State Of Emergency Announced In Bangkok

[ubonjoe]

DAAD cancels rally in Samut Prakan

The Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship Thursday removed its rally stage in Samut Prakan and announced its decision to halt its rally against the People's Alliance for Democracy.

The stage was demolished at about 4 pm.

One of its leaders, Pornchai Korwattanamongkol announced that the DAAD had resolved to stop rallies nationwide to give the government a free hand to take action against the PAD.

The Nation

[blaze]

I would love to see Sondhi explain to the North and the North East on national TV his new politics. Then they would indeed have a mob in Bangkok.

Hmm, their Assembly of the Poor is guaranteed to get MP representation, and so are a dozen of pressure groups who regularly come to Bangkok to make themselves heard. Would they go on a pitchfork march to Bangkok for letting them into the parlament instead of camping on the stairs of the Labour Ministry?

Now that would be really stupid. Do you think they are stupid?

Plus- where did you get this information about sector representation? I'm not challenging it- it's just that I'm totally unfamiliar with it in the PAD context (I am familiar with it in the context of various dictatorships- fascist as well as communist) but from what I have heard from Sondhi, the appointees would be selected basically on their 'goodness'- kind of like the way the appointed component of the senate is selected.

Edited September 4, 2008 by blaze

[sriracha john]

Thai cabinet agrees referendum on political crisis

In a fresh effort to defuse the political crisis, Thailand's cabinet agreed today to a hold a referendum hours after beleaguered prime minister Samak Sundaravej again vowed he would not resign in a national radio address.

No date was set for the referendum and the form it would take remained sketchy. But a minister said it would ask a range of questions on whether the government should step down or dissolve parliament.

But in a rambling 50-minute address to the nation Samak dashed expectations that he would resign, saying he had a mandate to govern and needed to protect democracy.

"I will not jump ship, I will be in control," he said in an almost jocular address that appeared to taunt his opponents. "I can tell you I will not quit. I will not dissolve parliament. I will stay to protect democracy," he said.

The thousands of protesters who have occupied the grounds of his Government House offices for 10 days greeted the address, relayed to them on loudspeakers, with jeers and resolved to stay until Samak meets their demand to quit.

"As long as he insists on staying on, we will not go anywhere," Sondhi Limthongkul, a People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) leader, told the cheering throng of demonstrators. "It doesn't matter how many days or years, or even into the next life."

The move to hold a referendum appears to be an attempt by the prime minister to regain the initiative. The declaration of emergency rule failed to change the status quo when the army refused to use force to evict the Government House protesters.

Earlier court orders obtained by the government to clear the grounds and arrest the protest leaders also had little effect after the police were unable to serve the notices or dislodge the people camped inside the barricaded compound.

- Guardian / 2008-09-04

[sriracha john]

To begin with, the referendum issue should be a non-starter. It's an inappropriate vehicle aimed only at stalling. It's sketchy even by PPP's own admission with an indefinite timeline that would be months and months down the line and at the end of which would prove nothing.

Is this the best the Leadership can come up with?

Are you serious? Some of you guys see able to convince yourselves of ANYTHING as long as it fits your ultimate objective.

Obviously it would prove more than "nothing". It would prove whether the population wants Samak to leave or not. Seems pretty straightforward to me. And what's wrong with "months and months" if that's how long it takes to get a good answer via a referendum. Patience. Good grief, the guy was elected THIS YEAR! Calm your horses!

If you think the country can maintain for months and months and months what has happened over the past two weeks, then ok.

btw, what is my ultimate objective?

Edited September 4, 2008 by sriracha john

[blaze]

I don't think that PAD can win the referendum, because the PPP probably has more money to buy votes. Plus they control the TV channels. Sondhi has no access to the regular TV channels (only his satelite ASTV, which most people in the North don't get to see)

Even of PAD did win a referendum, Samaks buddies would just run again in their new, already created party and buy votes once more.

By the way, I predicted the referendum announcement last night already, when others thought he was going to announce that he would step down. Samak and his henchmen have been quite predictable through this whole thing.

Too much rice - not enough Protein

You've covered all your bases haven't you. If PAD can't win votes it's because of "vote buying". Absolute falsehood. It is because PAD does not represent the views of enough voters. Period.

If PAD cannot indoctrinate, it is because it doesn't have access to media? Again, an odd claim as almost all media outlets have been heavily pro PAD.

If PAD fails, it is because of Samak? More weak logic. On one hand you claim Samak is weak and has no support and yet now you claim he has mysterious powers that will allow him to control all. Can you please pick a conspiracy theory and stick with it. Thank you.

I would love to see Sondhi explain to the North and the North East on national TV his new politics. Then they would indeed have a mob in Bangkok.

Not difficult

"get 500 Baht and vote PAD, we write in the constitution free lao kao for everyone" "Yeah super, Sondhi we love you"

I gather from what you are saying that the upcountry citizens are so content with their situation that they really don't care which side wins just as long as they can get drunk.

Maybe in addition to the lao khao and 15 dollars, you could suggest a handful of shiny beads.

How many elitists throughout history and across the globe from colonialists to fat cat capitalists have learned to their disemboweled peril that these notions are not only insulting- but wrong!

Edited September 4, 2008 by blaze

[blaze]

To begin with, the referendum issue should be a non-starter. It's an inappropriate vehicle aimed only at stalling. It's sketchy even by PPP's own admission with an indefinite timeline that would be months and months down the line and at the end of which would prove nothing.

Is this the best the Leadership can come up with?

Are you serious? Some of you guys see able to convince yourselves of ANYTHING as long as it fits your ultimate objective.

Obviously it would prove more than "nothing". It would prove whether the population wants Samak to leave or not. Seems pretty straightforward to me. And what's wrong with "months and months" if that's how long it takes to get a good answer via a referendum. Patience. Good grief, the guy was elected THIS YEAR! Calm your horses!

If you think the country can maintain for months and months and months what has happened over the past two weeks, then ok.

btw, what is my ultimate objective?

The country neither can nor will wait- Thais are not comfortable with conflict- a contentious situation will rapidly reach boiling point. And the referendum is only going to add more heat as the war of words, and accusations, and very likely worse- is allowed to simmer. I'm not optimistic- I see NO way out. The scariest thing might well be that the PAD occupation of government house has lowered the bar for all parties as to what is an acceptable way to oppose the government policies. The next step could very well be what we are seeing in the south. I hope not- but -

[h90]

I don't think that PAD can win the referendum, because the PPP probably has more money to buy votes. Plus they control the TV channels. Sondhi has no access to the regular TV channels (only his satelite ASTV, which most people in the North don't get to see)

Even of PAD did win a referendum, Samaks buddies would just run again in their new, already created party and buy votes once more.

By the way, I predicted the referendum announcement last night already, when others thought he was going to announce that he would step down. Samak and his henchmen have been quite predictable through this whole thing.

Too much rice - not enough Protein

You've covered all your bases haven't you. If PAD can't win votes it's because of "vote buying". Absolute falsehood. It is because PAD does not represent the views of enough voters. Period.

If PAD cannot indoctrinate, it is because it doesn't have access to media? Again, an odd claim as almost all media outlets have been heavily pro PAD.

If PAD fails, it is because of Samak? More weak logic. On one hand you claim Samak is weak and has no support and yet now you claim he has mysterious powers that will allow him to control all. Can you please pick a conspiracy theory and stick with it. Thank you.

I would love to see Sondhi explain to the North and the North East on national TV his new politics. Then they would indeed have a mob in Bangkok.

Not difficult

"get 500 Baht and vote PAD, we write in the constitution free lao kao for everyone" "Yeah super, Sondhi we love you"

I gather from what you are saying that the upcountry citizens are so content with their situation that they really don't care which side wins just as long as they can get drunk.

Maybe in addition to the lao khao and 15 dollars, you could suggest a handful of shiny beads.

How many elitists throughout history and across the globe from colonialists to fat cat capitalists have learned to their disemboweled peril that these notions are not only insulting- but wrong!

The last elections in Thailand show that they are right. Toxin paid, ripped them off, gave them credits for mobile phones, try to take their lands....So it works. The fat cat capitalists have the problem that they don't want to pay even that. Count the population....Even 200 Baht per head is a lot money.

[BigSnake]

State of emergency announced in Bangkok

PM to have absolute control; PAD to go on protesting despite state of emergency; more people join protest at Government House, pro-goverment protesters dispersse

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej Tuesday announced the state of emergency in Bangkok following a clash between the pro and anti-government supporters early in the morning.

Reasoning that some groups of people caused disturbances in Bangkok that affect the peace and security, Samak announced the enforcement of the Emergency Decree on Public Administration in Emergency Situations in Bangkok.

The prime minister's order also appointed the army chief to be in charge of enforcing the emergency decree in Bangkok.

Thai PBS said the PM's order would exempt the enforcement paragraph 1 of Article 9 which prohibit people from leaving their houses, meaning peole can still go t work.

The station said the announcement would prohibit gathering of more than five people.

the

But the state of emerency authorises the authorities to evict people from any place or prohibit them from enteirng a place.

The state of emergency also prohibits news publicity in a way that terrifies the public.

The state of emergency also allows the authorities to detain suspects for seven days and would prohibit people from making illegal entries into government offices.

Pro-government protesters dispersesd soon after learning about the the emerency situation announcement.

But the leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy said the protest would continue at Government House.

Thai PBS reporter reported from the scene that more people came out to join the rally Tuesday morning.

Democrat Party MP Sathit Wongnongtoey said the state of emergency would allow the prime minister to have absolute control.

Sathit said it seemed that the government foresaw the violence and state of emergency. He said the prime minster and People Power MPs indicated the violence would take place when they spoke during a debate on the political crisis Sunday night.

-- The Nation 2008-08-02

Mr Samak absolute power, I don't think so; if I read my Tea leaves right the Army Chief, Gen Aupong is the MAN with the BIG Stick in the big Mango. Thus far the Gen has shown great restraint.

[h90]

To begin with, the referendum issue should be a non-starter. It's an inappropriate vehicle aimed only at stalling. It's sketchy even by PPP's own admission with an indefinite timeline that would be months and months down the line and at the end of which would prove nothing.

Is this the best the Leadership can come up with?

Are you serious? Some of you guys see able to convince yourselves of ANYTHING as long as it fits your ultimate objective.

Obviously it would prove more than "nothing". It would prove whether the population wants Samak to leave or not. Seems pretty straightforward to me. And what's wrong with "months and months" if that's how long it takes to get a good answer via a referendum. Patience. Good grief, the guy was elected THIS YEAR! Calm your horses!

If you think the country can maintain for months and months and months what has happened over the past two weeks, then ok.

btw, what is my ultimate objective?

The country neither can nor will wait- Thais are not comfortable with conflict- a contentious situation will rapidly reach boiling point. And the referendum is only going to add more heat as the war of words, and accusations, and very likely worse- is allowed to simmer. I'm not optimistic- I see NO way out. The scariest thing might well be that the PAD occupation of government house has lowered the bar for all parties as to what is an acceptable way to oppose the government policies. The next step could very well be what we are seeing in the south. I hope not- but -

Actually I am surprise that Thais are that calm.

From both points of view it would be not acceptable: Such a premier (1976 just one died)

or the siege of the government house

[blaze]

State of emergency announced in Bangkok

PM to have absolute control; PAD to go on protesting despite state of emergency; more people join protest at Government House, pro-goverment protesters dispersse

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Samak Sundaravej Tuesday announced the state of emergency in Bangkok following a clash between the pro and anti-government supporters early in the morning.

Reasoning that some groups of people caused disturbances in Bangkok that affect the peace and security, Samak announced the enforcement of the Emergency Decree on Public Administration in Emergency Situations in Bangkok.

The prime minister's order also appointed the army chief to be in charge of enforcing the emergency decree in Bangkok.

Thai PBS said the PM's order would exempt the enforcement paragraph 1 of Article 9 which prohibit people from leaving their houses, meaning peole can still go t work.

The station said the announcement would prohibit gathering of more than five people.

the

But the state of emerency authorises the authorities to evict people from any place or prohibit them from enteirng a place.

The state of emergency also prohibits news publicity in a way that terrifies the public.

The state of emergency also allows the authorities to detain suspects for seven days and would prohibit people from making illegal entries into government offices.

Pro-government protesters dispersesd soon after learning about the the emerency situation announcement.

But the leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy said the protest would continue at Government House.

Thai PBS reporter reported from the scene that more people came out to join the rally Tuesday morning.

Democrat Party MP Sathit Wongnongtoey said the state of emergency would allow the prime minister to have absolute control.

Sathit said it seemed that the government foresaw the violence and state of emergency. He said the prime minster and People Power MPs indicated the violence would take place when they spoke during a debate on the political crisis Sunday night.

-- The Nation 2008-08-02

Mr Samak absolute power, I don't think so; if I read my Tea leaves right the Army Chief, Gen Aupong is the MAN with the BIG Stick in the big Mango. Thus far the Gen has shown great restraint.

Restraint? There are other words for what he has shown- like 'independence'.

[blaze]

I don't think that PAD can win the referendum, because the PPP probably has more money to buy votes. Plus they control the TV channels. Sondhi has no access to the regular TV channels (only his satelite ASTV, which most people in the North don't get to see)

Even of PAD did win a referendum, Samaks buddies would just run again in their new, already created party and buy votes once more.

By the way, I predicted the referendum announcement last night already, when others thought he was going to announce that he would step down. Samak and his henchmen have been quite predictable through this whole thing.

Too much rice - not enough Protein

You've covered all your bases haven't you. If PAD can't win votes it's because of "vote buying". Absolute falsehood. It is because PAD does not represent the views of enough voters. Period.

If PAD cannot indoctrinate, it is because it doesn't have access to media? Again, an odd claim as almost all media outlets have been heavily pro PAD.

If PAD fails, it is because of Samak? More weak logic. On one hand you claim Samak is weak and has no support and yet now you claim he has mysterious powers that will allow him to control all. Can you please pick a conspiracy theory and stick with it. Thank you.

I would love to see Sondhi explain to the North and the North East on national TV his new politics. Then they would indeed have a mob in Bangkok.

Not difficult

"get 500 Baht and vote PAD, we write in the constitution free lao kao for everyone" "Yeah super, Sondhi we love you"

I gather from what you are saying that the upcountry citizens are so content with their situation that they really don't care which side wins just as long as they can get drunk.

Maybe in addition to the lao khao and 15 dollars, you could suggest a handful of shiny beads.

How many elitists throughout history and across the globe from colonialists to fat cat capitalists have learned to their disemboweled peril that these notions are not only insulting- but wrong!

The last elections in Thailand show that they are right. Toxin paid, ripped them off, gave them credits for mobile phones, try to take their lands....So it works. The fat cat capitalists have the problem that they don't want to pay even that. Count the population....Even 200 Baht per head is a lot money.

I really think you should talk to some of the Thaksin supporters some time- just be a bit---- prudent. They don't quite see it like you do.

[sriracha john]

The People's Network for Elections, an independent election watchdog, also says the public referendum would be pointless as there probably already exists efforts to buy votes from the people.

- TOC

[sriracha john]

Seems Issanites take their ASTV serious.... but hey, if the country can handle months and months and months of this waiting for a referendum with this sort of misunderstanding leading to possibly disastrous results, then ok.

Bomb Threat at Buri Ram Cable after ASTV's Signal Disrupted

The local cable TV company in Buri Ram Province reveals that the company received a bomb threat after the ASTV signal provided by the cable network had problems. The company insisted they have not cut off the ASTV signal.

BF Cable TV network manager in Buri Ram Province, Taweepong Kraironnapoom revealed to the press that the company recently received a bomb threat through an anonymous phone call after ASTV's transmission reported problems recently.

He said that someone also drove to the park in front of the company office and called out, blaming the company after problems with the ASTV signal occurred.

Taweepong added that the company provides a signal for TV programs without political bias and insists that the company did not cut off the ASTV signal from the station.

He says interruptions in the ASTV signal occur sometimes due to satellite problems.

Taweepong says the company has received up to 400 telephone complaints per day by phone. Some customers say they will withdraw their cable contacts due to the interrupted ASTV signal.

- TOC

Edited September 4, 2008 by sriracha john

[catmac]

Sister of slain government supporter files complaint against PAD leaders

The sister of a government supporter killed during a clash with protesters early Tuesday filed a complaint with police against six leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy.

Chaba Singhaklangpol, 70, the sister of Narongsak Korbthaisong, filed the complaint at the Nangloeng police station.

She accused the six leaders of organizing protests, leading to the clash and death of her brother.

The six are Somsak Kosaisuk, Somkiart Pongpaiboon, Pipop Thongchai, Chamlong Srimuang, Sondhi Limthongkul and Suriyasai Katasila.

The Nation

Right on scedule.

I wonder which PPP MP's or their lawyers accompanied her to file the complaint.

What about her brother's personal responsability for going near the rally?

He went to PAD's site, not the other way round.

Poor lady is being manipulated in her grieving state. Disgusting!

What else would you expect from the mentally challenged low-lifes associated with the criminal element that passes itself off as the "government" of Thailand - any excuse to try and make mileage at someone else's expense.

PAD should counter this with advise to her and assisting with a typical toxin claim of a few hundred million Bht against PPP for enticing her brother to participate in this rally, knowing full well that their sole role was to confront the PAD and create a violent confrontation to their own ends.

HOW LOW CAN PPP GO?

NOT MUCH LOWER -- but I'm sure they are working away in the background to get to a lower level.

Thank you, Artisi, for that well thought out, considerate and fair comment.

I seem to remember reading a post from someone who said they could tell who was posting from the drivel that was written

Anyway, look forward to your next incisive analysis of the current political scene.

[h90]

I don't think that PAD can win the referendum, because the PPP probably has more money to buy votes. Plus they control the TV channels. Sondhi has no access to the regular TV channels (only his satelite ASTV, which most people in the North don't get to see)

Even of PAD did win a referendum, Samaks buddies would just run again in their new, already created party and buy votes once more.

By the way, I predicted the referendum announcement last night already, when others thought he was going to announce that he would step down. Samak and his henchmen have been quite predictable through this whole thing.

Too much rice - not enough Protein

You've covered all your bases haven't you. If PAD can't win votes it's because of "vote buying". Absolute falsehood. It is because PAD does not represent the views of enough voters. Period.

If PAD cannot indoctrinate, it is because it doesn't have access to media? Again, an odd claim as almost all media outlets have been heavily pro PAD.

If PAD fails, it is because of Samak? More weak logic. On one hand you claim Samak is weak and has no support and yet now you claim he has mysterious powers that will allow him to control all. Can you please pick a conspiracy theory and stick with it. Thank you.

I would love to see Sondhi explain to the North and the North East on national TV his new politics. Then they would indeed have a mob in Bangkok.

Not difficult

"get 500 Baht and vote PAD, we write in the constitution free lao kao for everyone" "Yeah super, Sondhi we love you"

I gather from what you are saying that the upcountry citizens are so content with their situation that they really don't care which side wins just as long as they can get drunk.

Maybe in addition to the lao khao and 15 dollars, you could suggest a handful of shiny beads.

How many elitists throughout history and across the globe from colonialists to fat cat capitalists have learned to their disemboweled peril that these notions are not only insulting- but wrong!

The last elections in Thailand show that they are right. Toxin paid, ripped them off, gave them credits for mobile phones, try to take their lands....So it works. The fat cat capitalists have the problem that they don't want to pay even that. Count the population....Even 200 Baht per head is a lot money.

I really think you should talk to some of the Thaksin supporters some time- just be a bit---- prudent. They don't quite see it like you do.

would like to know if they take the 500 Baht or not

[blaze]

The People's Network for Elections, an independent election watchdog, also says the public referendum would be pointless as there probably already exists efforts to buy votes from the people.

- TOC

Did they say, by which side?

[h90]

Two Ramkamhaeng University students shot on the way to PM's residence

Two Ramkamhaeng University students were shot as they and other students were marching to residence of prime minister in Buengkhum district.

Lardprao police chief Pol Col Somsak Bunsaeng said a man on a motorcycle shot the students, injuring two.

The injured were among about 100 students who marched to Samak's residence to protest against his government.

Somsak said the shooting happened although police have provided safety along the way.

The march started from the university through Lamsalee Intersection to Soi Nawamin 81 where his residence is.

from the nation

Edited September 4, 2008 by h90

[h90]

The People's Network for Elections, an independent election watchdog, also says the public referendum would be pointless as there probably already exists efforts to buy votes from the people.

- TOC

Did they say, by which side?

Maybe these who did it in the last 4 elections?

[blaze]

I don't think that PAD can win the referendum, because the PPP probably has more money to buy votes. Plus they control the TV channels. Sondhi has no access to the regular TV channels (only his satelite ASTV, which most people in the North don't get to see)

Even of PAD did win a referendum, Samaks buddies would just run again in their new, already created party and buy votes once more.

By the way, I predicted the referendum announcement last night already, when others thought he was going to announce that he would step down. Samak and his henchmen have been quite predictable through this whole thing.

Too much rice - not enough Protein

You've covered all your bases haven't you. If PAD can't win votes it's because of "vote buying". Absolute falsehood. It is because PAD does not represent the views of enough voters. Period.

If PAD cannot indoctrinate, it is because it doesn't have access to media? Again, an odd claim as almost all media outlets have been heavily pro PAD.

If PAD fails, it is because of Samak? More weak logic. On one hand you claim Samak is weak and has no support and yet now you claim he has mysterious powers that will allow him to control all. Can you please pick a conspiracy theory and stick with it. Thank you.

I would love to see Sondhi explain to the North and the North East on national TV his new politics. Then they would indeed have a mob in Bangkok.

Not difficult

"get 500 Baht and vote PAD, we write in the constitution free lao kao for everyone" "Yeah super, Sondhi we love you"

I gather from what you are saying that the upcountry citizens are so content with their situation that they really don't care which side wins just as long as they can get drunk.

Maybe in addition to the lao khao and 15 dollars, you could suggest a handful of shiny beads.

How many elitists throughout history and across the globe from colonialists to fat cat capitalists have learned to their disemboweled peril that these notions are not only insulting- but wrong!

The last elections in Thailand show that they are right. Toxin paid, ripped them off, gave them credits for mobile phones, try to take their lands....So it works. The fat cat capitalists have the problem that they don't want to pay even that. Count the population....Even 200 Baht per head is a lot money.

I really think you should talk to some of the Thaksin supporters some time- just be a bit---- prudent. They don't quite see it like you do.

would like to know if they take the 500 Baht or not

Best way to find out is just go to some guys with red shirts and tell them that as a loyal follower of the PAD youl'd like to offer them 500 baht to switch their allegience- a lot of the motorcycle taxis iin my neighborhood would welcome the 'exchange'.

[thaigene2]

Five Crucial Steps for Ending Crisis

By The Nation

Isn't this a tad unrealistic?

Please read the second line : "By The Nation". What do you expect ?

I remember the answer of TV adm. responding to critics questioning their impartiality because of their frequent use of The Nation articles : Because it's free !

You pay peanuts, you get monkey !

It's because they sympathise with the royalist, anti-one-person-one-vote position. Why else? - Good little syncophants to the Nation's aristocratic familes and their 'western educated' kids who work there - now how did daddy make the money to do that given his 37,688 baht per month salary - mai lue! (Then again could the Nation pablum be worse than silver spoon Nat and the Nat b+tch whatever her stupid name is)..

back to the farangs and their reason for being PAD chearleaders -- (at least the "business' farangs..he, he..'business' yeah right..real pros) all their little questionable companies are on the line....ya know. "Oy mate I'm a biznessman..Wanna set up a business? Wanna buy a house?" They're all previous time-share dealers from majorca named "Stevie, mate - OY- Got a spare fag, then?"..Or perhaps slightly more upmarket guest house operators in goofy little crap-holes that no one really wants to visit, dodgy teachers at schools that pay crap money but will pay more than two months salary for the work permit, etc..

Their views are so important...yet some seem to callt he shots here. Amu-Z-ing.

[kurtgruen]

Kurt, nobody is perfect (least of all me, don't take my criticism of you too personally .... I think many of us are really getting worked up by the bloody farce we are seeing on the streets of Bangkok, so I'm sorry if you took offense)

All along the oponents of PAD and Sondhi have made it crystal clear that they are not excusing Samak, Thaksin and TRT/PPP for the criminal things they did, but we were much more scared of Sondhi's perverted vendetta, his loathsome corrupt past, his neo-fascist views on voting (or rather on not-voting if you're poor and your skin is the wrong colour!), etc., etc. And then the bloody murderer of those Muslims, General Panlop was seen sliding into the PAD leadership!!!!! Too much for any right-thinking man.

It's interesting how the PAD supporters on this forum know so little about the PAD leaders.... I recommend they all give their names a google and have a read on wikipedia and others. You may be surprised what hypercrites they all are....

It's interesting on how people on this forum think Wikipedia is the ultimate truth.

I suggest you read this short exchange between Laopo and I, a single post that shows you wiki is as divided as Thaivisa members are on the issue.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?s=...t&p=2183108

No offense taken, but thanks.

As for Wikipedia, anyone can go there and put any information in that they like. I used to use it for promoting our restaurant, but wouldn't use it for finding information. I thought it was pretty lame, if it just let guys like me go on and change things on there

Too much rice - not enough Protein

[sriracha john]

Sister of slain government supporter files complaint against PAD leaders

The sister of a government supporter killed during a clash with protesters early Tuesday filed a complaint with police against six leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy.

Chaba Singhaklangpol, 70, the sister of Narongsak Korbthaisong, filed the complaint at the Nangloeng police station.

She accused the six leaders of organizing protests, leading to the clash and death of her brother.

The six are Somsak Kosaisuk, Somkiart Pongpaiboon, Pipop Thongchai, Chamlong Srimuang, Sondhi Limthongkul and Suriyasai Katasila.

The Nation

Right on scedule.

I wonder which PPP MP's or their lawyers accompanied her to file the complaint.

What about her brother's personal responsability for going near the rally?

He went to PAD's site, not the other way round.

Poor lady is being manipulated in her grieving state. Disgusting!

Charges Filed against PAD Leaders for Death from Rally Clash

The pro-government DAAD leaders and the sister of the victim who was killed during the rally clash on September 2nd between the DAAD and the People's Alliance for Democracy asked the police today to file charges against the PAD leaders for the incident.

Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship Leader Wiphuthalaeng Wattanapoomthai led Chaba Singhaklangpon, the sister of Narongsak Korbtaisong, who was killed during the clash on September 2nd, to inform the Nangleong police and file charges against the PAD leaders.

The two asked the police to file charges against the five PAD leaders and PAD coordinator for the clash that led to the death of Narongsak.

The chaos on Ratchadamneon Avenue occurred when the DAAD broke through the police barricades in an attempt to move from Sanam Luang to the PAD's Makawan rally site. Both sides clashed in front of the United Nations building, resulting in one death and 44 people injured.

The Nangleong police said they will question five witnesses but so far, they are not filing charges.

- TOC

Edited September 4, 2008 by sriracha john

[catmac]

Ghandi in action....

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/O...80902104646.jpg

It's interesting isn't it that the first person to die in these tensions was not a PAD supporter. Hmmm and I dont see in any of the pictures from the incident on Tuesday PAD using self defence techniques more like clubbing the opposition to death.

The opposition that got clubbed wasn't anywhere around for at least a hundred days, then decided to set up camp nearby, were intoxicated and WALKED TOWARDS the PAD rally weapons in hand, escorted by police with no resistance whatsoever, conveniently, the State of Emergency was declared once one was killed and 40 some hurt.

F* self-defence when a group intentionally marches towards and attacks an immobile group with deadly weapons.

Had they remained in Sanam Luang, none of this would have happened, it was clearly coordinated between police/DAAD/govt. to declare a State of Emergency which has had absolutely no purpose since then.

As always, you state facts that are in clear contradiction of eyewitness reports, i.e. PAD guards whipped up into a frenzy from the stage and then sent to repulse DAAD at the bridge. DAAD did not attack the PAD demo at Gov. Hse. Had they done so, the defence of "self-defence" could have been used.

[blaze]

The People's Network for Elections, an independent election watchdog, also says the public referendum would be pointless as there probably already exists efforts to buy votes from the people.

- TOC

Did they say, by which side?

Maybe these who did it in the last 4 elections?

Chart Thai, Democrats and PPP- not to mention the lesser parties-

Really H20- if you would destroy your enemy- first you must know him- and I really don't think you know the Thaksin supporters at all. One of the things I find really unnerving about them is that they don't view Thaksin simply as a politico that gave them some hand outs- nor even as the first polititian to reflect back to them their worth as citizens- but rather - I'm sorry to say this- in many cases, almost like a cargo cult- the great liberator. And that's where I say- whoa now boys----

the notion that most of those who support Thaksin only do so for the 500 baht (when if fact, given the popularity of the party in the last two elections, it would have been pretty stupid for the TRT particularly and also the PPP to waste a lot of money buying votes that were already pretty much guaranteed) reminds a bit of the notion that the Japanese pilots couldn't see at night.

On this forum we have gone round and round about this vote buying- and I think (though some might disagree) that the consensus was that while there may have been vote buying- the vast majority of TRT and PPP supporters were genuine.

Yours is a self serving and convenient view- yes, some of those Japanese pilots could not see at night- but the allies learned to late- that most could!

Edited September 4, 2008 by blaze

[sriracha john]

The People's Network for Elections, an independent election watchdog, also says the public referendum would be pointless as there probably already exists efforts to buy votes from the people.

- TOC

Did they say, by which side?

I guess they felt it would be

pointless

to say.

[thaigene2]

Oh it's always the same old anti-thakisn brigade with the same old sky is falling 'vote buying' stories.

You know as well as anyone, the Isaan and Northern voters (the majority) would vote for these guys with or without ANY money. You just won't admit it publicly.

So a referendum? You'll take the same position as the Yellow-Peril guys in PAD (my name from now on - Copyright 2008 Thaigene2) where the position is that there can be no fair referendum because of vote buying right?

Ha, Ha, Ha.....Pathetic. You'll lose you know it. And so do the Sakdina/Feudals - and my guess is THEY won't let it get that far. They'll panic and something else will happen first to prop up the feudalist move to eliminate populist politics - which any right-thinking half-sober (ok, half sober) person knows is the main objective - Thakisn is a side-show.

Good luck limp swingers..

Edited September 4, 2008 by thaigene2

[sriracha john]

Five Crucial Steps for Ending Crisis

By The Nation

Isn't this a tad unrealistic?

Please read the second line : "By The Nation". What do you expect ?

I remember the answer of TV adm. responding to critics questioning their impartiality because of their frequent use of The Nation articles : Because it's free !

You pay peanuts, you get monkey !

It's because they sympathise with the royalist, anti-one-person-one-vote position. Why else? - Good little syncophants to the Nation's aristocratic familes and their 'western educated' kids who work there - now how did daddy make the money to do that given his 37,688 baht per month salary - mai lue! (Then again could the Nation pablum be worse than silver spoon Nat and the Nat b+tch whatever her stupid name is)..

back to the farangs and their reason for being PAD chearleaders -- (at least the "business' farangs..he, he..'business' yeah right..real pros) all their little questionable companies are on the line....ya know. "Oy mate I'm a biznessman..Wanna set up a business? Wanna buy a house?" They're all previous time-share dealers from majorca named "Stevie, mate - OY- Got a spare fag, then?"..Or perhaps slightly more upmarket guest house operators in goofy little crap-holes that no one really wants to visit, dodgy teachers at schools that pay crap money but will pay more than two months salary for the work permit, etc..

Their views are so important...yet some seem to callt he shots here. Amu-Z-ing.

Are you ok?

[blaze]

Oh it's always the same old anti-thakisn brigade with the same old sky is falling 'vote buying' stories.

You know as well as anyone, the Isaan and Northern voters (the majority) would vote for these guys with or without ANY money. You just won't admit it publicly.

So a referendum? You'll take the same position as the Yellow-Peril guys in PAD (my name from now on - Copyright 2008 Thaigene2) where the position is that there can be no fair referendum because of vote buying right?

Ha, Ha, Ha.....Pathetic. You'll lose you know it. And so do the Sakdina/Feudals - and my guess is THEY won't let it get that far. They'll panic and something else will happen first to prop up the feudalist move to eliminate populist politics - which any right-thinking half-sober (ok, half sober) person knows is the main objective - Thakisn is a side-show.

Good luck limp swingers..

The extent that some will go to in order to convince themselves of the rightness of their positions includes not only the implication that anybody who votes different than they do (or would) is bought off- but also that anyone who posts different is bought off.

Edited September 4, 2008 by blaze

[way2muchcoffee]

Oh it's always the same old anti-thakisn brigade with the same old sky is falling 'vote buying' stories.

You know as well as anyone, the Isaan and Northern voters (the majority) would vote for these guys with or without ANY money. You just won't admit it publicly.

Then why spend the millions of baht, if not billions, buying votes if they were so secure in a victory?

Edited September 4, 2008 by way2muchcoffee

[animatic]

Sister of slain government supporter files complaint against PAD leaders

The sister of a government supporter killed during a clash with protesters early Tuesday filed a complaint with police against six leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy.

Chaba Singhaklangpol, 70, the sister of Narongsak Korbthaisong, filed the complaint at the Nangloeng police station.

She accused the six leaders of organizing protests, leading to the clash and death of her brother.

The six are Somsak Kosaisuk, Somkiart Pongpaiboon, Pipop Thongchai, Chamlong Srimuang, Sondhi Limthongkul and Suriyasai Katasila.

The Nation

Right on scedule.

I wonder which PPP MP's or their lawyers accompanied her to file the complaint.

What about her brother's personal responsability for going near the rally?

He went to PAD's site, not the other way round.

Poor lady is being manipulated in her grieving state. Disgusting!

No- what is disgusting is the use of her understandable grief and reaction (blame and the urge for retribution- justified or not, is as old as mankind) to further one's own political agenda. No matter which side is doing it. With NO evidence whatsoever, to state categorically- as fact- that the PPP has a hand in her decision- is disgusting.

Let's get this straight

I am not PAD, never been, and have only talked with a few supporters,

it's hard not to, there are a LOT of them. I see them and they all act civilly

and extra friendly, we just can't communicate well together.

But sure I know B.S. when I see it.

I SAID

"I wonder which PPP MP's or their lawyers accompanied her to file the complaint."

I didn't state that as fact. But you did your bit to twist it to YOUR agenda...

But it sure as hel_l looked like a logical conclusion.

Been here long enough to see recurring patterns.

If anyone has an agenda... well that's obvious.

PS moderators, he/she flamed me in no uncertain terms.