Should I Call This Racism

[bonobo]

I have deleted posts for, well, let's see: racism, being inflammatory, misogyny, and blatant discriminatory comments based on class, race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation.

More such posts will result in warnings and/or closing this thread.

[Jingthing]

I prefer an Asian woman to a White one, I married a Thai. Is that "racist" no, one has discriminated against

the White in favour of the Thai, and there is nothing wrong with that.

The Jews do not marry generally outside of their race, there are other cases bases on race and or religion

in other countries.

Update. You are wrong. The Jews DO marry outside their religion. In America, about half of all marriages of Jews are "outside the faith." If you are going to make generalizations about groups, please make accurate ones. Also, Jews are NOT a race.

BTW, personally I don't think your preference for an Asian woman is racist. Even if it is, it is harmless, or perhaps even helpful to racial harmony ...

Edited September 22, 2009 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Isn't this entire thread just about a boast by the OP that he can AFFORD a 45 million baht pile of sticks?!?

If I could, and some bunch of snobs didn't want my moolah, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

[doggie888888]

I prefer not to live in a block where it is likely for me to bump into a bargirl with tits akimbo as she is leaving after conducting her business, or an obnoxious drunk at 7am, or a sexpat who lives here only 3 months of the year and who could not care less about upkeep whilst he is not around or a moronic lout who thinks it's OK to swear around kids and perhaps even leer at one...I am sure it does not make me racist.

However, if I lump all foreigners as exhibiting above unsavoury (to me) characteristics and then seek to exclude them...that's makes me racist for the sweeping generalisation.

One would think enough education might make the so-called high society less prone to stereotyping others, but apparently their experience of foreigners in Thailand has been limited to some of those found in Nana, Patpong and Pattaya. It does not make it right but in some ways, I can see where they are coming from.

[Hawkup2000]

Whenever I hear stories of hiso Thais being racist, it is usually driven more by the sense of hurt felt by the complainant that some of those pesky Thai people are, in fact, rich and successful, and that the big white guys who hitherto had thought themselves masters of their new universe were not that at all, contrary to what Lek in Soi Cowboy told them.

Nothing in this thread convinces me otherwise.

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I rarely agree with you, but this post is spot on in my opinion.

[harleyclarkey]

I have deleted posts for, well, let's see: racism, being inflammatory, misogyny, and blatant discriminatory comments based on class, race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation.

More such posts will result in warnings and/or closing this thread.

Geez Bon...they are the good ones!!

[harleyclarkey]

I prefer an Asian woman to a White one, I married a Thai. Is that "racist" no, one has discriminated against

the White in favour of the Thai, and there is nothing wrong with that.

The Jews do not marry generally outside of their race, there are other cases bases on race and or religion

in other countries.

I happened to have grown up with friends of other religions....Jewish and Protestant.

A lot, at a guess about half, married outside their religion and have done very well. I guess it depends on the parents faith being Orthodox or Progressive.

It is absolutely NOT racist to have a preference for a skin colour. This is often linked to a culture, area, etc that will also appeal to you.

[ferd54]

...Pakkret ...Chappaya river....interresting... resraurant located in a beautifill park... privat....appartement ....informatio .... appartment... runned into the building...appartmentt...appartment .... realy Hi-So Thais ... appartments .... deliberatly ... realy... emphazise ... schocked

It is my understanding that one must pass a spelling test to gain residency.

[Naam]

I prefer not to live in a block where it is likely for me to bump into a bargirl with tits akimbo as she is leaving after conducting her business, or an obnoxious drunk at 7am, or a sexpat who lives here only 3 months of the year and who could not care less about upkeep whilst he is not around or a moronic lout who thinks it's OK to swear around kids and perhaps even leer at one...I am sure it does not make me racist.

However, if I lump all foreigners as exhibiting above unsavoury (to me) characteristics and then seek to exclude them... that's makes me racist for the sweeping generalisation.

i vehemently disagree and say it is your prerogative to live according to your preferences.

[Naam]

...Pakkret ...Chappaya river....interresting... resraurant located in a beautifill park... privat....appartement ....informatio .... appartment... runned into the building...appartmentt...appartment .... realy Hi-So Thais ... appartments .... deliberatly ... realy... emphazise ... schocked

It is my understanding that one must pass a spelling test to gain residency.

unfair statement. not all of us are native english speakers. HenryAlleman is not and neither am i. and as far as spelling by "natives" in this forum is concerned...

[henryalleman]

Isn't this entire thread just about a boast by the OP that he can AFFORD a 45 million baht pile of sticks?!?

If I could, and some bunch of snobs didn't want my moolah, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

No Jingthing , I CAN'T AFFORD a 45 million appartment. But I wrote that was the most expensive one, there where appartment of 15 million Baht also. And again Sir I can't afford them neighter.

And I will anticipate your next remark who probably will be "What the <deleted>... did you do there if you can't afford it. Just out of curiuosity Sir, and they could'nt know I could'nt afford it.

I was just surprised, because its was the first time in 33 years visiting and living in Thailand that I had such experience, that's all.

So I advise you to be more carefull in the future to comment people and presumed intentions if you don't know them at all.

[Soutpeel]

And I will anticipate your next remark who probably will be "What the <deleted>... did you do there if you can't afford it. Just out of curiuosity Sir, and they could'nt know I could'nt afford it.

The give away was probably turning up to view the property in a string vest/football shirt, shorts and a pair of flip flops..

[doggie888888]

I prefer not to live in a block where it is likely for me to bump into a bargirl with tits akimbo as she is leaving after conducting her business, or an obnoxious drunk at 7am, or a sexpat who lives here only 3 months of the year and who could not care less about upkeep whilst he is not around or a moronic lout who thinks it's OK to swear around kids and perhaps even leer at one...I am sure it does not make me racist.

However, if I lump all foreigners as exhibiting above unsavoury (to me) characteristics and then seek to exclude them... that's makes me racist for the sweeping generalisation.

i vehemently disagree and say it is your prerogative to live according to your preferences.

Yes, it is my prerogative to live according to my preferences. But I don't think it is my right to exclude anyone from my block/neighbourhood based on my own private prejudice, which in turn might be based on stereotyping. Take it to the extreme: I may avoid black/white/latino/asian areas but I cannot and should not be able to exclude them from my block because of some prejudice I have against some racial group. Anyway, not all farangs in Thailand are drunks, pedophiles, louts, hooligans and sexpats, are they? I may choose to avoid some farangs in Thailand but that is very different to actively seeking to exclude/expel/remove them as neighbours simply because of some notion I have based on that drunken spree on Walking Street last night.

[henryalleman]

And I will anticipate your next remark who probably will be "What the <deleted>... did you do there if you can't afford it. Just out of curiuosity Sir, and they could'nt know I could'nt afford it.

The give away was probably turning up to view the property in a string vest/football shirt, shorts and a pair of flip flops..

My dear Soutpeel I never wear flip flops, football shirts, shorts or string vests, I don't wear them back home so why I should wear them overhere.

And I don't drive an motorcycle, pick or Toyota Vios

BTW what is a string vest?

[ferd54]

...Pakkret ...Chappaya river....interresting... resraurant located in a beautifill park... privat....appartement ....informatio .... appartment... runned into the building...appartmentt...appartment .... realy Hi-So Thais ... appartments .... deliberatly ... realy... emphazise ... schocked

It is my understanding that one must pass a spelling test to gain residency.

unfair statement. not all of us are native english speakers. HenryAlleman is not and neither am i. and as far as spelling by "natives" in this forum is concerned...

You're right. That was unfair. I am sorry.

[LivinLOS]

Just yesterday there was a show on TV with a very rich Tomboy (40-something) in her palatial home with try-too-hard-to-look-like-Dynasty furnishings showing round the reporter while smooching her actress girlfriend. The girlfriend was absolutely stunning and no doubt not poor herself, but it was plainly obvious that because of this Tomboy's inherited wealth the actress was suddenly able to become lesbian for a while.

I do not believe anyone would or could become gay just because they wanted to be with a wealthy lover. this actress must already have some gay feelings before she met the tomboy. if she was that sexy then she could easily meet a wealthy bloke.

I want an Aston Martin but I would never take it from behind just so I could have one. would any of you lot? I doubt it, and if you did then you must already have gay feelings.

What so every girl on a gogo lesbian show is really a lesbian ??

What are the odds..

I remember a funny Lois Theroux on the porn biz where one of the straight porn actors did gay porn for the money.. Would need to be a REAL lot of money !

[LivinLOS]

Security often overstep the mark and attempt to show off their perceived power at any opportunity.

I suggest whistles..

[LivinLOS]

I have deleted posts for, well, let's see: racism, being inflammatory, misogyny, and blatant discriminatory comments based on class, race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation.

More such posts will result in warnings and/or closing this thread.

Busy thread.. Did we forget anything ?

[mahtin]

racism, being inflammatory, misogyny, and blatant discriminatory comments based on class, race, ethnicity, and sexual orientation.

Bring me by a circuitous route blindfold, plonk me down, and I know exactly where I am.

Have a nice day.

[LivinLOS]

And I will anticipate your next remark who probably will be "What the <deleted>... did you do there if you can't afford it. Just out of curiuosity Sir, and they could'nt know I could'nt afford it.

The give away was probably turning up to view the property in a string vest/football shirt, shorts and a pair of flip flops..

While it may be racist or more likely it may be classist or eliteist or similar.. Is it not the buildings owners (or owners association) right to choose who he sells to and at what price ??

Do western country clubs not need to be forwarded and seconded to gain memberships.. Do these things not happen in the most exclusive apartments in NYC etc ??

For once I am on the side that its thier ball and they can take it home with them if they dont want to play.

[Crushdepth]

Yesterday afternoon I was making a small tour around Pakkret folowing the banks of the Chappaya river. I saw an billboard about Suan Thip restaurant. Always interresting to discover new places I decided to take a look, and indeed it was a very nice resraurant located in a beautifill park with several inner and open air privat rooms and dinner was cooked on the table. Its seems rather exclusive.

I've been to Suan Thip many times and its not 'exclusive' nor are the staff there racist in my experience. It's not expensive and since the food and surroundings are very nice, its well worth the money.

As for the condo, I don't know about that. But with million dollar price tags it is quite likely that their security won't let *anyone* wander around inside - foreign or not - because its not a public space. Maybe the guard just had limited English or poor choice of words? Or both?

[LivinLOS]

Yes, it is my prerogative to live according to my preferences. But I don't think it is my right to exclude anyone from my block/neighbourhood based on my own private prejudice, which in turn might be based on stereotyping. Take it to the extreme: I may avoid black/white/latino/asian areas but I cannot and should not be able to exclude them from my block because of some prejudice I have against some racial group.

No because those are public places.. However if you owned the entire estate and it wasnt public.. You can do what you like on your property, including choose who you sell it to.

[aussiejosh]

Ok. I'd like to throw my hat in about High-so Thai crowd... I went to Bangkok Patana School and there are so many high so kids in there, every Thai student had an uncle father grandfather who was someone and could easily have you 'killed' it seemed. The ones who are usually actually in these positions tended to talk about it less than those who might have at one stage had some power but now do not. I had the grandson of ex primeminister Wongchiowit(60s I think)? A bunch of other claims at the time I just ignored and huge out with mainly British and Dutch students... But I have heard and seen very strange things with the people going out...

I remember I was once out with these high so kids and some other guys in our year group celebrating our graduation and we were at a bar called TiPs in RCA, one of the bouncers accussed one of these thai high so kids of stealing a bottle which he being who he was went off the deep end and started abusing the staff with a bunch of "do you know who i am?"'s... They didn't and threw him out. The club was closed the next day... Now there is a random Thai club there after 5or6 months of emptiness... I also heard the bouncer was killed but that was just a rumor I heard through the grape vine.

I have another friend here, he is 18, this year he has crashed a fairlady 350z, a done up to the tits supra (Really well done up), his dads discovery and he is getting an Evo 10 next month to replace his new caymen his dad bought him... As to what a previous poster was saying about them being fake, I feel this is true in this sense with this kid. He crashes cars all the time, seems to be friends, gambles stupid amounts of money on obvious losing bets... but I know in the end, well I feel just from looking at hime and hanging out with him he is never real with any of us, I feel like he thinks we are below him (which yes he probably does) and I feel when I am around him this is a person I could borrow millions of baht off without him thinking twice, but the second I can't pay him back I know he would have no hesitation killing me. Someone who doesn't care about his money, but cares more about his money than he does others. Scary dude.

There as a kid Champ my friends hung out with, every time i went with them we would be in route without ID checks, without paying a cent and in the VIP section with bottles of wiskey... inexplicably too as I didn't know why my dutch friends were going with this random guy at first. I met his body guard and ended up finding out his father was some financial adviser that Thaksin had used at some point(obviously didn't get screwed by him). I didn't feel comfortable hanging out with them however and only did it on a few occasions. I could never understand why this high so guy was paying for everything and I had never even really had a chance to talk to him.. Made me terribly uncomfortable.

I have a lot of stories from hanging out with these guys, like if you have ever wanted to know what it is like to buy an expensive car with the purpose of having fun no matter the expense to others and safety than these guys are the people you want to seek out. Unfortunately though they keep to themselves after high school so its kind of hard to meet them when they are adults.

On the other hand there are complete opposites of this story... I joined a local paintball team here recently and met really really nice guys, but due to the cost of the sport they are naturally high so. I joined a team here and started getting more involved in a kind of family environment i guess you'd call it. I was invited to prayers before games, and given lifts to and from home. When I am sick I get phone calls from all of them asking how I am and if they can help at all its really great.

About 2 months ago I was invited to the funeral of one of my team mates grand mother... This is my first actual in depth experience in a large crowd of Thai high-so. There were 4 motorcades there, and HRH the crown princess attended and had words with the family. I couldn't believe I was sitting less than 5 feet away from her and listening to her speak to my friends family. It was an awesome and insightful experience (if you can call a funeral that).

Although I have to admit I made a big no no, when I Went up to pay my respects to his grandmother I accidentally walked on the red carpet without noticing, my friend quickly corrected me.

It's really a mixed bag like with any demographic, in the end they are just people. If you can make them interested in you perhaps they will pay attention to you, but why bother? You will experience things they won't even imagine, just as they will do the same.

[Heng]

An awful lot of folks are about as good at generalizing as the average local market vendor, or security guard.

Edited September 23, 2009 by Heng

[DonJuanDemarco]

good post aussiejoe. what i really hate about thaivisa is how so many people are just reciting stuff they read on the board and ideas already expressed on the board. rarely does someone actually goes into detail of their actual experiences.

[MrHammer]

good post aussiejoe. what i really hate about thaivisa is how so many people are just reciting stuff they read on the board and ideas already expressed on the board. rarely does someone actually goes into detail of their actual experiences.

Could it be because most people don't have any actual experience with REAL hi-so, just as they wouldn't have back home. Seems like everyone with a university education or an office job is hi-so.

As for Aussiejoe's post, I grew up around hi-so kids as well (in my country), and they were a bunch of spoilt, ill behaving brats that acted exactly the same (execpt for the RUMORED killings).

[hoihoihoi]

They didnt want your whiney heiny there Dude

Get over it.

[OxfordWill]

the policy of the owner may be to exclude certain people but it is not logical to extrapolate from this that every resident in the building chose to live there because of this policy.

[DonJuanDemarco]

As for Aussiejoe's post, I grew up around hi-so kids as well (in my country), and they were a bunch of spoilt, ill behaving brats that acted exactly the same (execpt for the RUMORED killings).

was your dad the butler? did they pay you to eat bugs?

[brahmburgers]

first off, thanks Aussiejosh for the in-depth view.

One phrase comes thru loud and clear: spoilt brats. Their parents deserved to be spanked more than the kids, for being such delinquent influences.

I rent places out, where I reside in Thailand. I rent to farang. It's not that I'm actively opposed to renting to Thai, it's just that 100% of inquiries are farang, though most of them have a Thai partner as part of the package. Ironically, my new live-in partner, a hill tribe young lady, advises me not to rent to Thais, should the option present itself. Am not sure why, but I would venture that Thais in general just have different expectations of what a rental space is about (kitchen out-back, frying hot peppers, all camped in one room with TV soaps blaring for 17 hrs/day, etc).

I rarely interact with hi-so Thais, but the few times I've noticed how put-on charming they try to be, whereas their real thoughts are not well disguised. One way to tell is by observing them when they're not fully 'on' with their act, like when they look away or discuss something with one of their peers (with a normal tone of voice and relaxed face) and then they turn and say something to you (with affected smile and animated face and fake enthusiasm). Altogether, hi-so appear to spend their waking hours pretending to be something/someone, rather than being natural & truthful. I wonder if they could really be natural and truthful, even if they chose to be that way just for 20 minutes.

Edited September 27, 2009 by brahmburgers