing it intentionally, the motivation being purely financial. I was lying to myself as I was too wrapped up in the relationship to see what was happening. Eventually I came to my senses and just up and left.

I decided not to take any revenge and see if karma would sort it out....... I bumped into her a few years later and it looked like karma was doing a bloody good job.

Black comic - sour grapes!

Black comic - sour grapes!

Not anymore sour if you just spit it out

Do you believe there (is/are) some weirdo liars around us? Definitely

Do you ever suspect that you might be one of the emotionally abused victims by those psychos?(or have you been)? Only in the mornings when I wake up for about 15 minutes

Does over trusting or over loving your spouse make you more vulnerable to be cheated? Is over loving related to nymphmania ?

What will you feel if you discover that you had been taken for a ride by a very close friend or a loving spouse; will you feel angry or hurt? Where did the ride take me, some lovely scenic drives in Los and doubt they would make me angry

Do the liars believe that they are more clever and their lies can never be caught? or do they assume that the opposite persons are stupid enough to believe all their Bullshit? No of course not....honest.

Will you confront them with the truth? Or you just cut all links with them? Yes usually during sex, makes for a fun ride...is that the ride you was speakin of ?

Would you seek exposing them as a revenge or would you leave it to karma ? Karma killed an angry dog recently, so that is a bit harsh.

Why would someone go for faking,fabricating,making up continuous lies to trap someone? Cos they want to have sex with them

Do you think that those sick ppl are still(human) when they intentionally destroy and jeopardize others life and cause them emotional and health breakdowns? The strong eat the weak, emotionaly weak can turn gay

Do you think that using the (LOVE) word is a good bait for desperate lonely hearts? Bloody oath, but only after the second date

Are those sick ppl aware of the harm they are causing or even regret it? Culling the herd does the herd a great favour, they should be honoured

I guess that's enough!

OK, dear Donna , I guess I had raised all the questions that we were helpless to find the answers for last time we met in Bkk, by posting them here, I guess we can help our dear friend with all the wise clear answers that would be provided from the kind members of Bedlam Where is that corner ?

I've had several "sick weird lying psycho's " in my life. (I seem to attract them)

My solution is to divorce or separate permanently from them.

Perhaps your friend should solve his problem the same way.

Black comic - sour grapes!

Not anymore sour if you just spit it out

You've answered your own question(s).

OK, Gals and Lads; this is my first thread in Bedlam I know there will be many (hammers) out there either to nail me or to knock me down but am ready for(em) with quite open heart (not chest ), You might think it's my story but I assure you it's(not), I am just waiting for my perfect honest (White Knight) to be in Bangkok soon. But I felt my dearest friend hurting and suffering from a sick cheating player lover who can win Oscar Prize by acting only one scene. (BTW, both are farangs ); anyway.

SO ;here are my questions mates!

Do you believe there (is/are) some weirdo liars around us?

Do you ever suspect that you might be one of the emotionally abused victims by those psychos?(or have you been)?

Does over trusting or over loving your spouse make you more vulnerable to be cheated?

What will you feel if you discover that you had been taken for a ride by a very close friend or a loving spouse; will you feel angry or hurt?

Do the liars believe that they are more clever and their lies can never be caught? or do they assume that the opposite persons are stupid enough to believe all their Bullshit?

Will you confront them with the truth? Or you just cut all links with them?

Would you seek exposing them as a revenge or would you leave it to karma ?

Why would someone go for faking,fabricating,making up continuous lies to trap someone?

Do you think that those sick ppl are still(human) when they intentionally destroy and jeopardize others life and cause them emotional and health breakdowns?

Do you think that using the (LOVE) word is a good bait for desperate lonely hearts?

Are those sick ppl aware of the harm they are causing or even regret it?

I guess that's enough!

OK, dear Donna , I guess I had raised all the questions that we were helpless to find the answers for last time we met in Bkk, by posting them here, I guess we can help our dear friend with all the wise clear answers that would be provided from the kind members of Bedlam

i will answer a few of the questions you pose:

would i confront them with the truth?

ha! these kind of people know the real truth but live a lie so there is no point in confrontation, even though it would make the other person feel better.

would i want to seek revenge?

you bet i would. but i would keep this as a fantasy. revenge is a nice thought, but someone said to me once 'the best form of revenge is having a great life' and i agree with them. (in fact, i think it was one of the ladies in this forum)

why would someone go for making stuff up to trap someone?

because they are so insecure in their own world that lying and cheating is the only way they can feel important.

do i think that these ppl are human after destroying anothers life?

i think these people are cruel nasty people.

do they use the word love as bait?

not sure about that one. the word is certainly used very loosely by many people.

are they aware of the harm they are doing and do they regret it?

liars are liars are liars and they get so caught up in their own little world that they forget the truth. some even imagine they are james bond types who have to jump on a bloody helicopter for an 'important mission', yet they use it as an excuse to be shacked up with someone else.

in my world i have no time for liars and <deleted>. i have learnt a lot over the years and do not put up with mistreatment. if i were the person affected, i would live my life to the fullest and ensure that the other party knows that they have been caught out big time.

lets explore this a little further....

Why do people lie in the first place?

It has been my observation it is the delusion of the person being lied to, that allows others to lie and take advantage of them. It can happen to anyone once, or twice, but if it becomes a pattern in ones life, than it is they and not the lieing asshol_e that is the problem.

Intersting obsevation Iannarebirth. Surely you are not serious (sorry about calling you 'surely').

So you are saying that if a person happens to be naive, they are fair game? Many honest but somewhat 'unwordly' people fall within this category. I may be misconstruing your answer, but I'm sure others would read it the same way. May I suggest you expand upon it to remove any possible ambiguity?

Ping,

Nobody said anything about "fair". I interpret what lannarebirth is saying as follows:

The sun shines on us sometimes and there are liars around us sometimes. If the sun shines on you and you get sunburnt then you learn to stay out of the sun or you put on sunscreen...or you just continue to get sunburnt whenever the sun shines on you. If a liar lies to you and you get burnt then you learn to avoid being around these sorts of people or you learn to put up with their lieing and not make your life dependent on their actions...or you continue to take their lies as truths and make your life dependent on their actions and you get burnt.

Chownah

Chownah - yep, I'll go with that construction; a bit 'wood for trees'. And if people do stay in these situations, it probably answers Soundman's question of why people lie in the first place - because it can be an advantage to them. My pity remains with the people who find themselves in those situations - perhaps sometimes from economic necessity. The focus of moral disapprobation should remain upon these jerks who use them - which takes us full circle to the OP.

I'll go with Thaddeus on this one I left and am awaiting the completed divorce papers.

Intersting obsevation Iannarebirth. Surely you are not serious (sorry about calling you 'surely').

So you are saying that if a person happens to be naive, they are fair game? Many honest but somewhat 'unwordly' people fall within this category. I may be misconstruing your answer, but I'm sure others would read it the same way. May I suggest you expand upon it to remove any possible ambiguity?

No, you've got it sbout right Ping. Though I wouldn't blame the person being lied to the first time or two. If it became a repeating pattern in their life I'd say they need to examine themselves as to why this happens. I've been lied too before, but I don't allow anyone to repeatedly lie to me.

Ping,

Nobody said anything about "fair". I interpret what lannarebirth is saying as follows:

The sun shines on us sometimes and there are liars around us sometimes. If the sun shines on you and you get sunburnt then you learn to stay out of the sun or you put on sunscreen...or you just continue to get sunburnt whenever the sun shines on you. If a liar lies to you and you get burnt then you learn to avoid being around these sorts of people or you learn to put up with their lieing and not make your life dependent on their actions...or you continue to take their lies as truths and make your life dependent on their actions and you get burnt.

Chownah

Good analogy chownah.

Thanks Iannarebirth. Fair enough - I'll go with Chownah's analogy to a certain extent, but as to people who are gullible... the problem with your approach is that sometimes people are gullible if they are of sub-normal intellect (and I assume that there's not much that can be done in such cases) and sometimes people are just generally too trusting/naive as a product of their upbringing. I really fail to see how we can attach any sort of blame to them for the way they are. The predators who take advantage of them should be the focus in my view. Not all of us carry half a loaf of cynicism in our picnic baskets (admittedly, more's the pity). However, I understand your viewpoint - thanks for the further explanation.

He was lying.

"Hello", he lied. Some people are like that.

Now the only thing remaining to be done is for readers to go back to post 10 and read down from there (in a continuous loop)...

Just a clarification needed - sick weird lying pshcho? Are we talking one person, any specifics to be shared would be helpful in an analysis & do you have a personal grudge against this individual that might appear as bias?

I used to know a lying kleptomaniac & after speaking with professionals on the subject, was informed that not much can be done about that person's situation.

Sorry for the late reply , but am really (up to my neck in work) lately .

I was talking in general abt those (type) of ppl. I don't have any personal grudges against him only (hatred) for his behaviors regarding the hurt he caused to my best friend.

I guess you are right there, there is not much to be done in that situation.

tell your friend that karma will come up and bit him on the ass. quite soon i hope!