Visa For Ireland.

[Irish]

Hi all. A similar question to Dood but from a different perspective. I have a Thai fiancee that wants to visit me in Dublin in June this year.

She has a good job working in a hospital and intends to return home hopefully after a 3 month visit here.

Does anybody have any experience of a Thai person getting a visa for Ireland?

Looking at other posts are the usual criteria, a good job for her to go back to? Does it matter if she says she is my fiancee? We are worried that if they know that we intend to marry then they may not let her in.

I am earning decent money so she will not be sponging off the state.

Thanks people.

[the scouser]

Irish,

I have no knowledge of Irish immigration law but presume it is broadly similar to that of the UK.

Working on that assumption then she would have to show that she has a good reason to return to Thailand at the end of her holiday. She should provide a letter from her employer which states for how long she's worked there, her salary and when she's expected to return to work. Evidence of both your and her financial standing should be submitted too. Whether or not you are currently engaged the danger is always going to be that the visa officer thinks that you may marry in Ireland. However, I would not mention that you are currently engaged unless asked.

The application should be made at the Irish consulate for which there is a link in the thread pinned at the top of this sub-forum.

Cheers,

Scouse.

[dubstar]

I don't know about a visitor visa but, as an Irish national, once you are married you will have no problems taking your wife to Ireland if all is above aboard.

dubstar

[Irish]

Thanks Scouser for the speedy reply.

I should have mentioned she has already gone to Bangkok to the Irish consulate to apply. She was going down the road of saying we were "Really good friends" and the officer copped on and told her to be open and honest. She then revealed we were engaged.

Do you think her initial economy of the truth will go against her?

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Thanks and "COME ON THE POOL."

[Irish]

Oops, almost didn't see your reply Dubstar. Thank you also for the reply.

[the scouser]

Do you think her initial economy of the truth will go against her?

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I don't think it will be the deciding factor. From what you've said your g/f didn't lie as such and told the truth when asked. In relation to British immigration law there is no duty of candour; i.e. you don't have to mention a given fact unless you are asked. Don't know if the Irish have similar, though.

And fingers crossed for tomorrow night

Scouse.

[colmx]

Unfortunately the Irish Visa system is far less democratic and random than even the UK system.

And the Thai nationals who have come here in the past have messed thing up for the rest of us, by not keeping within the boundary of their visas, hence Thai applicants are about as welcome as Nigerians among the Dept of immigration here

Basically if it is her first application the Bkk Consulate will forward it to the Embassy in KL.

The KL embassy will then send it to the Dept of Immigration, who will in turn forward it to the dept of justice (in)equality and law reform... there some middle aged menopausal Biddy will decide on the application depending on whether she could be arsed reading half the supporting documentation or not.

Once she has refused they tell your fiance about the refusal and will look for more paperwork to be submitted. This first hurdle will take around 3 months

After you appeal the decision they will probably knock you again. (1 more month)

You will then need to write personally to the Minister Of Justice)or have your TD do it for you). Finally the application will be considered on its merits and the visa may or may not be issued.

The Crux of the problem is that according to DOJ guideleines the decision to grant the visa is totally down to the Visa officers "opinion".

So the easiest way is to use your local Fianna Fail TD (irish equivalent of MP) to intervene on your behalf.... before the visa application leaves KL

Sorry to be so negative, but my experience of the DOJ has been this way.

(and no i still did not get a vias for my Thai friend - despite the intervention of the TD and a Senator)... they still decided in their "opioion" that my feiend had insufficient reasons to return to thailand at the end of their visa...

Of course she could be lucky and it may be granted within 5 days by the embassy in KL... depends once again on how generous the visa officer is feeling in KL!

Yes its completely random and yes its completely unfair

Do you think her initial economy of the truth will go against her?

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I don't think it will be the deciding factor. From what you've said your g/f didn't lie as such and told the truth when asked. In relation to British immigration law there is no duty of candour; i.e. you don't have to mention a given fact unless you are asked. Don't know if the Irish have similar, though.

And fingers crossed for tomorrow night

Scouse.

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[diamond]

Judging from previous posts i seem to be one of the lucky ones.

I met my girlfiend in Thailand , pretty typical circumstances i guess

on holidays and having a great time. Anyway left Thailand and headed

back to Ireland to earn money all the while keeping in contact with the

Lady. She managed to get a three month visa for Ireland without too !!

much hassle.

Along with her Visa application i submitted:

My financial details _ ie bank statements, Property ownership, details

of earnings. i.e if you have your own place you probably will be looked on

more favourably (just my opionion)

Photocopy of all the pages of my passport.

Evidence of correspondance between you and her ie. phone bills and

emails etc.

a letter undertaking to sponsor her financially during her stay in ireland

and provide her with accomadation. ie. emphasis on the fact that she will

not be living off the state.

This worked for us and she had a great time over here. Best of luck mate

i hope she likes the guiness.

P.S. My girlfiend did (does) not have a good job . Be careful mate, Just don't say you met

down the boozer!!

[GU22]

Be careful mate, Just don't say you met

down the boozer!!

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Why? I know nothing about Irish visas, but this would not be held against her at the British Embassy. But being caught in a lie is 99% guaranteed to mean the visa being refused.

[Irish]

Update and maybe of interest to Tripperj.

My fiancee was refused her visa and we now plan to appeal. Of the 21 reasons cited on the refusal form these 3 are ticked:

1. Obligation to return to home country not shown e.g. no social, economic or professional ties in home country.

2. Observe the conditions of the visa, e.g. the applicant may overstay following his/her proposed visit, or work illegally in the state, or branch into the common travel area.

3. Relationship History – Have not established a prior existing relationship.

We are a bit surprised at the first as she does have a decent job and did furnish a letter from her hospital (employer) of her intention to return after her holiday.

On the third point we can only assume that knowing each other less than 1 year at time of first application is not long enough.

All in all it seems they feel that she will either abscond or work illegally.

[colmx]

Hi Irish

The first 2 reasons as Cited below were the same resons the DOJ used to refuse a visa for my Thai BF

Unfortunately they also upheld these 2 reasosn at the subsequent appeal

Best of luck to you in your appeal

I suggest you try to get your local FF TD to intervene on your behalf before the appeal

My BF will be applying agian in the next 2 weeks, this time i hope we will have sufficient obligations to return to thailand included on the application

Please update here as and when you hear more

Thanks!

Update and maybe of interest to Tripperj.

1. Obligation to return to home country not shown e.g. no social, economic or professional ties in home country. 

2. Observe the conditions of the visa, e.g. the applicant may overstay following his/her proposed visit, or work illegally in the state, or branch into the common travel area. 

[tripperj]

Update and maybe of interest to Tripperj.

My fiancee was refused her visa and we now plan to appeal.  Of the 21 reasons cited on the refusal form these 3 are ticked:

1. Obligation to return to home country not shown e.g. no social, economic or professional ties in home country. 

2. Observe the conditions of the visa, e.g. the applicant may overstay following his/her proposed visit, or work illegally in the state, or branch into the common travel area. 

3. Relationship History – Have not established a prior existing relationship.

We are a bit surprised at the first as she does have a decent job and did furnish a letter from her hospital (employer) of her intention to return after her holiday. 

On the third point we can only assume that knowing each other less than 1 year at time of first application is not long enough. 

All in all it seems they feel that she will either abscond or work illegally.

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Ah crap. Sorry to hear this mate. Why do so many people stand in the way of love.

[The_Other_Mac]

Update and maybe of interest to Tripperj.

My fiancee was refused her visa and we now plan to appeal.  Of the 21 reasons cited on the refusal form these 3 are ticked:

1. Obligation to return to home country not shown e.g. no social, economic or professional ties in home country. 

2. Observe the conditions of the visa, e.g. the applicant may overstay following his/her proposed visit, or work illegally in the state, or branch into the common travel area. 

3. Relationship History – Have not established a prior existing relationship.

We are a bit surprised at the first as she does have a decent job and did furnish a letter from her hospital (employer) of her intention to return after her holiday. 

On the third point we can only assume that knowing each other less than 1 year at time of first application is not long enough. 

All in all it seems they feel that she will either abscond or work illegally.

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What exactly does she do at the hospital? Do you realise that nurses are INVITED to immigrate? (due to a severe shortage). Might be easier than a tourist visa...

[mr_rossworth]

Judging from previous posts i seem to be one of the lucky ones.

I met my girlfiend in Thailand , pretty typical circumstances i guess

on holidays and having a great time. Anyway left Thailand and headed

back to Ireland to earn money all the while keeping in contact with the

Lady. She managed to get a three month visa for Ireland without too !!

much hassle.

Along with her Visa application i submitted:

My financial details _ ie bank statements, Property ownership, details

of earnings. i.e if you have your own place you probably will be looked on

more favourably (just my opionion)

Photocopy of all the pages of my passport.

Evidence of correspondance between you and her ie. phone bills and

emails etc. 

a letter undertaking to sponsor her financially during her stay in ireland

and provide her with accomadation. ie. emphasis on the fact that she will

not be living off the state.

This worked for us and she had a great time over here.  Best of luck mate

i hope she likes the guiness.

P.S.  My girlfiend did (does) not have a good job . Be careful mate, Just don't say you met

down the boozer!!

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Right, this is offputting, so I need to get all this info for her for a two week stay?

Now, all the info above, does that need to be submitted to the irish depatment of foreign affairs or does it need to be sent off to thailand? is there any cost involved in all this? if so what and how much? can anyone help?

Thanks

RG

[Rinrada]

Origional Visa for my mates(hes gone) wife to visit Ireland (Khmer)took approx 3-4 years and her Irish Passport finally arrived last year and she is now in Dublin (total time since their wedding...O.. around 12 years or so)...takes time..

Had to deal with Irish Consuls in Bangers,K.L.Singapore,China and for some reason on one occasion India ...&lt;deleted&gt; as well as Consul General/Assistant P.M in Dublin......begorrah... So you should now by the looks of it have an easier time..

SO...

Along with her Visa application plus all your info and anything else you can think of...Send it to your GF............+ FEE.......

She can then submit everything to......

Diplomatic and Consular Information for Thailand

HONORARY CONSUL

Address:

12th Floor, TISCO Tower

48/20 North Sathorn Road

Bangrak

Bangkok 10500

Telephone: [66] 2 638 0303

Fax: [66] 2 638 0304

Email: [email protected]

Position Name Honorary Consul Peter Gary Biesty

Diplomatic Representation for Thailand is handled by the Embassy in Malaysia

Diplomatic and Consular Information for Malaysia

EMBASSY Address:

Embassy of Ireland

The Amp Walk

218 Jalan Ampang

50450 Kuala Lumpur

Telephone: +60-3-2161-2963

Fax: +60-3-2161-3427

Email: [email protected]

Position Name Ambassador His Excellency Dan Mulhall

Third Secretary Micheál Smith

MISSION Address: Commercial Section

Embassy of Ireland

The Amp Walk

218 Jalan Ampang

50450 Kuala Lumpur

Telephone: +60 3 2164 0618

Fax: +60 3 2164 0619

Email: [email protected]

Website: http://www.enterprise-ireland.com

Position Name Counsellor Terry McParland

Good Luck..

[mr_rossworth]

Origional Visa for my mates(hes gone) wife to visit Ireland (Khmer)took approx 3-4 years and her Irish Passport finally arrived last year and she is now in Dublin  (total time since their wedding...O.. around 12 years or so)...takes time..

Had to deal with Irish Consuls in Bangers,K.L.Singapore,China and for some reason on one occasion India ...&lt;deleted&gt; as well as Consul General/Assistant P.M in Dublin......begorrah... So you should now by the looks of it have an easier time..

SO...

Along with her Visa application plus all your info and anything else you can think of...Send it to your GF............+ FEE.......

She can then submit everything to......

Diplomatic and Consular Information for Thailand

HONORARY CONSUL 

Address: 

12th Floor, TISCO Tower 

48/20 North Sathorn Road

Bangrak

Bangkok 10500

Telephone: [66] 2 638 0303

Fax: [66] 2 638 0304

Email: [email protected]

Position Name Honorary Consul Peter Gary Biesty 

Diplomatic Representation for Thailand is handled by the Embassy in Malaysia

Diplomatic and Consular Information for Malaysia

EMBASSY  Address: 

Embassy of Ireland 

The Amp Walk

218 Jalan Ampang

50450 Kuala Lumpur

Telephone: +60-3-2161-2963

Fax: +60-3-2161-3427

Email: [email protected]

Position Name Ambassador His Excellency Dan Mulhall 

Third Secretary Micheál Smith 

MISSION  Address:  Commercial Section 

Embassy of Ireland

The Amp Walk

218 Jalan Ampang

50450 Kuala Lumpur

Telephone: +60 3 2164 0618

Fax: +60 3 2164 0619

Email: [email protected]

Website: http://www.enterprise-ireland.com

Position Name Counsellor Terry McParland

Good Luck..

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Thank you very much for all the info, one thing... have you ever heard of having to deposit 30,000 baht in the person your bringing over's account? does this sound legitimate? are there any other costs like this involved? or is it all just paperwork?

[Rinrada]

I have known some Thai ladies helping each other out by pulling their dosh ...up to in one case Bt 1,000,000.and having them audited with letter of confirmation of savings and assets from their local friendly Bank manager....TIT

They all got their tourist Visas.