Wild Boar Hunting

[Nignoy]

I was going to suggest Splorf that you apply to a german Forst amt for a wild boar permit for a foreigner as long as you are a legally licenced and competent hunter you will have no problem!! Best time is between October and january, Parts of eastern germany are supposed to be brilliant, we have had great success in Schaumburgerwald between Bielefeld and Stadthagen and on the Bodanruck near lake Konstanz .Waidmansheil Nignoy

[LivinLOS]

As I said before I guess my position is anyone that eats meat, cant really criticise someone else for hunting and eating meat, that is of course providing the animal is dispatched as quickly and cleanly as possible...

....and with the least suffering which is not guaranteed by killing an animal (which possesses a rather thick hide) the "sportive" way with an arrow!

Here I pretty much agree with you, there are certainly more humane ways to dispatch an animal than with a bow but I doubt its much worse than the systems employed in the meat industry. I also doubt that the 'thick hide' does much against a compound bow and hunting arrow.

[splorff]

Yes, the boar is defenseless against a gun. Come on, you're NOT suggesting that your life is in any sort of danger. If you really want a challenge and a fair fight, go after a boar with just a knife. Shooting a 'defenseless' boar from a safe distance is neither sporty nor challenging.

Furthermore, doesn't a sport require that both parties are playing? The boar doesn't know that he's in the game. Play paint ball against another human. That's more challenging.

Also, foreigners have a bad enough reputation here as so many come for sex and excessive drinking. Do we really need to show the locals that we don't respect/revere wild animals in addition to this?

"A score of years makes one a man" Um, I would say that there's no fool like an old fool. Living a long time doesn't make you a man. It merely makes you an old man.

The boar has four very sharp dagger type teeth. This means that it is armed for defence. It can hardly be termed defenseless. Surely you can see that. What I carry, be it a bow or gun does not alter the fact that the boar armed, and therefore not defenseless.

Of course a boar hunters life is in danger. People have been killed by boars. I have seen pictures of dogs who have been attacked by boars. They can inflict serious injuries.

Of course a sport does not need two parties playing ! Hunting /fishing are not play pursuits.

A score of years makes one twenty years old. I think most people would agree that twenty year old males are men. Read what you wrote again. You seem to be arguing that old men are not men. What nonsense.

I Think you will find that Thais also hunt and fish etc. They will not be upset that others do it too.

You revere animals then ! Well why not . It takes all sorts. You are a vegetarian then ?

[splorff]

How about you with a bow and arrows and another wanna-be rambo with one as well and the two of you are in the bush together all greased up with camo paint. First to shoot and kill the other one wins. Now THAT is what I call sport. Goddam I'd even pay money to watch that !

Grow up and leave the wildlife alone kid.

Its an offence to kill another human without good cause. But have a go yourself by all means.

I already am grown up kid

[splorff]

Abusive and inflammatory posts have been deleted, despite a public warning from Donna. Keep it up and this thread will be closed.

That is probably what some of them want. Then they can deny freedom of speech to those whose views they disapprove of. A better way to deal with abusive characters is to punish them exclusively. Delete their posts/ prevent them from posting/ban them.

[splorff]

As for eating wild pig ,they are so wormy and disease ridden you would probably throw up before you got a hind quarter off.

I was expecting them to be infected with the pork-tapeworm, but thorough cooking will kill these parasites. Or did you mean another type of worm? What sort are these?

[splorff]

i can only afford to live in the jungle and because i feed on wild rice and some roots my wife collects in the forest

It sounds truly idyllic living in the jungle at Pattaya. And the diet sounds so healthy too. The rice and roots are probably laced with all good things that God intended you to eat.

I am sorry to hear that you are poor though.

Have you and your wife thought about becoming jungle guides ? You could offer tours as you show people around the Pattaya Jungle, showing people just where to pick the forest roots.

Perhaps you could show them where the forest springs are to be found in the Pattaya Jungle. Then they could all drink the precious mineral water.

I would love to come along for the tour. Perhaps after harvesting the roots, we could all stand in a big circle and hold hands while we revere the animals. Bisto will love it I'm sure.

[splorff]

I was going to suggest Splorf that you apply to a german Forst amt for a wild boar permit for a foreigner as long as you are a legally licenced and competent hunter you will have no problem!! Best time is between October and january, Parts of eastern germany are supposed to be brilliant, we have had great success in Schaumburgerwald between Bielefeld and Stadthagen and on the Bodanruck near lake Konstanz .Waidmansheil Nignoy

Thanks for your input Nignoy. I have often thought of travelling abroad to bow hunt, as it is illegal here in the UK for some reason. The authorities seem to think it is acceptable to send a bullet through an animal, but not an arrow !

Package tours are available in the USA and Cananda, but are expensive. Tours are also available in Poland, but it is not cheap there either.

I am really just hoping to fall in with some hunters in LOS and combine a hunt or two with my holiday. I'm sure my Thai friends can find good use for a dead boar.

[RasiMike]

If you are a competent hunter, the suffering (whether by a trap, spear, hook, net, bullet, arrow and/or dog and knife) are directly related to the capability/experience of the human catching and/or and despatching the animal. I would say (IMO), those wild animals experience far less suffering than the domesticated animals that recieve a bolt to the brain after being herded, transported, yarded and then forced into a 'crush' while hearing the bellows of the individuals before it.

Wild boar/sows and piglets (feral) are culled and are exported from northern Australia to Europe (specfically Germany) for consumption (something I have done so for a suplimentary income in former years). The animals are not herded, domesticated nor tame in any way - they are free and living naturally up to the minutes/seconds they are despatched. The threat from transmitable parasites is directly related to the area in Australia/fodder they are consuming etc. Even then, the risk of infection from an infected animal is minimal - if proper proceedure is followed. My associates and I have sat around an open fire and enjoyed just such a meal before..... without any worm problems.

For an individual to believe that they could HUMANELY hunt with a bow (compound/recurve/long) anywhere, without considerable practice and experience is interesting. Does the OP have experience with a heavy (poundage) bow and does he/she have a place to hunt around Phuket? Are there any wild pigs roaming outside of national parks in Thailand?

If so my in-laws would like to know where exactly, as frogs and water beetles are a little scarce in the "dry" and their belief is that there isn't any wild (huntable) game left.

Those westerners that think "the locals" are animal lovers may be shocked at the thought that hunting/breeding/collecting of animals for food is a nessessity, outside the major centres. Thailand is not as these individuals would like to believe. I have witnessed, on more than one occasion, the 'family' beating a poor old pig/bullock over the head for a long and painfull period. Where I live, people have a very practical view of most animals and birds .i.e. protein. Believe it or not it is a necessity for survival in many places where vegetarianism is not recognised. I will not forget the look on my 2yr olds face last year when our "uncle" cut a ducks throat.... He grasped his own throat, watched and then helped "loong" prepare the Larb Phet. Not a wince, nor a flinch between the killing and the eating....... just as natural as can be.

I think that any meat eater on this thread, commenting on the distastefullness of hunting or killing is a naive individual and/or is in denial.

[splorff]

For an individual to believe that they could HUMANELY hunt with a bow (compound/recurve/long) anywhere, without considerable practice and experience is interesting. Does the OP have experience with a heavy (poundage) bow and does he/she have a place to hunt around Phuket? Are there any wild pigs roaming outside of national parks in Thailand?

I think that any meat eater on this thread, commenting on the distastefullness of hunting or killing is a naive individual and/or is in denial.

Hi Mike

Does OP = original poster ? Yes I have a compound bow with a draw weight of 40lbs. I also have several broadheads. I'd simply like to accompany bow hunters on the island when I'm next on holiday there - that is, if there are any.

No I have nowhere to hunt on the island. But a recent post by a lady, alleged that some of her friends were boar hunters on Phuket. She appears to have chosen not to reply to my PM.

I'm not sure if it is possible to humanely kill any animal. We can of course try to limit the trauma. Giving the animal no warning of what is about to happen is a good start. Another is a blow which is lethal and leads to a quick demise. Slaughter houses leave a lot to be desired, and much of farming practice is cruel as you point out.

I would sooner be a feral pig shot by a hunter, than a farmed pig shot by a slaughter man.

I also find it ridiculous that meat eaters who buy it from a shop, decry hunters and hunting. They too are hunters/killers, but do it by proxy. How ridiculous to jump upon the high moral ground and feign outrage. Silly. Plain silly.

[Naam]

i can only afford to live in the jungle and because i feed on wild rice and some roots my wife collects in the forest

It sounds truly idyllic living in the jungle at Pattaya. And the diet sounds so healthy too. The rice and roots are probably laced with all good things that God intended you to eat.

I am sorry to hear that you are poor though.

Have you and your wife thought about becoming jungle guides ? You could offer tours as you show people around the Pattaya Jungle, showing people just where to pick the forest roots.

Perhaps you could show them where the forest springs are to be found in the Pattaya Jungle. Then they could all drink the precious mineral water.

I would love to come along for the tour. Perhaps after harvesting the roots, we could all stand in a big circle and hold hands while we revere the animals. Bisto will love it I'm sure.

we were considering working as jungle guides but that would mean that my wife gives up her three jobs working as a maid for our neighbours

[Naam]

I also find it ridiculous that meat eaters who buy it from a shop, decry hunters and hunting. They too are hunters/killers, but do it by proxy. How ridiculous to jump upon the high moral ground and feign outrage. Silly. Plain silly.

no diversion please, facts only! i haven't seen any postings of meat eaters who decried hunters or hunting. what was decried is the method of hunting. as i mentioned i have been hunting too years ago and i hunted wild boar in Germany and former Czechoslovakia. based on my experience i say that there is no way to kill a grown up boar with an arrow and without hour long suffering. no matter what bow one uses. even a 12.5mm bullet might not kill instantly!

[MsFigure]

I've always wondered if there was wild boar hunting here in Thailand, and if there are any groups out anywhere in Thailand that hunt using dog(o)s.

[splorff]

what was decried is the method of hunting.

based on my experience i say that there is no way to kill a grown up boar with an arrow and without hour long suffering. no matter what bow one uses. even a 12.5mm bullet might not kill instantly!

So you think hunting with a bow is cruel whereas hunting with a gun is not ? This is nonsense. A bullet is designed basically to simply push its way through the body of the prey. A broadhead arrow is designed to cut its way through the body, in so doing, severing arteries and veins, and laying open vascular organs such as the heart, lungs and liver.

Clearly then, a broadhead arrow is better designed to effect a quick kill than a regular bullet.

Both of course are less effective if not carefully placed, but that is common to both.

I cannot agree with your second paragraph. A well placed arrow leads to a quick death, not "hour long suffering". It takes only a minute at most to bleed to death from a severed aorta/significant heart injury etc.

Of course the prey may not die instantly with a gun wound. As I said before, an accurate shot to the vital area is important. Are you now saying that hunting with a gun is cruel ?

Admin I cant see why a previous post of mine was deleted. If this gentleman calls me a pervert, why should I not call him a moron ? The words are equally disparaging. Why have you then not deleted the several posts of his where he calls me a pervert?

[splorff]

I've always wondered if there was wild boar hunting here in Thailand, and if there are any groups out anywhere in Thailand that hunt using dog(o)s.

There is. Just google for "boar hunting Thailand"

I did and read about village men who hunted boar with guns. Maybe for sport, more likely for food.

It seems to me that a good living could be had by an experiencd hunter offering his services as a hunter-guide. Especially if he were a European. I would certainly be interested, even if it were just guns.

I've just found this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iZDEy6GyHY8

There seems to be plenty of boar in LOS

[LivinLOS]

Maybe in Thailand but hardly 'many' (any ??) in Phuket I would think..

[Galong]

1. The boar has four very sharp dagger type teeth. This means that it is armed for defence. It can hardly be termed defenseless.

2. A score of years makes one twenty years old. I think most people would agree that twenty year old males are men. Read what you wrote again. You seem to be arguing that old men are not men. What nonsense.

3. I Think you will find that Thais also hunt and fish etc. They will not be upset that others do it too.

4. You revere animals then ! Well why not . It takes all sorts. You are a vegetarian then ?

1. I think you need to do some research on the type of wild pig here. I've seen and photographed a LOT of them from very close up. They don't have the big tusks. They are not like the massive Razorback pigs. They do have teeth and yes, they could bite you, but as you're safely hiding with your big gun you're not in any danger! If you want a challenge, hunt another human. Hunt something that CAN and WILL fight back. Killing a wild pig with a gun is NOT dangerous. And, what kind of a person with obvious borderline intelligence and a lack of compassion would even think of putting his pet dogs in danger by having them fight with a wild pig! That's not something that I'd be EVER even consider doing. That's sick and cruel.

And furthermore, what is "defence"... is that French for the fence?

2. I think it would be very easy to find plenty of twenty+ year-old males who aren't qualified to be called men. OK, technically-speaking you're a man... you're a big man with a gun... wow. There, do you feel better? Sorry, but being a man in MY BOOK means being mature and responsible. Murdering a wild animal is neither.

3. Um, what's your point? Thais are horribly cruel to animals. I'm sure that they don't care what you do, but the fact remains that if you act like they do, they will think (possibly) that all foreigners think it's OK to kill wild animals... it isn't.

4. Yes, I do revere animals and yes, I am a vegetarian.

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[MsFigure]

I've always wondered if there was wild boar hunting here in Thailand, and if there are any groups out anywhere in Thailand that hunt using dog(o)s.

There is. Just google for "boar hunting Thailand"

I did and read about village men who hunted boar with guns. Maybe for sport, more likely for food.

It seems to me that a good living could be had by an experiencd hunter offering his services as a hunter-guide. Especially if he were a European. I would certainly be interested, even if it were just guns.

I've just found this:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iZDEy6GyHY8

There seems to be plenty of boar in LOS

can't believe I didn't think to google it myself.

Thanks for that.

[Galong]

There seems to be plenty of boar in LOS

I hope you're not saying that there are a LOT of wild pigs just because you watched that extremely poor quality YouTube video. That video was about as good as the "Bigfoot" videos I've seen. I couldn't count the pigs, besides, pigs in a temple don't count as wild pigs, do they?

Yes, there are quite a few and I've seen a lot of them. But, I wouldn't say there are plenty. Who has done the research to say if there is a sustainable amount of wild pigs for the amount of remaining jungle? It's not something that you can simply assume... that's my point.

There 'could' a very healthy number of wild pigs since the Thais have killed almost all of the pig's natural enemies. That in no way makes it acceptable to kill a wild animal... and certainly not by a foreigner... in my opinion.

[MsFigure]

1. The boar has four very sharp dagger type teeth. This means that it is armed for defence. It can hardly be termed defenseless.

2. A score of years makes one twenty years old. I think most people would agree that twenty year old males are men. Read what you wrote again. You seem to be arguing that old men are not men. What nonsense.

3. I Think you will find that Thais also hunt and fish etc. They will not be upset that others do it too.

4. You revere animals then ! Well why not . It takes all sorts. You are a vegetarian then ?

1. I think you need to do some research on the type of wild pig here. I've seen and photographed a LOT of them from very close up. They don't have the big tusks. They are not like the massive Razorback pigs. They do have teeth and yes, they could bite you, but as you're safely hiding with your big gun you're not in any danger! If you want a challenge, hunt another human. Hunt something that CAN and WILL fight back. Killing a wild pig with a gun is NOT dangerous. And, what kind of a person with obvious borderline intelligence and a lack of compassion would even think of putting his pet dogs in danger by having them fight with a wild pig! That's not something that I'd be EVER even consider doing. That's sick and cruel.

And furthermore, what is "defence"... is that French for the fence?

2. I think it would be very easy to find plenty of twenty+ year-old males who aren't qualified to be called men. OK, technically-speaking you're a man... you're a big man with a gun... wow. There, do you feel better? Sorry, but being a man in MY BOOK means being mature and responsible. Murdering a wild animal is neither.

3. Um, what's your point? Thais are horribly cruel to animals. I'm sure that they don't care what you do, but the fact remains that if you act like they do, they will think (possibly) that all foreigners think it's OK to kill wild animals... it isn't.

4. Yes, I do revere animals and yes, I am a vegetarian.

I think you're a barbarian and I ain't gonna say any more, because your parents didn't raise you to respect life and I'm sure nothing I say is going to change your sick point of view.

You don't just use any dogs for hunting - my dogs (Dogo Argentino) were bred for hunting boar and puma, and are still used for this purpose today. The dogs don't actually kill the boar, their job is find and then hold the boar until the hunter kills it with a knife. The dogs also wear protective gear to minimise any injuries.

It may not be PC to admit an interest in hunting, but I could really care less what you or anyone else thinks.

I'm sure you would be just as disgusted if you knew that we feed our python live rabbits.

[pumpuiman]

I met a couple of Hawaiian boar hunters while hiking/camping on Maui. They used teams of dogs trained to fell the beast, each dog grabbing an opposing limb (fore and aft)...Then the hunter dispatches the pig with a slit of the throat.

One of the hunters told a story of being in a tree for two days, as the pig killed his dogs...then went after him...and waited for days beneath the tree that he had scrambled up to escape.

I love wild boar....dining on fresh boar on the side of a volcano under the stars is a time I'll never forget.

I turned down the invitation to go along on a hunt though..."you want come tomorrow braddah? I let you stick pig!!"

[Redted]

1. The boar has four very sharp dagger type teeth. This means that it is armed for defence. It can hardly be termed defenseless.

2. A score of years makes one twenty years old. I think most people would agree that twenty year old males are men. Read what you wrote again. You seem to be arguing that old men are not men. What nonsense.

3. I Think you will find that Thais also hunt and fish etc. They will not be upset that others do it too.

4. You revere animals then ! Well why not . It takes all sorts. You are a vegetarian then ?

1. I think you need to do some research on the type of wild pig here. I've seen and photographed a LOT of them from very close up. They don't have the big tusks. They are not like the massive Razorback pigs. They do have teeth and yes, they could bite you, but as you're safely hiding with your big gun you're not in any danger! If you want a challenge, hunt another human. Hunt something that CAN and WILL fight back. Killing a wild pig with a gun is NOT dangerous. And, what kind of a person with obvious borderline intelligence and a lack of compassion would even think of putting his pet dogs in danger by having them fight with a wild pig! That's not something that I'd be EVER even consider doing. That's sick and cruel.

And furthermore, what is "defence"... is that French for the fence?

2. I think it would be very easy to find plenty of twenty+ year-old males who aren't qualified to be called men. OK, technically-speaking you're a man... you're a big man with a gun... wow. There, do you feel better? Sorry, but being a man in MY BOOK means being mature and responsible. Murdering a wild animal is neither.

3. Um, what's your point? Thais are horribly cruel to animals. I'm sure that they don't care what you do, but the fact remains that if you act like they do, they will think (possibly) that all foreigners think it's OK to kill wild animals... it isn't.

4. Yes, I do revere animals and yes, I am a vegetarian.

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I used to hunt rabbits with ferrets when I was younger but I would always eat some and freeze the rest to feed the ferrets later. I never did like killing the rabbits, but what a frill when catching them in the nets. But I did enjoy my rabbit stews.

I can understand the frill of the hunt and eating your prey after, but I can not understand all the suffering some humans inflict on animals. Set traps to catch your prey without inflicting pain . If your marksman a shot to the head is good, but never to the body ,a slight flinch of the animal could make you loose your target. I think hunting in Phuket would be very hot and tireing, mind the snake!!

The comments that Galond made about his perants seems very personal and unjust. But I’m sure Galond didn’t mean it?

Ted.

[splorff]

but as you're safely hiding with your big gun you're not in any danger!

Clearly you have not read anything I wrote. I am interested in bow-hunting, not hiding anywhere with a gun !

If you want a challenge, hunt another human.

Its illegal, and I would not want to do it anyway

Hunt something that CAN and WILL fight back. Killing a wild pig with a gun is NOT dangerous

Pigs can and do fight. People have been injured by them

And, what kind of a person with obvious borderline intelligence and a lack of compassion would even think of putting his pet dogs in danger by having them fight with a wild pig! That's not something that I'd be EVER even consider doing. That's sick and cruel.

I am not advocating using dogs, that was someone else.

You make yourself seem silly insulting someone else's intelligence. You have never even met this man, or do you mean me?

And furthermore, what is "defence"... is that French for the fence?

How silly ! What now ? Are you going to turn me in to the word police ?

2. I think it would be very easy to find plenty of twenty+ year-old males who aren't qualified to be called men.

What are they then cows, hens sharks or some other species ? Any adult male is a man

OK, technically-speaking you're a man... you're a big man with a gun... wow.

Er, no, I dont own a gun. I never have. Why not start the thread again. You clearly have not understood any of it.

There, do you feel better? Sorry, but being a man in MY BOOK means being mature and responsible. Murdering a wild animal is neither.

Killing an animal is not murder, killing a human may be murder, depending on the nature of the act

3. Um, what's your point? Thais are horribly cruel to animals. I'm sure that they don't care what you do, but the fact remains that if you act like they do, they will think (possibly) that all foreigners think it's OK to kill wild animals... it isn't.

The point was to counter what you said, namely that Thais would think meanly of Europeans if they hunted. This is clearly nonsense, as they do so themselves.

4. Yes, I do revere animals and yes, I am a vegetarian.

Do you hug trees as well ?

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[splorff]

I met a couple of Hawaiian boar hunters while hiking/camping on Maui. They used teams of dogs trained to fell the beast, each dog grabbing an opposing limb (fore and aft)...Then the hunter dispatches the pig with a slit of the throat.

One of the hunters told a story of being in a tree for two days, as the pig killed his dogs...then went after him...and waited for days beneath the tree that he had scrambled up to escape.

I love wild boar....dining on fresh boar on the side of a volcano under the stars is a time I'll never forget.

I bet its good eating, with all the exercise they get running around. Theres much less fat on a boar too. Not like the fatty soft flesh on a farmed one cooped up for its entire life.

Yes boar are quite dangerous, the hunter was lucky there. Not the defenceless little animals gollum thinks they are at all.

[splorff]

The comments that Galond made about his perants seems very personal and unjust. But I’m sure Galond didn’t mean it?

Ted.

He's the sort to readily become abusive to those who have opinions he disagrees with. Just ignore his tantrums.

[Nignoy]

In answer to the silly question earlier on in thread, Is Defence French of course its not its australian, its in my garden , Defence is next too De Gate Nignoy

[splorff]

In answer to the silly question earlier on in thread, Is Defence French of course its not its australian, its in my garden , Defence is next too De Gate Nignoy

I nearly answered this for him earlier. Defence is the correct spelling to British English speakers.

Defense is the correct spelling for American English speakers.

I thought everyone knew that.

[dave_boo]

At the risk of being accused of being a "Redneck American" (which would be patently false--I lived in Ohio pretty much my whole life) I want to jump into this thread on the side of the OP.

He is quite correct that a well placed broadhead arrow will drop most anything in a short span. There's a reason that humans used it for millenium. It could even be argued that except for our penchant of murdering each other we'd still be using this system.

Up in Nakhon Sawn, most of the wild pigs I have seen taken have not been the large boars that you usually seen taken in the States. While that could be that the large ones are much more apt at evading humans and their traps, I think you could actually state that the danger level is much lower here than there.

And yes, that's how the locals take them. They set up traps. And they use lead shot and blackpowder mixed into a steel tube with a tripwire mechanism. As you can guess, that's neither accurate nor humane. I've seen a few traps where they recognise this and so then rig up a secondary gun to fire after the pig starts running after being peppered with the first shot(s).

Now, since there are few to no natural predators of wild pigs in Thailand, I think it's not that bad of an idea to hunt them. Without something controlling their population, there'd be a huge explosion in their numbers. We all know that pigs are prolific breeders, and the thought of them overwhelming their food supply and having to starve to death in mass should even make vegetarians shudder. A few moments of suffering for a few pigs is much better than a long time of suffering for all in my book.

As a side note, I want to affirm the way that Thais dispatch the pigs they prepare for parties. I bought two pigs once for a village party. The first one they took a framing hammer to its forehead. Poor bastard squealed and squealed. I remember them whacking it a minimum of 3 times. Then they stuck a knife into it's heart. Cue even more screaming. There's nothing worst than an animal (human included) screaming its death throes. On the second one, I got a larger hammer, like one of those mini-sledge styles they use for metal work, and showed them how to pull the sack down from the whole body to just over the head. A careful aim and a strike for all I was worth at the base of the skull essentially finished that one. They still knifed it through the heart, but at least I could rest better since it was for all intents and purposes dead before that.

Now why for that last paragraph? I guess I wanted to demonstrate that those who aren't opposed to hunting can still be empathetic. My biggest question though is to the detractors, especially those who are vegetarians; why do you refuse others the right to provide them and their's food, and if you're a vegetarian are you one because of religious beliefs--if so and your Buddhist, do you think that it's in accordance with his teachings to be so hate filled toward others?

[Naam]

At the risk of being accused of being a "Redneck American" (which would be patently false--I lived in Ohio pretty much my whole life) I want to jump into this thread on the side of the OP.

He is quite correct that a well placed broadhead arrow will drop most anything in a short span. There's a reason that humans used it for millenium.

i can't comment on "ohio" boars but i have been several times present when "european" boars were broken up, skinned and lead bullets removed. the location of the bullets in the (european) boar's body were proof that any arrow wouldn't have done much damage except causing the animal a lot of suffering. not uncommon was the fact that a boar wounded a couple of dogs even though being hit several times by big calibre / high powered ammunition.

[dave_boo]

At the risk of being accused of being a "Redneck American" (which would be patently false--I lived in Ohio pretty much my whole life) I want to jump into this thread on the side of the OP.

He is quite correct that a well placed broadhead arrow will drop most anything in a short span. There's a reason that humans used it for millenium.

i can't comment on "ohio" boars but i have been several times present when "european" boars were broken up, skinned and lead bullets removed. the location of the bullets in the (european) boar's body were proof that any arrow wouldn't have done much damage except causing the animal a lot of suffering. not uncommon was the fact that a boar wounded a couple of dogs even though being hit several times by big calibre / high powered ammunition.

I intentionally put in the part that you highlighted for a specific reason. Anyone that has been boar hunting knows that they're tough critters. I'd be willing to bet a week's pay (consoled in the fact that you probably make much more than I each week ) that most of the bullets you saw removed were in the shoulder region of the boar. Not only do the boars have much thicker skin in that area (used as armor when they're fighting), but the thickness of their shoulderblades and other bones in that area make it a very tough area to do major damage to. I read earlier in the thread that someone claimed they could take a 12.6 mm (.50 cal for us 'Colonials') round to a boar and it would not kill them outright. While in the states that's a common deer hunting round it's only used in black powder hunting. Any cartridge bullets using that calibre are going to split a boar in half.

The best shots I have seen on a boar using broadheads have either been straight through the heart or a neck shot. A neck shot is almost as good, since a broadhead will open up the veins running through there, letting the hog drain out in seconds and creating a very visible, if brief, blood trail.