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It's a pseudo intellectual narrative stripped of it's post modernist pretentions. :o

Sorry if it offends you. Suegha that is.

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hmmm, people share their views so that they can be discussed or countered. He has failed to do either, so his comments are not about my views.

Seriously Rob, very little offends me. I just feel we should try to be more 'understanding' of other poeple's opinions and views. It would be a dull world if we all thought the same!

Well that's all fine and dandy on the surface but behind the scenes Kat moves in mysterious ways.

Behind the scenes???

ps goodnight - I'm off to bed...

I have yet to see a comment from you about what views or comments that I have actually written, only your impression and false, blanket categorizations.

I am not really attached to the word "deconstruction" at all, and only meant it as a shorthand for subversion through subtext. Just remove the word, and we no longer have the "post-modern" thing, which was never my intent or I would've stated as much.

Not really. I'd much rather not have to convince you of anything. But since I am here to have a discussion, I am gladly clarifying my intent and meaning. If you have anything to say about my actual discussion on the content, by all means .... but if not, I'm really not interested and will not respond to your personal insults.

Moss,

I joined this thread in the hopes of a discussion. Too bad it was in short supply. I look forward to your response though, if it's even possible at this point.

Well that's all fine and dandy on the surface but behind the scenes Kat moves in mysterious ways.

I'm going to say it once. Please obide by the rules of TV. Even in Bedlam.

excessive, aggressive posts against other members, moderators and admin; or flaming will not be tolerated. 'Flaming' is best defined as posting or responding to a message in a way clearly intended to incite useless arguments, rants, and/or for launching personal attacks, insulting, being hateful, useless criticism, name calling, swearing and other bad behavior or comments meant to incite anger

This is a public warning to Robski. I am deleting some of the posts that attack fellow members. Please keep it civil.

Not really. I'd much rather not have to convince you of anything. But since I am here to have a discussion, I am gladly clarifying my intent and meaning. If you have anything to say about my actual discussion on the content, by all means .... but if not, I'm really not interested and will not respond to your personal insults.

I was responding to her narrative, so I used one word instead of 1000 to make my point.

If Kat wants to see an opinion that contradicts her as a personal insult that's up to her. :o

I have yet to see a comment from you about what views or comments that I have actually written, only your impression and false, blanket categorizations.

I am not really attached to the word "deconstruction" at all, and only meant it as a shorthand for subversion through subtext. Just remove the word, and we no longer have the "post-modern" thing, which was never my intent or I would've stated as much.

Also Jockstar if you wish to remove the rather logical response I gave to this post pointing out the irony in it,

surely you should remove that post too otherwise it would seem rather bias, or perhaps an over-reaction... :o

I didn't want to hazard separating quotes. I put my newest comments in pink to make it a bit easier, I hope.

OOOOOOOOO Kat showing pink bits............. :D

:o ................... :D ............... :D

Izzat allowed....?

I didn't want to hazard separating quotes. I put my newest comments in pink to make it a bit easier, I hope.

OOOOOOOOO Kat showing pink bits............. :D

:D ................... :D ............... :D

Izzat allowed....?

Somebody is going to get upset again... :o:D

I think I am on the mark, and if you want to call me political by attempting to openly discuss cultural differences, so be it. But, that is your status quo, not mine.

My point with Robski's previous point is not to psychoanalyze or pigeonhole him, but to point out that it was a use of oppositional irony to dismiss and close down my comments, but not really to counter, discuss, or reach an understanding. It is a form of avoidance.

I think that the discussion of irony/sarcasm, ejits and PC-ness as a euphemism are political/cultural discussions.

For example, Brits often state that Americans don't get irony, and that we are idiots. Ironically, it is often used to pigeonhole us.

However, most of what is called social/verbal irony is just a simple oppositional. But, it can also be used to close down, as I stated to Robski above.

Mossfinn brings up the issue of sarcasm and insecurities in his opening title of the thread, with a quote by an American psychoanalyst-type firm in DC. I think it is provocative, because it points to some essential differences between cultures, and I think Moss expected it to be provocative or he wouldn't of mentioned needing a flak jacket. My previous post merely attempts to begin to state what has until now been unstated.

I think both irony/sarcasm and frank or honest speak both have their place, and assigned cultural values. I think very often in British culture, American plain-speaking is held in low or negative value, and British irony/sarcasm and reserve/understatement in high value.

But, these are merely cultural values that are used as a tool to construct or de-construct meaning. I think, as Mossfinn mentioned in his title, they are also social constructions that seek to deal with (cultural) insecurities.

Whereas the British social/verbal use of irony and understatement would have a positive value in a culture of restraint, non-demonstrativeness and the stiff upper lip, American plain-speaking honesty has a higher value as openness, honesty, emotional accessibility. Obviously, when you challenge one with the other there is a cultural clash, because they are inversely related, where the positive qualities of each can be perceived as negative, because they contradict established social constructions.

Therefore, I see this as a cultural issue, the same as I do with the values assigned to "good", "bad", or ejit.

So, in the American sense, I'm just trying to have a discussion about what is obviously stated or implied but not discussed.

ROBSKI quote:

"I was responding to her narrative, so I used one word instead of 1000 to make my point.

If Kat wants to see an opinion that contradicts her as a personal insult that's up to her. :D"

Also Jockstar if you wish to remove the rather logical response I gave to this post pointing out the irony in it,

surely you should remove that post too otherwise it would seem rather bias, or perhaps an over-reaction... :o

No, I don't think you have responded to my comment at all, and you give yourself far too much credit in terms of irony. In your comment that was erased, you based irony on the notion that I was trying to make a "language analysis", which I am not. I am talking about the assigned cultural values to communication styles of irony/sarcasm and direct-speak. All of your comments have shown a fixation on the one word of "deconstruction" which was added to my comments as an afterthought, and I have now removed. I think it was a poor word choice because it was imprecise and not at all necessary to my point. I have now removed it. Please feel free to engage my comments in a discussion, rather than what you perceive to be my personal characteristics.

That is, if anyone here is in fact interested in a discussion.

Whatever Kat... you just seem to want an argument not a conversation, and the whole reason for this thread has gone right over your head.

I have raised some legitimate points but you just seem to want to focus on my comment "you say tomato and I say oh shut up" claiming it as a personal insult. Really that's not an insult, I could think of much, much worse...

But it seems to be your new thing. PM a mod and see if they care. :o

I have not. All through out this thread, I have taken the time to post honest dialogue on the topic. I have asked open and honest questions. That was met with various forms of avoidance and dismissal, from outright ignoring, personal insults and insinuations, and heckling that questions more my right or place to question or discuss, rather than what I am actually saying.

Please go back to the opening quote of this thread on sarcasm and aggression. We have not even begun to explore this topic to the fullest, but I can now see that you are not really interested in discussing the topic, or my comments.

Thanks for the confirmation.

She's soooooo assertive. :o

TLW

:D

Enough already. Jeezus :o

Seconded. Close this thread! :D

Ask our Anonymous User.. :o

Fifted!

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Enough already. Jeezus :o

Seconded. Close this thread! :D

Thirded!
Forftid.
Ask our Anonymous User.. :D

Fifted!

Why? Is it because we can't discuss in an orderly and civil manner, which is an integral part of the content of the original post.

Moss

Why? Is it because we can't discuss in an orderly and civil manner, which is an integral part of the content of the original post.

Moss

Edit- Never mind. It's not worth it.

Not aimed at you BTW Moss :o

I agree that irony is a better tool than, in yer face agression, but sometimes there is no recourse but to ante up and go for it.

Sixtedified!? :o

:o

Now come on you lot, you know that I am opposed to the closure of threads! :D

I don't think we'll have to close it, it's just died on it's arse! :o

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