Interesting.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-tax-dodgers-banned-leaving-country-ato/f2111b7d-48f5-497a-bae8-3abb35e01bbd

Only for guys like Paul Hogan, surely. 🙂

On 1/7/2026 at 8:45 PM, KhunHeineken said:

Interesting.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-tax-dodgers-banned-leaving-country-ato/f2111b7d-48f5-497a-bae8-3abb35e01bbd

Only for guys like Paul Hogan, surely. 🙂

Thanks, but the story relates only to those particular taxpayers with significant debt to the ATO. 😉

5 hours ago, Nemises said:

Thanks, but the story relates only to those particular taxpayers with significant debt to the ATO. 😉

It starts out as "significant debt" then the goal posts shift to "considerable debt" then they move again to "any debt."

HECS debt and Child Support debt also get stopped at the airport.

16 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

It starts out as "significant debt" then the goal posts shift to "considerable debt" then they move again to "any debt."

HECS debt and Child Support debt also get stopped at the airport.

16 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

16 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

It starts out as "significant debt" then the goal posts shift to "considerable debt" then they move again to "any debt."

HECS debt and Child Support debt also get stopped at the airport.

Keep up, HECS debtors are now sweet with the voters😂!!

8 hours ago, Olmate said:

Keep up, HECS debtors are now sweet with the voters😂!!

There's those pesky terms again, like World Wide income, and 183 days.

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/study-and-training-support-loans/overseas-repayments

Surely it's only for students like Paul Hogan, Olmate. 😂

16 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

There's those pesky terms again, like World Wide income, and 183 days.

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/study-and-training-support-loans/overseas-repayments

Surely it's only for students like Paul Hogan, Olmate. 😂

Hang on, your posting bout HECS n child support, now back to Hoges😕which is it Einstein,? See...2026 is same ol KH🫠!!

5 hours ago, Olmate said:

Hang on, your posting bout HECS n child support, now back to Hoges😕which is it Einstein,? See...2026 is same ol KH🫠!!

It's about the Departure Prohibition Order (DPO) and how the ATO is using more of them these days, Olmate.

They'll probably become mainstream, and applied to anyone owing just $1 to the ATO in the future.

12 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

It's about the Departure Prohibition Order (DPO) and how the ATO is using more of them these days, Olmate.

They'll probably become mainstream, and applied to anyone owing just $1 to the ATO in the future.

Why 'mainstream' tho when the HECS is surely more 'mainstream' than Hoges n similar,!. ATO are not chasing me or anyone else on here, despite your flaming! 😭

1 hour ago, Olmate said:

Why 'mainstream' tho when the HECS is surely more 'mainstream' than Hoges n similar,!. ATO are not chasing me or anyone else on here, despite your flaming! 😭

Certain;y not flaming, Olmate. Keep your underwear on. 🙂

When I read articles like that I am just glad I still have a current Medicare Card, which means, according to one member, I am still a resident for tax purposes. 😂

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Certain;y not flaming, Olmate. Keep your underwear on. 🙂

When I read articles like that I am just glad I still have a current Medicare Card, which means, according to one member, I am still a resident for tax purposes. 😂

So do I. I can renew it online, without setting foot in Australia.

I have visited Australia on and off for the last 15 years, ignoring the 183 day stricture you regard as holy writ.

I opted out of putting in a tax return 5 years ago. The ATO has not contacted me since.

I extended my retirement visa in November. Not a word was said about having a Thai tax number, or showing a Thai tax return.

All your scare campaigns are fizzling out like a cigarette in snow, Mr. Chicken Little.

37 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

So do I. I can renew it online, without setting foot in Australia.

That doesn't make you a resident for tax purposes though, does it?

38 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I have visited Australia on and off for the last 15 years, ignoring the 183 day stricture you regard as holy writ.

I visit Australia occasionally myself. At this stage, and it's been well debated, the 183 days can not be enforced. That will change when Australia moves t a physical presence and time based model.

40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I opted out of putting in a tax return 5 years ago.

I still lodge tax returns as I still generate an income in Australia.

41 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I extended my retirement visa in November. Not a word was said about having a Thai tax number, or showing a Thai tax return.

When the proposed changes are passed into legislation, the Australian government will not be so lax.

43 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

All your scare campaigns are fizzling out like a cigarette in snow, Mr. Chicken Little.

No scaremongering. The proposed changes are there for you to see.

The below are facts.

1) The pension is deemed an income.

2) The base rate for non resident tax is 30% from $0 to $120,000.

3) There is no tax free threshold in non resident tax brackets.

4) There are no exemptions in the proposed changes for pensioners.

5) Australian Immigration know how long you stay inside and outside of Australia in a calendar year.

6) Supplements are already withheld after 6 weeks outside of Australia. (how do they know you are outside of Australia if you don't tell them - oh, immigration tell them)

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

So do I. I can renew it online, without setting foot in Australia.

I have visited Australia on and off for the last 15 years, ignoring the 183 day stricture you regard as holy writ.

I opted out of putting in a tax return 5 years ago. The ATO has not contacted me since.

I extended my retirement visa in November. Not a word was said about having a Thai tax number, or showing a Thai tax return.

All your scare campaigns are fizzling out like a cigarette in snow, Mr. Chicken Little.

quote:

"I opted out of putting in a tax return 5 years ago. The ATO has not contacted me since."

I stoppen lodging Aust. tax returns years before that. I've read a couple of times that the ATO is not interested to follow up on folks who haven't submtted for more than 10 years and not interested if the estimated tax payable is under a legislated amount (don't know what the amount is). and there's no follow up by the ATO whether the person is still alive. Whether all of these points are stated in tax laws I don't know.

10 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

That doesn't make you a resident for tax purposes though, does it?

I visit Australia occasionally myself. At this stage, and it's been well debated, the 183 days can not be enforced. That will change when Australia moves t a physical presence and time based model.

I still lodge tax returns as I still generate an income in Australia.

When the proposed changes are passed into legislation, the Australian government will not be so lax.

No scaremongering. The proposed changes are there for you to see.

The below are facts.

1) The pension is deemed an income.

2) The base rate for non resident tax is 30% from $0 to $120,000.

3) There is no tax free threshold in non resident tax brackets.

4) There are no exemptions in the proposed changes for pensioners.

5) Australian Immigration know how long you stay inside and outside of Australia in a calendar year.

6) Supplements are already withheld after 6 weeks outside of Australia. (how do they know you are outside of Australia if you don't tell them - oh, immigration tell them)

I posted the above as an antidote to your incessant BS. 12 years of garbage, none of which has happened.

You are kidding yourself if you think I want to waste my time in discussion with you. Over and out.

14 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Certain;y not flaming, Olmate. Keep your underwear on. 🙂

When I read articles like that I am just glad I still have a current Medicare Card, which means, according to one member, I am still a resident for tax purposes. 😂

Haha your dumber than it seemed, not that it matters to me but the medicare card is not an indicator at all. Back to Google for you sunshine😞

9 hours ago, scorecard said:

I stoppen lodging Aust. tax returns years before that.

https://www.ato.gov.au/individuals-and-families/coming-to-australia-or-going-overseas/your-tax-residency/foreign-and-temporary-residents

"Foreign residents

If you're a foreign resident for tax purposes you must declare on your tax return any income earned in Australia, including:

• employment income

• rental income

• Australian pensions and annuities

• capital gains on taxable Australian property.

Exceptions to this include:

• foreign residents earning employment income working on the Pacific Labour Mobility (PALM) scheme

• working holiday makers who in some circumstances will not need to declare income earned in Australia.

As a foreign resident:

• you have no tax-free threshold

• you don't pay the Medicare levy – in your Australian tax return, you can claim an exemption from paying the Medicare levy for the number of days in the income year you are a foreign resident

• you don’t declare any Australian-sourced interest, dividends or royalties you derive while you are a foreign resident, provided the Australian financial institution or company that pays you has already withheld tax

• the capital gain on your Australian home may need to be included if you are a foreign resident at the time you sign the contract of sale

• you may meet the definition of a foreign person and need foreign investment approvalExternal Link before purchasing residential land and other Australian assetsExternal Link.

If you have a Higher Education Loan Program (HELP), VET Student Loan (VSL) or Australian Apprenticeship Support Loan (AASL) debt, you'll need to declare your worldwide income or lodge a non-lodgment advice. You can do this using our online services through myGov or through a registered Australian tax agent. The study and training loan repayment calculator will help you find out your compulsory repayment or overseas levy amounts.

For more information about your study and training loan repayment obligations if you plan to live and work overseas, see Overseas obligations when repaying loans.

See 408 Pandemic event visa if you were issued a 408 visa to stay in Australia and continued working during the COVID-19 pandemic. The 408 visa program closed to new applications on 1 February 2024.

To work out if you need to lodge, use our Do I need to lodge a tax return? tool."

See the part where it says if you are a foreign resident for tax purposes you must declare income earned in Australia including - Australian pensions and annuities.

You have got away with it for years, but that will stop after the proposed changes are passed into legislation.

9 hours ago, scorecard said:

I've read a couple of times that the ATO is not interested to follow up on folks who haven't submtted for more than 10 years and not interested if the estimated tax payable is under a legislated amount (don't know what the amount is).

Link please.

Remember, you should have been lodging tax returns the whole time. I doubt they will be handing out free passes.

9 hours ago, scorecard said:

and there's no follow up by the ATO whether the person is still alive.

What's the Proof of Life Form all about then?

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/proof-life-compliance-reviews-if-youre-older-80-and-live-overseas?context=22526

"Proof of Life if you’re older than 80 and live overseas

If you’re older than 80 and live outside Australia you may need to complete a Proof of Life Certificate form.

on this page

• What Proof of Life is

• Who needs to do it

• How it works

What Proof of Life is

A process you need to complete to prove you’re alive and eligible to continue to get your pension.

Who needs to do it

You may need to complete the form if you’re currently getting a relevant payment and are both:

• living outside Australia

• older than 80.

Relevant payments

We may send you a Proof of Life Certificate form if you get one of the following income support payments:

• Age Pension

• Disability Support Pension

• Carer Payment.

  
  As you can see from the above, if you are living overseas, and are over 80 years old, and receive an aged pension, you have to submit a proof of life form.

Funny how you submit a proof of life form, which then basically means you admit to being non resident for tax purposes, so the ATO is informed, and you receive the aged pension, which is deemed an income. 🙂

9 hours ago, scorecard said:

Whether all of these points are stated in tax laws I don't know.

Read the above.

It's the law. Quoted from government websites.

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I posted the above as an antidote to your incessant BS. 12 years of garbage, none of which has happened.

You are kidding yourself if you think I want to waste my time in discussion with you. Over and out.

12 years???? Hardly.

Foreign residents

If you're a foreign resident for tax purposes you must declare on your tax return any income earned in Australia, including:

• employment income

• rental income

• Australian pensions and annuities

• capital gains on taxable Australian property.

Exceptions to this include:

• foreign residents earning employment income working on the Pacific Labour Mobility (PALM) scheme

• working holiday makers who in some circumstances will not need to declare income earned in Australia.

As a foreign resident:

• you have no tax-free threshold

• you don't pay the Medicare levy – in your Australian tax return, you can claim an exemption from paying the Medicare levy for the number of days in the income year you are a foreign resident

• you don’t declare any Australian-sourced interest, dividends or royalties you derive while you are a foreign resident, provided the Australian financial institution or company that pays you has already withheld tax

• the capital gain on your Australian home may need to be included if you are a foreign resident at the time you sign the contract of sale

• you may meet the definition of a foreign person and need foreign investment approvalExternal Link before purchasing residential land and other Australian assetsExternal Link.

If you have a Higher Education Loan Program (HELP), VET Student Loan (VSL) or Australian Apprenticeship Support Loan (AASL) debt, you'll need to declare your worldwide income or lodge a non-lodgment advice. You can do this using our online services through myGov or through a registered Australian tax agent. The study and training loan repayment calculator will help you find out your compulsory repayment or overseas levy amounts.

For more information about your study and training loan repayment obligations if you plan to live and work overseas, see Overseas obligations when repaying loans.

See 408 Pandemic event visa if you were issued a 408 visa to stay in Australia and continued working during the COVID-19 pandemic. The 408 visa program closed to new applications on 1 February 2024.

To work out if you need to lodge, use our Do I need to lodge a tax return? tool.

Be sure to lodge you tax returns. The above isn't just for guys like Paul Hogan. 😂

53 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Haha your dumber than it seemed, not that it matters to me but the medicare card is not an indicator at all.

I was being sarcastic. I wasn't the one that originally posted it. A member put forward that because he had a Medicare Card, he was still a resident for tax purposes.

it was one of the funniest reasons many members put forward for whilst they were still a resident of Australia for tax purposes, despite living in Thailand full time, with many of them not returning to Australia for years, not even for a short visit.

The loophole will be closed, and 183 days outside Australia and you will be a non resident for tax purposes, immigration will inform both the ATO and Centerlink. The pension is deemed an income.

New Year, same scaremongering. Still no change, just more uncertainty.

Call me when it moves from forum prophecy to legislation.

Yep

He pretty much has been allowed to ruin this sub-forum.

You just have to look at the lack of posts by others who used to frequently post.

Several posts discussing another member have been removed.

If you have an issue with another member, please use the Report function.

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39 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

Two moderation related comments have been removed.

The moderation team and admins are fully aware of everything happening on the forum, and much of their work takes place behind the scenes.

From the outside, it can sometimes seem as though members simply stop posting, but that may be due to a suspension or simply a personal choice not to participate.

Rest assured, the forum remains well managed.

It's pretty hard to mount a case as we're not allowed to talk about it TBF.

On 1/12/2026 at 12:52 AM, Nemises said:

New Year, same scaremongering. Still no change, just more uncertainty.

No scaremongering. That's allegation has been done to death. The proposed changes are there for all to see.

Still no change is correct, but Labor did not scrap them, as many suggested Albo would. In fact, Labor progressed them to the consultation stage.

Liberal proposed them, Labour progressed them, so I think it would be a certainty they will get bipartisan support in parliament, provided Labor does not change them too much.

On 1/12/2026 at 12:52 AM, Nemises said:

Call me when it moves from forum prophecy to legislation.

The proposed legislation is not prophecy. It's fact.

The May budget is the next bullet to dodge, and even if they are put forward in the May budget, I can't seeing it start until 1st July 2027.

The current 90 years old tax residency laws are no longer fit for purpose. They have to change at some stage. That time in near.

20 hours ago, Will27 said:

He pretty much has been allowed to ruin this sub-forum.

No.

It was a core group of members who could not bear the thought that they may lose 30% of their pension in the future, so they became trolls who turned this sub-forum from proper discussion and debate to a school play ground fight that negatively effected this sub-forum.

20 hours ago, Will27 said:

You just have to look at the lack of posts by others who used to frequently post.

Rubbish.

There's just been no developments around the Australian aged pension lately.

As for the Australia Forum in general, look what happened in Bondi, and no one started a thread.

3 hours ago, Will27 said:

It's pretty hard to mount a case as we're not allowed to talk about it TBF.

Talk about it in open forum, within forum rules. Or, feel free to PM me your abuse. Just remember, if you give it out, be prepared to take it. 🙂

15 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Talk about it in open forum, within forum rules. Or, feel free to PM me your abuse. Just remember, if you give it out, be prepared to take it. 🙂

15 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

No scaremongering. That's allegation has been done to death. The proposed changes are there for all to see.

Still no change is correct, but Labor did not scrap them, as many suggested Albo would. In fact, Labor progressed them to the consultation stage.

Liberal proposed them, Labour progressed them, so I think it would be a certainty they will get bipartisan support in parliament, provided Labor does not change them too much.

The proposed legislation is not prophecy. It's fact.

The May budget is the next bullet to dodge, and even if they are put forward in the May budget, I can't seeing it start until 1st July 2027.

The current 90 years old tax residency laws are no longer fit for purpose. They have to change at some stage. That time in near.

And on and on she goes she goes. Look @ me! Fell free to use the report button. 🫠🫠

6 hours ago, Olmate said:

And on and on she goes she goes. Look @ me! Fell free to use the report button. 🫠🫠

I was the target of many reports to the Mods. What forum rules do I break, Olmate?

Talk about shoot the messenger. 🤣

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

I was the target of many reports to the Mods. What forum rules do I break, Olmate?

Talk about shoot the messenger. 🤣

How do you know that, we don't report to Mods, methinks you enjoy the attention tho!