The three Bali bombers are spending their last hours of life in isolation lockdown in a remote Indonesian prison, with their executions to be meted out within days.

The deputy of Bali's regional parliament, Igk Adhiputra, confirmed the three Islamic militants responsible for the 2002 Bali bombings should be executed within the next two days.

"All preparations for execution are under the prosecutor's authority, but I admit that last night I got news that the three convicted, Amrozi and his friends, have been isolated," Adhiputra said.

"It means that according to the death execution procedure, the executions should be three days after they were (first) isolated early Friday."

Indonesian authorities have refused to give any details about the timing of the impending executions at Nusakambangan Island, off Central Java, other than that they will be held in "early November".

French news agency AFP quoted a prison source saying the three received formal notification of their executions at 9pm on Friday.

Death row prisoners receive notification 72 hours before they are executed, although there is no requirement to inform their lawyers or families.

One of their lawyers, Wirawan Adnan, has said he doesn't expect to find out about the executions until after they have been carried out.

Indonesia's Attorney-General's Office said news of the executions would be announced by the office in Jakarta, as the Bali prosecutors involved did not have authorisation to speak to the media.

"It is all from one door," he said.

Security has been upgraded across Indonesia in anticipation of the executions of Mukhlas, his brother Amrozi, and Imam Samudra, with fears their deaths could spark a backlash from a small minority of hardliners.

The three men have publicly threatened their executions will be avenged.

Indonesian authorities said extra police had been stationed around Australia's embassy in Jakarta, as well as the American and British missions.

Australian expat group ANZAS has cancelled its upcoming Melbourne Cup lunch in Jakarta for security considerations, its weekly newsletter says.

Police revealed on Friday they had found and defused two bombs in a Balinese Hindu migrant area on Sulawesi island on Wednesday and Thursday as tensions mount ahead of the imminent executions.

Meanwhile, the family of brothers Amrozi and Mukhlas say the executions are "good news" because they believe paradise awaits the pair after they die.

"The family don't feel burdened by the execution. In fact, we're happy because it means God and the prophet have given good news," their older brother Muhammed Chozin told AFP in the bombers' home village in East Java.

"If they die because they are standing up for the religion, they will be placed in paradise," he said.

But Imam Samudra's family in West Java said they would consider the executions as "an assassination not as a punishment" because they did not feel they were legitimate.

"Why we call it an assassination - if it was a punishment then all would run according to procedure," Samudra's brother Lulu Jamaludin told Indonesia's TV One network.

"Until now I haven't got the notification - it's only rumours."

He said many people had offered to donate their land for a burial site because they consider Samudra "a warrior", but added: "We haven't decided where to (bury him)".

AFP reported that leaflets promising revenge for the executions had been posted around Indonesia's second largest city Surabaya overnight.

"The blood of martyrs nourishes jihad (holy war)," one poster said. "One word for Amrozi's killers: retribution," another said.

The East Java city is about two hours from the birth village of Amrozi and his older brother Mukhlas.

It's a credit to the Indonesian government that it's going to happen.

I've heard many people say in the past that the bombers would get off with prison time and later walk free but this will help many of the victims families move on from this terrible crime.

Let them burn baby, burn!

Only 6 years from the event to the execution. Lightning fast compared to some places.

What worries me is how so many people don't view these people as mass murders, but "holy warriors". And it's not just coming from "hard-liners".

If violence does erupt as a result of the executions, the hard-liners will praise it, the moderates will be silent, and the "West" will most likely be the only ones to actually condemn it.

Unfortunately, I don't see things getting any better in the future. It took hundreds of years for the Christian nations to "settle down" and stop waging wars in the name of their God. How long will it take for the Islamic nations to do the same (especially considering that, technically, they believe in the same God).

Ah well, maybe tomorrow I'll wake up and everything will have miraculously changed, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

I understand they will be shot some time early November! http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7703775.stm

Way too good for them they should be hanged.

Only 6 years from the event to the execution. Lightning fast compared to some places.

What worries me is how so many people don't view these people as mass murders, but "holy warriors". And it's not just coming from "hard-liners".

If violence does erupt as a result of the executions, the hard-liners will praise it, the moderates will be silent, and the "West" will most likely be the only ones to actually condemn it.

Unfortunately, I don't see things getting any better in the future. It took hundreds of years for the Christian nations to "settle down" and stop waging wars in the name of their God. How long will it take for the Islamic nations to do the same (especially considering that, technically, they believe in the same God).

Ah well, maybe tomorrow I'll wake up and everything will have miraculously changed, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

It needs the will to kick out the Fundamentalists. Period. A separation of Church from State, the same thing that allowed Western society to make a quantum leap in education, science, medicine, etc. After the God-botherers were removed from our classrooms, laboratories, bedrooms, etc.

Early Islamic cultures were enlightened and ahead of other civilizations at the time, until they allowed the Fundies to lead them back to the caves.

I'm glad to see the Bali mass-murderers finally getting theirs. Rot in hel_l.

Be an interesting diaspora, there's nearly 4 million in Aceh alone.

You don't see any connection that the grass roots fundamentalists come from the poorest countries like Indonesia and Afghanistan?

Be an interesting diaspora, there's nearly 4 million in Aceh alone.

You don't see any connection that the grass roots fundamentalists come from the poorest countries like Indonesia and Afghanistan?

Except for the fact the the leadership of those fundamentalists (in Afghanistan at least), seem to come from places like Saudi Arabia, and many of their more radical members are Algerian, Chechnyan, Yemenis, etc.

There was a story about a year ago, about how Al Queda was having problems recruiting locals to fight their war in Afghanistan. They (Al Queda) had to increasingly turn to foreign fighters, which had it's own problems. It seems the Afghanis didn't mind getting blown up so much, as long as it was done by one of their own. But they started getting upset when they started getting blown up by foreigners (on either side of the "war").

I have a sneaking, unprovable (by me) theory that one of the reasons you don't see the same level of "fundamentalism" in the more "affluent" nations (like the UAE and Saudi Arabia), is that the fundamentalists are smart enough to not bite the hand that feeds them.

But, often enough, the cannon fodder for these fundamentalists do come from the poorest countries (and those with equally poor education systems). Much easier to teach an uneducated person what to do, rather than teach an educated person why he should do it.

I tend to suspect that a lot of terrorism is economic rather than religious.

People with jobs and mortgages and children at decent schools are less likely to sign up as suicide bombers in my opinion.

Sure, there are notable exceptions to this, the London tube bombers would be the most obvious; but the real nutters had to put a lot of work into recruiting these people where as simple peer pressure would do it in a less sophisticated society.

There are reports that the families are paid what to us would be a relatively small sum as compensation for the loss of the family member, once again a sign of economic need.

The West, and I'm not singling out the US here, has an enormous interest in keeping these countries poor and their governments corrupt to keep manufacturing and mining costs low.

The desperate make rich recruiting grounds for terrorism.

The West, and I'm not singling out the US here, has an enormous interest in keeping these countries poor and their governments corrupt to keep manufacturing and mining costs low.

Do you think that all the Western leaders get together and plan how to keep these countries down economically? I don't see how it could be done otherwise and I prefer not to believe it.

However, if they are capable of this, they should zap China and India before it is too late!

The trouble with execution, (disregarding at this point whether you have the right people in the first place ) is that you create martyrs and for every martyr, there is a banner and rallying call and for every banner man further recruits.

And the cycle goes on, ad infinitum.

Moss

You also create ghouls like ClaytonSeymour who is, apparently, going to crack a bottle of Champagne when they die

You also create ghouls like ClaytonSeymour who is, apparently, going to crack a bottle of Champagne when they die

That is one thing that really troubles me, I can understand the need for justice, and even the need for retribution in some cases, but to take such apparent glee in it is quite disturbing.

The West, and I'm not singling out the US here, has an enormous interest in keeping these countries poor and their governments corrupt to keep manufacturing and mining costs low.

Do you think that all the Western leaders get together and plan how to keep these countries down economically? I don't see how it could be done otherwise and I prefer not to believe it.

However, if they are capable of this, they should zap China and India before it is too late!

I believe that elected leaders have little say in Western economic policy. Their policies in this field are formulated by the people who fund their campaigns rather than those who vote them in.

It's already too late to zap China and India. I think the US disenchantment with Pakistan's efforts in the War on Terror will cause a major diplomatic shift towards India.

China is considered to be too deeply tainted with the Communist brush to be politically accepted in the US so I can see US/Indian relations improving dramatically in the next decade.

You may have to issue an apology for Wounded Knee though.

Are we allowed to continue discussing this subject here? This thread, unsurprisingly, has been closed.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Bali-Bombers...at-t213021.html

Bali Bombers' family denied final jail visit

November 04, 2008 12:00am 'THE Bali bombers' families have been denied a last visit, as the three men count down their final hours before execution.

Amrozi, his older brother Mukhlas and Imam Samudra faced being marched into a forest and shot dead before dawn.

After being turned away from the jail, Samudra's brother said the terrorists were being discriminated against, adding Australia's Bali Nine heroin smugglers should be executed first because their drugs could have killed more people.'

Source: News.com.au

Continue reading the full article here: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...183-661,00.html

we allow discussion but the pointless posting on the same old news articles will not be allowed as it was already made clear on the closed thread that news articles of merit should be pm'd to a mod on duty for them to update the closed thread so dont' try to carry on the closed thread here. This is it's own discussion not to be taken over.

The three Bali bombers are spending their last hours of life in isolation lockdown in a remote Indonesian prison, with their executions to be meted out within days.

The deputy of Bali's regional parliament, Igk Adhiputra, confirmed the three Islamic militants responsible for the 2002 Bali bombings should be executed within the next two days.

"All preparations for execution are under the prosecutor's authority, but I admit that last night I got news that the three convicted, Amrozi and his friends, have been isolated," Adhiputra said.

"It means that according to the death execution procedure, the executions should be three days after they were (first) isolated early Friday."

Indonesian authorities have refused to give any details about the timing of the impending executions at Nusakambangan Island, off Central Java, other than that they will be held in "early November".

French news agency AFP quoted a prison source saying the three received formal notification of their executions at 9pm on Friday.

Death row prisoners receive notification 72 hours before they are executed, although there is no requirement to inform their lawyers or families.

One of their lawyers, Wirawan Adnan, has said he doesn't expect to find out about the executions until after they have been carried out.

Indonesia's Attorney-General's Office said news of the executions would be announced by the office in Jakarta, as the Bali prosecutors involved did not have authorisation to speak to the media.

"It is all from one door," he said.

Security has been upgraded across Indonesia in anticipation of the executions of Mukhlas, his brother Amrozi, and Imam Samudra, with fears their deaths could spark a backlash from a small minority of hardliners.

The three men have publicly threatened their executions will be avenged.

Indonesian authorities said extra police had been stationed around Australia's embassy in Jakarta, as well as the American and British missions.

Australian expat group ANZAS has cancelled its upcoming Melbourne Cup lunch in Jakarta for security considerations, its weekly newsletter says.

Police revealed on Friday they had found and defused two bombs in a Balinese Hindu migrant area on Sulawesi island on Wednesday and Thursday as tensions mount ahead of the imminent executions.

Meanwhile, the family of brothers Amrozi and Mukhlas say the executions are "good news" because they believe paradise awaits the pair after they die.

"The family don't feel burdened by the execution. In fact, we're happy because it means God and the prophet have given good news," their older brother Muhammed Chozin told AFP in the bombers' home village in East Java.

"If they die because they are standing up for the religion, they will be placed in paradise," he said.

But Imam Samudra's family in West Java said they would consider the executions as "an assassination not as a punishment" because they did not feel they were legitimate.

"Why we call it an assassination - if it was a punishment then all would run according to procedure," Samudra's brother Lulu Jamaludin told Indonesia's TV One network.

"Until now I haven't got the notification - it's only rumours."

He said many people had offered to donate their land for a burial site because they consider Samudra "a warrior", but added: "We haven't decided where to (bury him)".

AFP reported that leaflets promising revenge for the executions had been posted around Indonesia's second largest city Surabaya overnight.

"The blood of martyrs nourishes jihad (holy war)," one poster said. "One word for Amrozi's killers: retribution," another said.

The East Java city is about two hours from the birth village of Amrozi and his older brother Mukhlas.

For the love of God.

No sooner does one set of mods close a thread asking the ghoulish Clayton Seymour NOT to post these incessant newslinks about, then another mod starts the same dam_n thing.

Do you guys not discuss this?

yeah yeah . . i know . warning issued blah blah blah. No discussion of mod issues etc etc.

Is it too much to ask you guys to discuss this in private so that there is a common stand. The thought of CS soiling his underpants and reaching for tissues as he posts the execution pictures is enough to turn my stomach.

Clayton,

I am fully in agreement that those resposible need to face the ultimate punishment. However, to sit back and rub one's hands in glee over champange and caviar is a little ott, don't you think?

I personally don't know any of the families and friends of the victims, however, I sure when the reports come out of the executions, those people will not generally be slapping there thighs and congratulating each other. They will more probably be taking quiet moments to themselves in reflection of what has been a terrible and traumatic episode of their lives.

I, for one, am surprised that the indo government has carried through with this - kudos to them for having the balls to face up to the underlying minority of islamic extremists.

You obviously feel very strongly about the subject, however, from only reading the thread through what has been deposited in the Thai Visa trash bin & not knowing if you have any friends or relatives involved, I would hazard to say you are really taking it too far.

Point of interest - I was in the bombed nightclub two weeks prior to the bombing. I felt un-easy, shook up, nervous etc for years after that.

Pls. let it go now that justice is being served.

Soundman.

Actully bendix, if you had read the date of crowboys post in bedlam, it was posted yesterday& the thread in news forum was closed today.

But hey, another chance to have a dig at mods right? It really is kind of funny how you take every oportunity to have a pot shot, considering you accuse clayton seymour of much the same obsessivness on his favourite subject.

Clayton,

I am fully in agreement that those resposible need to face the ultimate punishment. However, to sit back and rub one's hands in glee over champange and caviar is a little ott, don't you think?

I personally don't know any of the families and friends of the victims, however, I sure when the reports come out of the executions, those people will not generally be slapping there thighs and congratulating each other. They will more probably be taking quiet moments to themselves in reflection of what has been a terrible and traumatic episode of their lives.

I, for one, am surprised that the indo government has carried through with this - kudos to them for having the balls to face up to the underlying minority of islamic extremists.

You obviously feel very strongly about the subject, however, from only reading the thread through what has been deposited in the Thai Visa trash bin & not knowing if you have any friends or relatives involved, I would hazard to say you are really taking it too far.

Point of interest - I was in the bombed nightclub two weeks prior to the bombing. I felt un-easy, shook up, nervous etc for years after that.

Pls. let it go now that justice is being served.

Soundman.

No, I don't believe it's OTT. I think you'll find that the comments of myself & others, here on TV, appear rather tame when compared with those on other forums, media sources etc.

Whilst I agree that many of the victims will take the time to have a quiet moment - this wont be the case for all. I've already read reports of those involved, declaring their intention to have a drink, once the executions are carried out. Unlike Bendix's friend, I certainly expect that some of those who were injured in the attacks will indeed celebrate. I guess it depends on the nature of the individual(s) concerned.

Unlike yourself, I wont offer any congratulations whatsoever to the Indonesian authorities. In many other muslim countries, rightly, or wrongly, the Bali bombers case would have been expedited & whilst it may have been shorter, the time in prison would have been much harder than appears to be the case here. Only a few weeks ago, we see them attending the prison open day , laughing & joking with their captors, holding court with the press & no apparent attempt to silence the hatred spewing from their mouths. On top of this, Abu Bakar Bashir walks free & Jemaah Islamiyah is allowed to run approximately forty schools - I wont give kudos for that.

I haven't been to the Sari nightclub, but, I was in Luxor, Egypt, at the time of the Luxor massacre, I've been on countless occasions since & at no point have I felt the same feelings which you express, as I said earlier, it depends on the individual.

I'm actually quite a vengeful person, was & still am a poor sportsman - I'm one of the worst losers you could wish to meet, so, it's actually quite normal for me to take satisfaction from my opponents & in this case, my enemies imminent demise.

As I think I stated in the closed thread, for whatever reason, here on TV, there seems to be a strong anti-execution sentiment. Those who share my views often keep their thoughts private & each has their own reason for this. I'm not like that - I'll speak my mind irrespective of the situation & those present, if I upset people, that's their problem.

Justice has yet to be served, I wait, the champagne remains on ice, I certainly hope that when I finally crack it open, it leaves a much better aftertaste than this whole chapter.

here on TV, there seems to be a strong anti-execution sentiment.

That isn't the impression I get, I would say that the majority are for executing these <deleted>..... however, there are very few, if not only one, who wants to wave a flag and have a party when it has happened, or while it's happening, sick. To take pleasure in another persons death, no matter who they are or what they have done, makes you no better than them.

To take pleasure in another persons death, no matter who they are or what they have done, makes you no better than them.

On that we'll have to disagree.

Do you guys not discuss this?

Many of us post similar or related threads in Bedlam that have already been posted elsewhere, because on occasion you can get different and opposing view points without the potless and oft pointless one word response that has nothing to contribute to any reasonable argument.

Moss

Seriously, this matter of who posted what and when, should go to PM.

As for the topic at hand, while I support the execution of these mass murderers, once it's done I will have (small) feeling of satisfaction, but won't celebrate in any fashion.

Better to get it done and over with, so people can forget them, rather than have them sitting in prison stirring up more trouble for years and years, until such time as they walk free (or get busted out), and become heroes again.

These people were responsible for the deaths of over 200 people. Not just Australians, not that the nationality matters. This was cold-blooded, pre-meditated murder on a mass scale. These people actually think it was justified (by their religion) and it seems their only regret is that more didn't die.

These people will never be "rehabilitated", it's unlikely they will ever repent, or show remorse for their victims. It is likely that, given the opportunity, they would do the same (or even worse) in the future. As long as they are alive, they will be icons for their cause. Dead, they will be martyrs for a while, then forgotten by all but a few family members, and the families of their victims. At least they will no longer be able to inspire and motivate future would-be mass murderers.

Crowboy may have posted a day earlier, but if the policy was implemented evenly, this thread would have been closed the moment he posted another newslink. Instead, it seems you are happy to have him laugh in your face.

I think Moss's post summed it up bendix. Topics that'll get closed in a heartbeat in the open forum from the idiotic responses and pointless, half baked, off topic conjecture they receive, can remain open and debateable/discussable for a lot longer in a private forum.

Oh right . . . well, I look forward to reading more of the ghoulish freak's posts, not for the links - they are available anywhere - but for his orgasmic gushings and popping of (what?) as the bombers are put to death.

Seeing as how the rules are more relaxed here, I assume I can use the word orgasmic without it being deleted?

Actually, Clayton Seymour is NOT welcome to post his incessant news articles in this thread.

Bedlam does have more relaxed rules, I agree, but that does not give permission to flout those rules.

Hope that is clear.

But I can use the word 'orgasm', right?

But I can use the word 'orgasm', right?

Persistent little bugger aren't you Bendix?